Juwan Morgan's climb up the all-time scoring record list

[ray]

I've never started a topic before, but with Juwan being the workhorse and leader he is, I thought this would be both fun and deserving to keep track of.

Juwan is currently slotted between Jared Jeffries and Butch Joyner at number 51 on IU's all-time career scoring leaders with 1,020 points.  

He needs 11 points to move ahead of Butch Joyner and reach the top 50.  

As we all know Juwan Morgan is far from average, but with 20 games remaining and a current average of 17ppg, he could reach the top 25 before the Big Ten Tournament begins (if his scoring remains average).  This would put him at 1,360 career points, passing Uwe Blab by 13 points to become the 25th all-time scorer.  An additional 6 points in the Big Ten Tournament would move him into 24th, surpassing Andrae Patterson.

With a little post-season success for IU (and if Juwan can maintain his current average), he could "easily" find himself in the top 20.

Now, before anyone comes along and says, "Yeah, but there's no way he maintains that kind of average", please just let this play out.  I, for one, have nothing but love and respect for Juwan and I believe he deserves this running tally throughout the season.  Instead of doubting anything I've written (which was written purely statistically from this point in the season), please just root for him to break into the top 20.  If he does, then IU's tournament success might likely be better than some of us have predicted.

Thanks!

[ray]

1	Calbert Cheaney	2,613	1989–93
2	Steve Alford	2,438	1983–87
3	Don Schlundt	2,192	1951–55
4	A. J. Guyton	2,100	1996–00
5	Mike Woodson	2,061	1976–80
6	Yogi Ferrell	1,986	2012–16
7	Alan Henderson	1,979	1991–95
8	Damon Bailey	1,741	1990–94
9	Kent Benson	1,740	1973–77
10	Christian Watford	1,730	2009–13
11	Eric Anderson	1,715	1988–92
12	Brian Evans	1,701	1992–96
13	Scott May	1,593	1972–76
14	Greg Graham	1,590	1989–93
15	Randy Wittman	1,549	1978–83
16	Archie Dees	1,546	1955–58
17	Bracey Wright	1,498	2002–05
18	D. J. White	1,447	2004–08
19	Walt Bellamy	1,441	1958–61
20	Ray Tolbert	1,427	1977–81
21	Robert Johnson	1,413	2014–18
22	Kirk Haston	1,406	1998-01
23	Jimmy Rayl	1,401	1960–63
24	Andrae Patterson	1,365	1994–98
25	Uwe Blab	1,357	1981–85
26	Verdell Jones III	1,347	2009–12
27	Ted Kitchel	1,336	1978–83
28	Jordan Hulls	1,318	2009–13
29	Tom Bolyard	1,299	1960–63
30	Joby Wright	1,272	1969–72
31	Steve Green	1,265	1972–75
32	James Blackmon Jr.	1,257	2014–17
33	Tom Van Arsdale	1,252	1962–65
34	Dick Van Arsdale	1,240	1962–65
35	Steve Downing	1,220	1970–73
36	Tom Coverdale	1,217	1999-03
37	Jeff Netwon	1,203	1999-03
38	Quinn Buckner	1,195	1972–76
39	Cody Zeller	1,157	2011–13
40	Will Sheehey	1,120	2010–14
41	Victor Oladipo	1,117	2010–13
42	Troy Williams	1,115	2013–16
43	Marshall Strickland	1,106	2002–06
44	Vernon Payne	1,101	1965–68
45	Joe Cooke	1,099	1967–70
46	Bobby Leonard	1,098	1951–54
47	Daryl Thomas	1,095	1983–87
48	Rick Calloway	1,073	1985–88
49	Jay Edwards	1,038	1987–89
50	Butch Joyner	1,030	1965–68
51	Juwan Morgan	1,020	2015–Current
52	Jared Jeffries	1,008	2000–02

 

Current list as of 12/17/18

[rcbowla]

1	Calbert Cheaney	2,613	1989–93
2	Steve Alford	2,438	1983–87
3	Don Schlundt	2,192	1951–55
4	A. J. Guyton	2,100	1996–00
5	Mike Woodson	2,061	1976–80
6	Yogi Ferrell	1,986	2012–16
7	Alan Henderson	1,979	1991–95
8	Damon Bailey	1,741	1990–94
9	Kent Benson	1,740	1973–77
10	Christian Watford	1,730	2009–13
11	Eric Anderson	1,715	1988–92
12	Brian Evans	1,701	1992–96
13	Scott May	1,593	1972–76
14	Greg Graham	1,590	1989–93
15	Randy Wittman	1,549	1978–83
16	Archie Dees	1,546	1955–58
17	Bracey Wright	1,498	2002–05
18	D. J. White	1,447	2004–08
19	Walt Bellamy	1,441	1958–61
20	Ray Tolbert	1,427	1977–81
21	Robert Johnson	1,413	2014–18
22	Kirk Haston	1,406	1998-01
23	Jimmy Rayl	1,401	1960–63
24	Andrae Patterson	1,365	1994–98
25	Uwe Blab	1,357	1981–85
26	Verdell Jones III	1,347	2009–12
27	Ted Kitchel	1,336	1978–83
28	Jordan Hulls	1,318	2009–13
29	Tom Bolyard	1,299	1960–63
30	Joby Wright	1,272	1969–72
31	Steve Green	1,265	1972–75
32	James Blackmon Jr.	1,257	2014–17
33	Tom Van Arsdale	1,252	1962–65
34	Dick Van Arsdale	1,240	1962–65
35	Steve Downing	1,220	1970–73
36	Tom Coverdale	1,217	1999-03
37	Jeff Netwon	1,203	1999-03
38	Quinn Buckner	1,195	1972–76
39	Cody Zeller	1,157	2011–13
40	Will Sheehey	1,120	2010–14
41	Victor Oladipo	1,117	2010–13
42	Troy Williams	1,115	2013–16
43	Marshall Strickland	1,106	2002–06
44	Vernon Payne	1,101	1965–68
45	Joe Cooke	1,099	1967–70
46	Bobby Leonard	1,098	1951–54
47	Daryl Thomas	1,095	1983–87
48	Rick Calloway	1,073	1985–88
49	Jay Edwards	1,038	1987–89
50	Butch Joyner	1,030	1965–68
51	Juwan Morgan	1,020	2015–Current
52	Jared Jeffries	1,008	2000–02

 
Current list as of 12/17/18

I didn't realize A.J. was 4th. He was one of my all-time favorites. So smooth.

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[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Never ever would have expected to see Verdell Jones that high on the list.  Just never considered him as a high scorer.

[rcbowla]

Me too. AJ was a scoring machine. 
Also, this shows how the early 90's were LOADED with great players. Not exactly a newsflash, but 6 of the top 14 all-time scorers overlapped during the 90-95 timeframe, plus so many other really solid contributors. Badly want IU to get back to that level, where the #4 option is still a stud and the bench is full of ballers too. 

True about the 90's. That's also when the 3 pt shot started being utilized more. Unfortunately for some of the guys on the list they didn't have that opportunity although they would've have lit it up from there if it were an option.

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[rcbowla]

Never ever would have expected to see Verdell Jones that high on the list.  Just never considered him as a high scorer.

He really was just about their only option for a couple of years. So he's on there because of volume? A lot of people ripped on him (myself included) but I always wondered what he may have been on a team with talent. He actually played pretty well on the 11-12 team if I recall correctly.

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[ray]

15 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Never ever would have expected to see Verdell Jones that high on the list.  Just never considered him as a high scorer.

Verdell was in the top ten in assists as well, but he fell out as Yogi climbed the charts.  He should still be sitting at number eleven in assists.  

It was interesting to see some of the few players in the top ten or 15 in multiple categories.  To name a couple...my numbers might be slightly off...and I couldn't find blocks and steals lists...but for instance, Chris Reynolds was 8th in steals and 12th in assists...and DJ White was top 15 rebs and number 3 in blocks.

Don Schlundt - 3rd in pts and 7th in rebs

AJ Guyton - 4th in scoring and 8th in assists

Yogi Ferrell - 6th in pts and 1st in assists

Alan Henderson - 7th in pts, 1st in rebs, and 4th in steals (surprisingly)

Damon Bailey - 8th in pts and 6th in assists

Kent Benson - 9th in pts and 3rd in rebs

Christian Watford - 10th in pts and 9th in rebs

Mike Woodson - 5th in pts and 5th in steals

Tom Coverdale - 3rd in assists and 6th in steals

Edited December 17, 2018 by ray

[ray]

14 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

No doubt- Alford with 3 more years of 3pt! or Whitman? I know there were others, but that is about as far back as my frame of reference goes. 

Imagine Don Schlundt with longer games (didn't they use to have shorter games), a three-point line, the addition of a shot clock, etc.

That man must have been ridiculous for his time.

Edited December 17, 2018 by ray

[Brass Cannon]

Assuming we win 1 postseason game a year Phinisee is already on pace to top us on steals fwiw

[rcbowla]

Assuming we win 1 postseason game a year Phinisee is already on pace to top us on steals fwiw

Would imagine he'd be on pace to get up there in assists as well.

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[JHoosier914]

If I counted correctly, JuMo has scored 190 points this season in 11 games. It’s not out of the question that he can score 400-450 more points this season with 20+ games left. That would put him near Kirk Hastons and the bunch...


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[Brass Cannon]

12 minutes ago, rcs29 said:

Would imagine he'd be on pace to get up there in assists as well.

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4th or so but once again that extrapolating his freshmen year numbers. Looks poised to make a run at the record for sure

[ray]

48 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Assuming we win 1 postseason game a year Phinisee is already on pace to top us on steals fwiw

I saw you posted this elsewhere earlier.  Thanks.  I imagine he will only get better in assists and steals as he matures too.

[ray]

33 minutes ago, JHoosier914 said:

If I counted correctly, JuMo has scored 190 points this season in 11 games. It’s not out of the question that he can score 400-450 more points this season with 20+ games left. That would put him near Kirk Hastons and the bunch...


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Yep, my theoretical post of him landing in top 25 was if he kept on pace of around 17ppg and didn't account for any BigTenTourney or NCAA tourney games.  So, I would think they can at least expect 22 more games (20 more this season, 1 Big Ten tourney game, and 1 NCAA tourney game), which figuring a 17ppg average with those two additional games alone would put him only a few points from surpassing Jimmy Rayl at #23 and a few more on top of that to pass Kirk Haston.  If they win only one game in either tournament and he keeps that average he'll be knocking on Robert Johnson's #21 slot.

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Christian Watford 10th all time in scoring... what. That 2013 team was so loaded. 

[ray]

6 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Christian Watford 10th all time in scoring... what. That 2013 team was so loaded. 

Agreed.  I thought the same thing when I began to look at it.  If I remember now, though, they had mentioned they had several players on that roster reach the 1,000 point mark and several on pace to reach that mark. 

[ray]

I can't seem to find any statistics much past top ten in rebounds, but if Juwan's average this year continues then he'll be over 700 rebounds for his career before Big Ten Tournament as well.  That would surely put him in the top 25 range in rebounds as well, with Brian Evans at number 10 with 750.

[ray]

1 hour ago, ray said:

Verdell was in the top ten in assists as well, but he fell out as Yogi climbed the charts.  He should still be sitting at number eleven in assists.  

It was interesting to see some of the few players in the top ten or 15 in multiple categories.  To name a couple...my numbers might be slightly off...and I couldn't find blocks and steals lists...but for instance, Chris Reynolds was 8th in steals and 12th in assists...and DJ White was top 15 rebs and number 3 in blocks.

Don Schlundt - 3rd in pts and 7th in rebs

AJ Guyton - 4th in scoring and 8th in assists

Yogi Ferrell - 6th in pts and 1st in assists

Alan Henderson - 7th in pts, 1st in rebs, and 4th in steals (surprisingly)

Damon Bailey - 8th in pts and 6th in assists

Kent Benson - 9th in pts and 3rd in rebs

Christian Watford - 10th in pts and 9th in rebs

Mike Woodson - 5th in pts and 5th in steals

Tom Coverdale - 3rd in assists and 6th in steals

And a shout out to the late Eric Anderson is in order...number 8 in rebounds and number 11 in scoring.  I left him off this short list by accident.

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2 hours ago, rcs29 said:

I didn't realize A.J. was 4th. He was one of my all-time favorites. So smooth.

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I'm just glad Calbert is the all time leader and not Alford

[rcbowla]

Christian Watford 10th all time in scoring... what. That 2013 team was so loaded. 

It's sad. I actually thought of that today. Zeller, Watford, Oladipo, Hulls and Yogi with Sheehey as the 6th man.....no reason that team didn't make it to the Final 4. Well except 1 reason. SMH

 

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