Corruption in College Basketball

[Deserthoozier]

Arizona will be the big fish they fry to make an example of. They’re expendable, in the PAC, and don’t have the clout business connections or power that the ACC/SEC and ESPN sponsored entities do. 

Meanwhile for Dollar Bill, Deputy Dog, Cal, K and others...the show must go on.  

 

[Whojainjawja]

They only crucify low hanging fruit. If teams are forthcoming they get bent over. Deny, Deny, and Lawyer up and they go away. The schools that don't have the war chest get made an example of.

 

[Josh]

19 hours ago, woodenshoemanHoosierfan said:

Investigation underway at Arizona

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-investigation-underway-arizonas-sean-miller-faces-complicated-future-234415126.html

 

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I'm conflicted.  On one hand, I hope Sean Miller gets hammered with sanctions and kicked out of the sport.  Cheaters deserve comeuppance.

On the other hand, he's a terrible coach that consistently underperforms in the tourney.  So if he stays, he keeps good recruits from going to other cheating coaches that can do well in the tourney.  This lowers the chance of other cheaters doing well in the tourney because they can't monopolize all the top recruits.

If that makes any sense...

[Brass Cannon]

17 minutes ago, Josh said:

 

On the other hand, he's a terrible coach that consistently underperforms in the tourney. 

3 years ago people said the same things about Jay Wright

[Alford Bailey]

1 hour ago, Deserthoozier said:

Arizona will be the big fish they fry to make an example of. They’re expendable, in the PAC, and don’t have the clout business connections or power that the ACC/SEC and ESPN sponsored entities do. 

Meanwhile for Dollar Bill, Deputy Dog, Cal, K and others...the show must go on.  

 

Exactly

[Josh]

16 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

3 years ago people said the same things about Jay Wright

Ok.

[IUc2016]

I'm conflicted.  On one hand, I hope Sean Miller gets hammered with sanctions and kicked out of the sport.  Cheaters deserve comeuppance.

On the other hand, he's a terrible coach that consistently underperforms in the tourney.  So if he stays, he keeps good recruits from going to other cheating coaches that can do well in the tourney.  This lowers the chance of other cheaters doing well in the tourney because they can't monopolize all the top recruits.

If that makes any sense...

Sean Miller is a terrible coach...? Oh my. I’m beginning to think your expectations are not only unrealistic but impossible.

 

Dude has won 75% of his games in 15 years as a head coach at Xavier and Arizona.

 

He has 8 regular season titles, and 4 conference tournament titles.

 

Has only missed the tournament in three seasons and two of those were in the first year at each school.

 

He has been to the sweet 16 eight times.

 

He has been to the elite 8 4 times.

 

You can say the pac 12 is not a tough conference, but name another coach to have those accomplishments in the pac 12 during that same time?

 

As said above, people used to question jay Wright’s ability to win in the tournament and now look at him. And he didn’t even have the numbers Sean had before he won a title.

 

 

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[Rico]

This how I see it.  Knight was a winner for us.  His record speaks for itself.  But he started giving the school "black eyes".  If he wasn't doing it on the court, he was doing it off the court.  The IU admins got sick of it...fired.  Sean Miller and Bill Self are both walking the fine line.  Negative publicity is not a good thing.  We can talk NCAA, and their idiocy, all we want.  But their employers have say in all this.  Neither University will have a problem finding another coach.  Just my thoughts.

[yogisballin]

I wouldn't be too sure about that and it might just not be the NCAA either.  

I understand that others are involved here. I’m saying that the NCAA has done all they are going to do here basically unless something comes up they (fbi)don’t already have on someone


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[HoosierAloha]

59 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

I understand that others are involved here. I’m saying that the NCAA has done all they are going to do here basically unless something comes up they (fbi)don’t already have on someone


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What more do you want the NCAA to do?  They hired a big name to form a commission so that fixed it.

[Josh]

3 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

Sean Miller is a terrible coach...? Oh my. I’m beginning to think your expectations are not only unrealistic but impossible.

 

Dude has won 75% of his games in 15 years as a head coach at Xavier and Arizona.

 

He has 8 regular season titles, and 4 conference tournament titles.

 

Has only missed the tournament in three seasons and two of those were in the first year at each school.

 

He has been to the sweet 16 eight times.

 

He has been to the elite 8 4 times.

 

You can say the pac 12 is not a tough conference, but name another coach to have those accomplishments in the pac 12 during that same time?

 

As said above, people used to question jay Wright’s ability to win in the tournament and now look at him. And he didn’t even have the numbers Sean had before he won a title.

 

 

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Tournament success relative to seeding?  Terrible.

But I'm not here for that specifically, I'm just here to see the cheaters burn.

[yogisballin]

What more do you want the NCAA to do?  They hired a big name to form a commission so that fixed it.

Oh yeah! That’s right lol


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[IUc2016]

Tournament success relative to seeding?  Terrible.
But I'm not here for that specifically, I'm just here to see the cheaters burn.

Tournament success relative to seeding is terrible? This actually couldn’t be further from the truth.

But I understand, you aren’t one who is interested in facts.


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[Bowhunter]

I want the NCAA to do their job but at the same time, it’s Archie’s brother and I don’t like that connection.


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[Josh]

3 hours ago, IUc2016 said:

Tournament success relative to seeding is terrible? This actually couldn’t be further from the truth.

But I understand, you aren’t one who is interested in facts.


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What??

[IUc2016]

6 minutes ago, Josh said:

What??

I could keep responding with facts as to why he is not a terrible coach but it will not matter to you. We have done this before, you just like to have outlandish takes without any rhyme or reason to back them up. 

[Josh]

11 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

I could keep responding with facts as to why he is not a terrible coach but it will not matter to you. We have done this before, you just like to have outlandish takes without any rhyme or reason to back them up. 

I don't understand the condesention and name calling by people on here lately.  It's frustrating.

I can give facts too.

In 2011, Miller finished first in his conference but bowed out in the Elite Eight.  That was his best performance in the NCAAs.

In 2012, he missed the tourney.

In 2013 he finished 2nd and made the Sweet 16.

In 2014 he finished 1st and lost in the Elite Eight.

In 2015 he finished 1st and lost in the Elite Eight 

In 2016 he finished 3rd and lost first round.

In 2017 he finished 1st and lost in the Sweet 16

In 2018 he finished 1st and list in the first round.

You think he's a good coach because of regular season results. I think he's a poor coach because he falters in the tournament so much.  You're so dug into your opinion that you belittle anybody else with a different opinion.  Good for you, I don't go like that.

[IUc2016]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

I don't understand the condesention and name calling by people on here lately.  It's frustrating.

I can give facts too.

In 2011, Miller finished first in his conference but bowed out in the Elite Eight.  That was his best performance in the NCAAs.

In 2012, he missed the tourney.

In 2013 he finished 2nd and made the Sweet 16.

In 2014 he finished 1st and lost in the Elite Eight.

In 2015 he finished 1st and lost in the Elite Eight 

In 2016 he finished 3rd and lost first round.

In 2017 he finished 1st and lost in the Sweet 16

In 2018 he finished 1st and list in the first round.

You think he's a good coach because of regular season results. I think he's a poor coach because he falters in the tournament so much.  You're so dug into your opinion that you belittle anybody else with a different opinion.  Good for you, I don't go like that.

No, your standard for proving he was a terrible coach was tournament success relative to his seeding. Yet you did not provide his team's seed in any of those tournament years. 

And you only used years from Arizona, he had a heck of a run at Xavier as well. 

Sorry if I am belittling you, not intended. Just not a fan of today's hot take culture because it normally comes without any statistical backing. 

[Brass Cannon]

8 minutes ago, Josh said:

I don't understand the condesention and name calling by people on here lately.  It's frustrating.

I can give facts too.

In 2011, Miller finished first in his conference but bowed out in the Elite Eight.  That was his best performance in the NCAAs.

In 2012, he missed the tourney.

In 2013 he finished 2nd and made the Sweet 16.

In 2014 he finished 1st and lost in the Elite Eight.

In 2015 he finished 1st and lost in the Elite Eight 

In 2016 he finished 3rd and lost first round.

In 2017 he finished 1st and lost in the Sweet 16

In 2018 he finished 1st and list in the first round.

You think he's a good coach because of regular season results. I think he's a poor coach because he falters in the tournament so much.  You're so dug into your opinion that you belittle anybody else with a different opinion.  Good for you, I don't go like that.

In the 9 years prior to Wright winning it all twice in 3 years he didn’t get past the sweet sixteen for 9 years. 

Tourney is a crap shoot

[Rico]

3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

In the 9 years prior to Wright winning it all twice in 3 years he didn’t get past the sweet sixteen for 9 years. 

Tourney is a crap shoot

I am pretty sure it took Boeheim 11 years to get to the FF.