Corruption in College Basketball

[HinnyHoosier 5,105]

I just want to get some opinions on recruiting after Archie’s brother gets fired for cheating. Different people,  same family.  Do you think it will affect us?

Us? Only if our coaching staff is doing it too (which most of us are pretty confident they aren't).

Our perception? Some. For the next few years Archie will bear a slight guilty-by-association label from the casual observer. That will be most displayed amongst the ranks of petulant IU critics who would love to see IU get Sampson-ed again. I'd say equivalent to how most of us view Scott/Bryce Drew.



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[BGleas 7,917]

8 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

I get that but what negative press have they been getting? The stuff that goes on in college ball, and AAU, has been going on long before the OAD rule was in place.

Changing the OAD to 2 and through or three and degree would help a some but it won't, by itself, get rid of corrupting the system.


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This goes way deeper than just the one and done rule. Everything we’re hearing about agents essentially selling players, those are NBA sanctioned agents. I also think Adam Silver is a very forward-thinking commissioner that while responsible for just the NBA, he actually cares about the overall health of the game. 

Also the louder blowhards like Van Grundy get and some the NBA players, the press will begin putting some focus on them. Basically, I think the NBA will come to the table at some point. 

The NBA needs to partner with the NCAA on regulation and putting policies in place to harshly punish agents found to break the rules. 

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15 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 

Us? Only if our coaching staff is doing it too (which most of us are pretty confident they aren't).

Our perception? Some. For the next few years Archie will bear a slight guilty-by-association label from the casual observer. That will be most displayed amongst the ranks of petulant IU critics who would love to see IU get Sampson-ed again. I'd say equivalent to how most of us view Scott/Bryce Drew.



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Speaking of the Drew family, I always thought of Homer as being on the up and up, but now I question that.  I'm purely speculating, but now I have to wonder if Valpo wasn't working a poor man's version in getting players from Europe?  Maybe easier to get by with and not as expensive.  I have zero proof, but my suspicion has come about after seeing what kind of scumbags the two sons have turned out to be.

[OliviaPope40 6,706]

How exactly did the FBI get involved and what jurisdiction do they have in this?

[Whojainjawja 122]

We have 109 pages filled with back and forth about the FBI investigation. I have checked out a few of the UK Forums, and hardly a mention. There are going to be some real meltdowns when this all comes out. Start looking for Cal's name to start popping up with job openings elsewhere. Banners Down.

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[Chris007 47,247]

1 hour ago, Bowhunter said:

I just want to get some opinions on recruiting after Archie’s brother gets fired for cheating. Different people,  same family.  Do you think it will affect us?

Do you think things will be different when Sean Miller sues ESPN for defamation and wins millions? That story has more holes than swiss cheese. I'm not saying Sean Miller doesn't cheat but I'm saying from what it sounds like ESPN ran with a story that is not true at all.   

[Bowhunter 2,728]

5 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Do you think things will be different when Sean Miller sues ESPN for defamation and wins millions? That story has more holes than swiss cheese. I'm not saying Sean Miller doesn't cheat but I'm saying from what it sounds like ESPN ran with a story that is not true at all.   

Ouch!

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Do you think things will be different when Sean Miller sues ESPN for defamation and wins millions? That story has more holes than swiss cheese. I'm not saying Sean Miller doesn't cheat but I'm saying from what it sounds like ESPN ran with a story that is not true at all.   

ESPN clearly ran it without enough evidence, but I don’t think that means the story isn’t true. Wouldn’t Miller have to prove that it is false in order to win a defamation suit? That would open the whole situation up to investigation, and I don’t think he’s going to want that either. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that’s how defamation and libel suits work.

Regardless,ESPN and Sean Miller should both be ashamed. Neither have integrity.


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[Chris007 47,247]

3 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

ESPN clearly ran it without enough evidence, but I don’t think that means the story isn’t true. Wouldn’t Miller have to prove that it is false in order to win a defamation suit? That would open the whole situation up to investigation, and I don’t think he’s going to want that either. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that’s how defamation and libel suits work.

Regardless,ESPN and Sean Miller should both be ashamed. Neither have integrity.


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You are probably correct. He might be clean in this but I doubt he wants to open up under oath to a whole line of questioning. 

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

This goes way deeper than just the one and done rule. Everything we’re hearing about agents essentially selling players, those are NBA sanctioned agents. I also think Adam Silver is a very forward-thinking commissioner that while responsible for just the NBA, he actually cares about the overall health of the game. 

Also the louder blowhards like Van Grundy get and some the NBA players, the press will begin putting some focus on them. Basically, I think the NBA will come to the table at some point. 

The NBA needs to partner with the NCAA on regulation and putting policies in place to harshly punish agents found to break the rules. 

Why would the NBA want to work jointly with the corrupt NCAA when they can change the one and done rule and allow players to jump right from high school to the G-League and make money, be coached by their coaches, and groomed for the NBA? This is very similar to the system in Europe.

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

I think the NBA has been setting itself up for this over the last couple years. Adam Silver has come out and said he doesn't like the one and done rule.. Now, the G-League (formerly the D-League before Gatorade threw a bunch of money at it) is collecting major sponsors and could be in a position to pay these guys a decent salary as an alternative to going to college and playing for 'the man'.

[Brass Cannon 24,982]

Just now, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Why would the NBA want to work jointly with the corrupt NCAA when they can change the one and done rule and allow players to jump right from high school to the G-League and make money, be coached by their coaches, and groomed for the NBA? This is very similar to the system in Europe.

Will kids really skip college to play in the G-league. Even if you didn't pay them they are increasing their sneaker deal more by going to college. 

Plus the NBA would be right back in the mess where team after team was wasting picks left and right on HS players

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Will kids really skip college to play in the G-league. Even if you didn't pay them they are increasing their sneaker deal more by going to college. 

Plus the NBA would be right back in the mess where team after team was wasting picks left and right on HS players

I don't think so.. If the NBA is able to turn the G-League into a more robust system with more teams and a focus on player development, I don't see why the best HS players wouldn't want to go right into the official 'minor league' of the NBA and make money. If the G-League can secure TV deals and keep adding sponsors, I think this is a very real possibility.

[Brass Cannon 24,982]

Just now, Baltimore Hoosier said:

I don't think so.. If the NBA is able to turn the G-League into a more robust system with more teams and a focus on player development, I don't see why the best HS players wouldn't want to go right into the official 'minor league' of the NBA and make money. If the G-League can secure TV deals and keep adding sponsors, I think this is a very real possibility.

Are you saying they would still get their million+ dollar salary while playing in g league

[BGleas 7,917]

9 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Why would the NBA want to work jointly with the corrupt NCAA when they can change the one and done rule and allow players to jump right from high school to the G-League and make money, be coached by their coaches, and groomed for the NBA? This is very similar to the system in Europe.

Who said that wouldn't be part of the solution? Players should be able to go right to the NBA. And, players currently can go straight to the G-League, problem is the money and exposure isn't there so nobody wants to. 

Why is the NCAA so corrupt (and it is, not saying it isn't), but the NBA isn't? Again, these are NBA sanctioned agents that are selling high school players to college coaches. NBA sanctioned agents! The one and done is an NBA rule, not an NCAA rule. Maybe the NBA should have a problem with their sanctioned agents brokering high school kids to the highest bidder?

Yes, the NCAA is corrupt, but it's quite hypocritical for anyone in the NBA to be acting all high and mighty on the problems with AAU, high school and college basketball. 

[BGleas 7,917]

This is directly from the G-League website, and has always been the case...

"Players must be 18 years old to be eligible for the NBA G League Draft, as opposed to the NBA’s age minimum of 19."

http://gleague.nba.com/faq/

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

I can see both sides of the college vs. G League. I believe what it comes down to RIGHT NOW is building a brand vs. player development.

The G League isn't anywhere close to being a brand that you will gather a following. You won't be on a national stage a few times a week or garner the hype the NCAA provides.

It could turn into a league that is a step above the farm system in baseball but will require a ton of funding. Will the NBA be able to get enough sponsors and agreement from the owners for this to happen? I have my doubts.

Like I said in a previous post, college players get more than college paid for while spending a year at a university.

At this time, the NBA doesn't look that bad in the grand scheme of this whole mess. I believe if they cooperated with the NCAA they could build a better product at both levels.


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We have 109 pages filled with back and forth about the FBI investigation. I have checked out a few of the UK Forums, and hardly a mention. There are going to be some real meltdowns when this all comes out. Start looking for Cal's name to start popping up with job openings elsewhere. Banners Down.

You gotta remember, it takes them a full day to come up with a complete sentence. And even then it's only legible to their own kind.

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[TheWatShot 14,399]

1 hour ago, Whojainjawja said:

We have 109 pages filled with back and forth about the FBI investigation. I have checked out a few of the UK Forums, and hardly a mention. There are going to be some real meltdowns when this all comes out. Start looking for Cal's name to start popping up with job openings elsewhere. Banners Down.

There have been a few mentions. Their fans are convinced Calipari would never recruit a player with eligibility concerns or anyone associated with money, and the only reason he doesn't get a player he offers is because he decides he doesn't want that recruit or another school cheats to get him.

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

1 hour ago, BGleas said:

This is directly from the G-League website, and has always been the case...

"Players must be 18 years old to be eligible for the NBA G League Draft, as opposed to the NBA’s age minimum of 19."

http://gleague.nba.com/faq/

Ok... Great. But that doesn't change the fact that the NBA is finally starting to do something with the G-League. As evidence by the mere fact that it's now, in fact, called the G-League as of 2017. Adam Silver said himself in an interview that the 18 year old rule has always been around but has never been pushed by the NBA to high-end prospects.

I'm not the first person to talk about he G-League replacing college basketball. I just think that now may be the perfect opportunity for the NBA to actually set the wheels in motion to do that.