Post Game Discussion : Indiana 55 vs Michigan 69

[DChoosier]

6 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

The cavalry. And that cavalry better include Romeo

Noticeable shift from ...he is ours to....better include Romeo.

 

[VO5]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

Pack line defensive teams have generally had a hard time scoring consistently; and if Archie thinks Indiana fans will be happy with a bunch of games scoring in the 50's, he is sadly mistaken.   Our team has to be either exceptional defensively or play with a better offensive tempo.  

If we play poorly on defense and slow on offense, it looks like that.  Awful to watch.  That was a horrid game.  Zero offensive flow; no intensity on defense.  Poorly played, poorly coached.  I am disappointed.   Mostly in our senior guards.  That was an abysmal performance by both.

I’m worried about our offense. Yeah, we put 81 on Duke, but Duke is having tons of issues on D themselves. That was an aberration.

We won’t win games dumping it inside to Morgan and Davis while our guards stand around the perimeter. We can’t consistently trade 2s for 3s. Something has to change here or it’s going to be an even worse season than I thought.

[mdn82]

No one is jumping off any bridges.

Just reacting to our play today. We played nearly our best with a raucous fanbase at home and lost by 10 to Duke.

We play poorly and lose to an average Michigan team on the road by 15.

We aren't good and it's hard to watch losses and bad play.


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A mildly inconsistent team that will have moments is to be expected though both good and bad. IMO this game falls on our Seniors. They kicked off the game throwing the ball away. We get the game to 5, they hit a 3, and we jack back to back 3’s when we got back into it getting to the rim. We need shooters beyond bigger, active, and athletic defenders. We have nobody that can create offensively with any regularity. Juwan Morgan would be best as the 4th or 5th option regularly. He should be getting energy points. Lately he has been our 2nd option. Davis? Should also be a 4th or 5th option. He is our #1 option for the most part.


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[Hoosier Guy]

Just now, DChoosier said:

Noticeable shift from ...he is ours to....better include Romeo.

 

My positivity has gone down a bit. I’m usually not that positive either but there was nothing to complain about for some time there. Now, yeah it’s a bit different

[cappymo14]

You are correct. It hasn’t worked for Virginia, Wisconsin, or Arizona. I agree college level defense should be picked up and perfected with years of bad habits between them instantaneously.


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Wisconsin does not play the pack line. I know. I live 3 minutes from The hall of calls. I’ve been to 30+ games there in 5 years. Not once have they employed the pack line. How many you been to? Listen, I understand your frustration with me and I love that you are defending Archie. Want me to call it a pack line and get behind it? Fine. Next game, if they can cut it in half, get defenders within say...10 feet of the shooter, I’ll get behind it. If not, it’s the “I hope he doesn’t make it” defense.


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[dbmhoosier]

For those complaining about offense we don't have any shooters.  We had plenty of open 3s against Duke that we bricked.  There is no Hulls or JBJ on this team.  Anderson will help immensely next year. 

[maharkn]

Romeo would be a good get but we need a real big man

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[Me So Hornsby]

This team is going to play its best basketball in the 2nd half of the year, theres a lot to be positive about even after today. If we can go 6-3 in the next 9 I feel very good about our chances in the last stretch of the year. I dont see us beating MSU or Minny(on the road at least) but who knows what happens. We may sneak into the tourny this year. Next year I think we are a top 25 team by the end of the year regardless of Romeo. I will not concede that we arent going to be good until year three. I believe in Archie way too much to buy into that thought.

[hoosierpap]

I thought we talked ad nauseam about expectations. Let's not lose sight of what they were coming into the year...

[Me So Hornsby]

2 minutes ago, maharkn said:

Romeo would be a good get but we need a real big man

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So you dont think Juwan and Deron are a good tandem? Throw in a sophomore Smith and thats a great frontline in my mind. Plus Race and the potential of Moore taking a step forward. 

[Bailey7878]

It works, just ask Virginia, Xaiver, etc. 
 
You need the right players for it. Archie has Crean's players. It's going to be some time before we see what Archie can do here. 

Exactly why the defense stinks. Crean players

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[dbmhoosier]

ESPN gave us a 42% chance to beat Duke.  They gave us a 22% chance to win today.  I don't know why anyone is surprised with the result.  Beilein is a top 5 coach and has an equal or better roster and was playing at home. Those who thought we'd win today know nothing about basketball. 

[Me So Hornsby]

Just now, Bailey7878 said:

Exactly why the defense stinks. Crean players

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It stinks because we are implementing a completely new system. Its gonna take time

[Bailey7878]

We are bad. It's hard to stomach a 3 year rebuild. That's a long time. The realization of a full rebuild is setting in game by game and now I think people realize we aren't turning any major corners this year.

Player personnel isn't good enough. Won't be next year either. Hard to think about that.


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No next year won't be any better unless we get Romeo who is a must get imo. Man rebuilds are getting old at iu as it's all we do.

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[Me So Hornsby]

1 minute ago, Joe DeLow said:

Romeo isn’t coming to IU. So everyone can put that dream to rest. If IU was actually going to have a decent year, he’d come. He is going to Vandy. 

This isnt a Romeo thread we dont need to get into that discussion here.

[DChoosier]

4 minutes ago, Me So Hornsby said:

This team is going to play its best basketball in the 2nd half of the year, theres a lot to be positive about even after today. If we can go 6-3 in the next 9 I feel very good about our chances in the last stretch of the year. I dont see us beating MSU or Minny(on the road at least) but who knows what happens. We may sneak into the tourny this year. Next year I think we are a top 25 team by the end of the year regardless of Romeo. I will not concede that we arent going to be good until year three. I believe in Archie way too much to buy into that thought.

 

We are probably going to go 7-5 in non-conference without an impressive win.

The tourney is not in the cards this year.

[Bailey7878]

The cavalry. And that cavalry better include Romeo

110% may get.

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[Hoosier Guy]

It’s one post about Romeo. It’s not that big a deal

[Bailey7878]

No one is jumping off any bridges.

Just reacting to our play today. We played nearly our best with a raucous fanbase at home and lost by 10 to Duke.

We play poorly and lose to an average Michigan team on the road by 15.

We aren't good and it's hard to watch losses and bad play.


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This on paper was one of the more winnable big ten games imo.

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[Me So Hornsby]

Just now, DChoosier said:

 

We are probably going to go 7-5 in non-conference without an impressive win.

The tourney is not in the cards this year.

Most likely not, thats why I said sneak. Im just saying that we are gonna be better later and who knows what can happen