2021 General Recruiting Thread

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, IUc2016 said:

I would normally agree with you regarding a recruit like this. But look at his offer list, tells kind of a different story.

DePaul, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, N.C. State, Maryland, St. Johns, Boston College, Oklahoma State, Dayton, Pittsburgh, Illinois, Marquette. That is a pretty good list

It’s a decent list. But it’s not the list of a guy that makes up for losing Aminu or TK

[IUc2016]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

It’s a decent list. But it’s not the list of a guy that makes up for losing Aminu or TK

Oh I agree with TK. That was a bad loss and you won't see me try to rationlize missing on him for this kid. Getting Amzil will not make me feel ANY better about losing out on TK.

I am more stating that this doesn't seem to be a Crean like back up plan if you look at his offers and who is starting to recruit him. 

 

[Brass Cannon]

Just now, IUc2016 said:

Oh I agree with TK. That was a bad loss and you won't see me try to rationlize missing on him for this kid. Getting Amzil will not make me feel ANY better about losing out on TK.

I am more stating that this doesn't seem to be a Crean like back up plan if you look at his offers and who is starting to recruit him. 

 

Maybe. Kid is still an unknown.  Some of those offers can be conditional. And so far nobody has offered him that has a program where we expect to be.  
 

Losing recruits you spend years on then having to jump into others at the last second is a losing proposition regardless of the talent of the recruits you are jumping into 

[Stuhoo]

8 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

It’s a decent list. But it’s not the list of a guy that makes up for losing Aminu or TK

 

I cannot discern which player has a 'better' offer list. Matching Offers for both players in bold:

Aminu Offer List

• Maryland
• Indiana
• Kansas State
• Georgetown
• DePaul
• Florida
• Georgia
• Missouri State
• Oklahoma State
• Pittsburgh
• Seton Hall
• Towson
• Wake Forest
• Louisville

Mustapha Offer List

• DePaul
• Indiana
• Georgia Tech
• Kansas State
• N.C. State
• Maryland
• St. Johns
• Boston College
• Oklahoma State
• Dayton
• Pittsburgh
• Illinois
• Marquette

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I cannot discern which player has a 'better' offer list. Matching Offers for both players in bold:

Aminu Offer List

• Maryland
• Indiana
• Kansas State
• Georgetown
• DePaul
• Florida
• Georgia
• Missouri State
• Oklahoma State
• Pittsburgh
• Seton Hall
• Towson
• Wake Forest
• Louisville

Mustapha Offer List

• DePaul
• Indiana
• Georgia Tech
• Kansas State
• N.C. State
• Maryland
• St. Johns
• Boston College
• Oklahoma State
• Dayton
• Pittsburgh
• Illinois
• Marquette

I’m not judging Aminu based on his offer list. He’s a relatively known commodity at this point.  We’re giving one of these two the benefit of the doubt because he’s a 3 star ranked in the 300s.  And looking to his offer list as to why that ranking is undeserved.  

[IUc2016]

 If he chooses to go elsewhere,

Trey Galloway and Jordan Geronimo will make us forget the name Aminu Mohammad and I am okay with that. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Looking at their accolades and statistics makes this pretty easy relative to comparing Aminu and Mustapha.  
 

I’m not sure why we are comparing them anyway. 
 

I stand by my skepticism of Amzil.  His highlight tape looks decent. But the statistics don’t support him being a good shooter.  He’s slight of frame. That generally doesn’t equate to B1G basketball. This one is odd.  

[Stuhoo]

2 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

So the ship has sailed on Miller (the recruit) too so this is the back-up, back-up plan? 

Most likely? 
This is the “let’s try to go one-for-two on 6’9” stretch fours” plan.

 

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Hardwood83 said:

 

Sadly, he is NOT one of the two we are pursuing.

 

[Uspshoosier]

Archie basically did the opposite from what he did in the Brooks recruitment on the Kaufman recruitment.   People hammered him after Brooks chose Kentucky saying that he didn’t have a backup plan.  You can’t put your eggs in one basket when you are recruiting at a high major.  So moving forward to the Kaufman recruitment he didn’t put all his eggs in the same basket, he went aggressively after 2 other top 60 players at the same position(Hopkins and Miller who is still in play) as Kaufman and kicked the tires with another prospect that’s recruitment is just getting started.  After Kaufman went elsewhere he offered the new prospect.  Regardless of what he did people are going to be pissed because he missed out on a top recruit.   

[WayneFleekHoosier]

45 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Archie basically did the opposite from what he did in the Brooks recruitment on the Kaufman recruitment.   People hammered him after Brooks chose Kentucky saying that he didn’t have a backup plan.  You can’t put your eggs in one basket when you are recruiting at a high major.  So moving forward to the Kaufman recruitment he didn’t put all his eggs in the same basket, he went aggressively after 2 other top 60 players at the same position(Hopkins and Miller who is still in play) as Kaufman and kicked the tires with another prospect that’s recruitment is just getting started.  After Kaufman went elsewhere he offered the new prospect.  Regardless of what he did people are going to be pissed because he missed out on a top recruit.   

Not entirely true.  When it is a gigantic position of need (basically replacing TJD) you sell that spot so you don’t end up chasing Mustapha Amzil last minute. 
 

I think Archie got blindsided again. I think he basically replicated the Brooks recruitment again.  Both blindsided him.  We weren’t entirely early or strong for Mason Miller or Hopkins or a few other later chances.  It was late when doubt set in.  Amzil is a prayer and Hail Mary. 
 

I don’t want Archie to go full Crean and shotgun but he’s not efficient enough to be a Sniper rifle either. 

2021 recruiting has been a mess.  

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by WayneFleekHoosier

[Uspshoosier]

18 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Not entirely true.  When it is a gigantic position of need (basically replacing TJD) you sell that spot so you don’t end up chasing Mustapha Amzil last minute. 
 

I think Archie got blindsided again. I think he basically replicated the Brooks recruitment again.  Both blindsided him.  We weren’t entirely early or strong for Mason Miller or Hopkins or a few other later chances.  It was late when doubt set in.  Amzil is a prayer and Hail Mary. 
 

I don’t want Archie to go full Crean and shotgun but he’s not efficient enough to be a Sniper rifle either. 

2021 recruiting has been a mess.  

 

Interesting.   Every thing I’ve read with Miller from his recruitment IU was always mentioned with him and IU was always mentioned with Hopkins even before he committed to Louisville and then decommitted IU even got an unofficial visit from him for a game.  
it’s been IU and Creighton as the top 2 teams for Miller for awhile now.

you read it one way while I read it another way. 
 Kaufman was clearly the top target from day 1 but from my perspective the staff worked hard in those other 2 recruitments as well.    Nothing wrong with different point of views on the same recruitments 

[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Interesting.   Every thing I’ve read with Miller from his recruitment IU was always mentioned with him and IU was always mentioned with Hopkins even before he committed to Louisville and then decommitted IU even got an unofficial visit from him for a game.  
it’s been IU and Creighton as the top 2 teams for Miller for awhile now.

you read it one way while I read it another way. 
 Kaufman was clearly the top target from day 1 but from my perspective the staff worked hard in those other 2 recruitments as well.    Nothing wrong with different point of views on the same recruitments 

Regardless how hard we prioritized plans A and B.  It’s not a good sign when your onto plan C and beyond.  

[Uspshoosier]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

Regardless how hard we prioritized plans A and B.  It’s not a good sign when your onto plan C and beyond.  

Miller commit to Creighton?

[Brass Cannon]

6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Miller commit to Creighton?

We shall see. 
 

We all had fantasies about TK, Aminu and Miller.  Looking to me like those dreams of Preston, Wilkes and Waters we once had. 

[Stuhoo]

Criticizing the staff for a bad class in theory, when that bad class has not formed yet is...

unfortunate.

 

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

We shall see. 
 

We all had fantasies about TK, Aminu and Miller.  Looking to me like those dreams of Preston, Wilkes and Waters we once had. 

That’s recruiting.  I never saw Miller and Kaufman committing to the same school however I thought Kaufman and Furst wouldn’t play for the same school and I was proven wrong.   
 At one point during the 2021 recruiting cycle IU’s top 4 players on their hot board was 

Lander, Kaufman, Furst and Duncomb.   Lander reclassifying changed 2021 outlook but the staff landed 2 of 4 of their top targets for what they saw in the  future of  the program. 
missing Kaufman stings fans and the program for a bunch of reasons that have been pointed out but as a program you have to move on and move forward.  Fans don’t have to move on if they don’t want to. They can do whatever and say whatever they want 

[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Criticizing the staff for a bad class in theory, when that bad class has not formed yet is...

unfortunate.

 

I’m not criticizing them for a bad class. I’m criticizing them for missing on their top targets.  Which doesn’t prevent a good class it sure as hell makes it harder.  And judging by our results the last couple years we aren’t in a position to make recruiting harder on ourselves. 
 

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

That’s recruiting.  I never saw Miller and Kaufman committing to the same school however I thought Kaufman and Furst wouldn’t play for the same school and I was proven wrong.   
 At one point during the 2021 recruiting cycle IU’s top 4 players on their hot board was 

Lander, Kaufman, Furst and Duncomb.   Lander reclassifying changed 2021 outlook but the staff landed 2 of 4 of their top targets for what they saw in the  future of  the program. 
missing Kaufman stings fans and the program for a bunch of reasons that have been pointed out but as a program you have to move on and move forward.  Fans don’t have to move on if they don’t want to. They can do whatever and say whatever they want 

It is recruiting. But it’s much more similar to the recruiting of Crean than of Miller even two years ago. 

[ebridges24]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

That’s recruiting.  I never saw Miller and Kaufman committing to the same school however I thought Kaufman and Furst wouldn’t play for the same school and I was proven wrong.   
 At one point during the 2021 recruiting cycle IU’s top 4 players on their hot board was 

Lander, Kaufman, Furst and Duncomb.   Lander reclassifying changed 2021 outlook but the staff landed 2 of 4 of their top targets for what they saw in the  future of  the program. 
missing Kaufman stings fans and the program for a bunch of reasons that have been pointed out but as a program you have to move on and move forward.  Fans don’t have to move on if they don’t want to. They can do whatever and say whatever they want 

Look at USPS waxing philosophical on us. I agree, by the way.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Missing top targets will happen. I understand that. How you plan for and around that is most critical.

Indiana shouldn’t be a boom or bust recruiting school, but all 2 often we are.

I understand roster construction. We desperately need a 4/5 for next season. Duncomb partly/mostly addresses the 5 spot eventually. But we are selling the TJD spot, and we should have done better. That’s why I strongly feel like the staff was blindsided by Kaufman.

Many on here would feel good about Mason Miller. I won’t/wouldn’t much. He needs to be a 3 and add a lot of muscle if he plans to play and rebound the 4. He’s not really a Kaufman replacement despite being similar height.

I’ll admit to being envious. When Michigan State, Michigan, Illinois, and now Purdue put together rock star classes it’s hard to project we are gaining ground in the B1G.

But here’s Archie’s chance to start showing he can beat the rock stars with his guys like others have done in the past.


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