Indiana at Virginia - Saturday 9/9 @ 3:30 ET on ESPNU

[JSHoosier 20,310]

OL still has to get better.  I think starting Ellison will help the run game a little bit.  Ramsey needs to be the starting QB going forward.

[rebelhoosier848891 9,588]

We will take the W--Looks like we will be seeing 2 quarterbacks this year and not just one. Works for me. Ramsey looks to have a bright future. Let's take the W and get back to BTown !


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[Hoosierfan2017 21,550]

I feel better about our season now. The running game is still iffy but Ellison showed some promise. The o line needs to get better. My biggest concern though is that the staff will go back to Lagow next weekend. Ramsey earned the right to start. Let Lagow control the clipboard and hope he doesn't give it to the other team. 

[JSHoosier 20,310]

1 minute ago, rebelhoosier848891 said:

We will take the W--Looks like we will be seeing 2 quarterbacks this year and not just one. Works for me. Ramsey looks to have a bright future. Let's take the W and get back to BTown !


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Let's not try that experiment again.  Role with Ramsey and let him get comfortable and in a rhythm.

[reconmkd 4,409]

Ramsey looked fairly decent in what little of the game I got to watch


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[JSHoosier 20,310]

2 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I feel better about our season now. The running game is still iffy but Ellison showed some promise. The o line needs to get better. My biggest concern though is that the staff will go back to Lagow next weekend. Ramsey earned the right to start. Let Lagow control the clipboard and hope he doesn't give it to the other team. 

Just don't have anything important on the clipboard.  That way when he turns that over we don't lose anything.

[Old Friend 8,389]

Two very different offensive game plans with 2 very different quarterbacks.  One played poorly, the other had a nice start and brought a very needed burst of energy.  Virginia was prepared for one QB; not the other.   Indiana's defense and special teams won that one.  When you have 2 QB's, you really don't have one.  Ramsey is clearly far more athletic with his legs, but he was not asked to make the throws Lagow was asked to make.  Completely different playbook.  

Lagow was bad.  No question.  I just hope the coaches don't think Ramsey is the answer.  He's a little better than Diamont, but not that much.   Teams who prepare for him will take away what he does well.   

[Hoosierfan2017 21,550]

1 minute ago, Old Friend said:

Two very different offensive game plans with 2 very different quarterbacks.  One played poorly, the other had a nice start and brought a very needed burst of energy.  Virginia was prepared for one QB; not the other.   Indiana's defense and special teams won that one.  When you have 2 QB's, you really don't have one.  Ramsey is clearly far more athletic with his legs, but he was not asked to make the throws Lagow was asked to make.  Completely different playbook.  

Lagow was bad.  No question.  I just hope the coaches don't think Ramsey is the answer.  He's a little better than Diamont, but not that much.   Teams who prepare for him will take away what he does well.   

I think we watched two completely different games... 

[rogue3542 22]

After watching the game, I think Ramsey is the real deal, and he made some really good throws without turning it over or forcing it, too.

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

5 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Two very different offensive game plans with 2 very different quarterbacks.  One played poorly, the other had a nice start and brought a very needed burst of energy.  Virginia was prepared for one QB; not the other.   Indiana's defense and special teams won that one.  When you have 2 QB's, you really don't have one.  Ramsey is clearly far more athletic with his legs, but he was not asked to make the throws Lagow was asked to make.  Completely different playbook.  

Lagow was bad.  No question.  I just hope the coaches don't think Ramsey is the answer.  He's a little better than Diamont, but not that much.   Teams who prepare for him will take away what he does well.   

You were one that was pro Lagow after last week. This statement is absurd. Diamont had the body of a high school WR. Much better than Diamont at this point in time. He actually looked comfortable where Diamont never did. The pro Lagow folks can eat crow and I hope they are happy with what Ramsey brought to the table. I just want IU to do well but Ramsey gives them so much more than what Lagow can. 

[JSHoosier 20,310]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I think we watched two completely different games... 

Diamont never showed a fraction of the passing ability that Ramsey did, even with defenses selling out to stop the run.

Ramsey can certainly improve, but he was looked better than Lagow and not even comparable to Diamont.

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1 minute ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

You were one that was pro Lagow after last year. This statement is absurd. Diamont had the body of a high school WR. Much better than Diamont at this point in time. He actually looked comfortable where Diamont never did. 

Yeah, he's much better than Diamont. Diamont isn't making that throw to Hale for the TD.

[JSHoosier 20,310]

Just now, VO5 said:

Yeah, he's much better than Diamont. Diamont isn't making that throw to Hale for the TD.

Diamont wasn't making most of the throws Ramsey did.  He showed practically nothing as a passer; he was as one dimensional as it gets and if a QB is one dimensional that dimension needs to be passing.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,550]

2 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Diamont never showed a fraction of the passing ability that Ramsey did, even with defenses selling out to stop the run.

Ramsey can certainly improve, but he was looked better than Lagow and not even comparable to Diamont.

I think some people are forgetting just how bad Zander was at throwing the football. They want to make a comparison between the two just because they both can run. Beyond that there's not much of a comparison at all. 

[Magnanimous 4,608]

9 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

Two very different offensive game plans with 2 very different quarterbacks.  One played poorly, the other had a nice start and brought a very needed burst of energy.  Virginia was prepared for one QB; not the other.   Indiana's defense and special teams won that one.  When you have 2 QB's, you really don't have one.  Ramsey is clearly far more athletic with his legs, but he was not asked to make the throws Lagow was asked to make.  Completely different playbook.  

Lagow was bad.  No question.  I just hope the coaches don't think Ramsey is the answer.  He's a little better than Diamont, but not that much.   Teams who prepare for him will take away what he does well.   

Ramsey opens up the run game with his option ability. Lagow isn't leading IU to anything of substance his year.

[JSHoosier 20,310]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I think some people are forgetting just how bad Zander was at throwing the football. They want to make a comparison between the two just because they both can run. Beyond that there's not much of a comparison at all. 

Some overrated him when he was here.  Throws that should be pretty routine at this level were far from it with him.

[Old Friend 8,389]

2 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

You were one that was pro Lagow after last week. This statement is absurd. Diamont had the body of a high school WR. Much better than Diamont at this point in time. He actually looked comfortable where Diamont never did. The pro Lagow folks can eat crow and I hope they are happy with what Ramsey brought to the table. I just want IU to do well but Ramsey gives them so much more than what Lagow can. 

I said give Lagow a week or two....and he made NFL throws a week ago against the #2 team in the country.  Not like being "pro Lagow" was that outlandish.   I disagree with you that Ramsey gives them so much more than Lagow can.  His arm's not close; and you can take away that read option very easily.  This is not Randle El we're dealing with.  

I think you WAY over estimate what Ramsey is right now because he looked good against a defense clearly ill prepared for his skill set. You think he does that against WIsconsin when they're prepared for him?   I think UVA was not prepared to play against the read option or a screen game, and the coaches made a great decision making the change.   Ramsey averaged 8 yards per attempt, and a lot was after the catch.  That's very average; and he made only one or two difficult throws.  Very different playbook than Lagow had, and that's just truth.  

They're gonna' need both QB's this season, and I would simply tell you if you believe Ramsey is the answer and Lagow just needs to sit, I think you're wrong.  I'm not gonna' argue with you. Lagow was bad today.  No doubt.  But they're going to need him down the road.

[JSHoosier 20,310]

2 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Ramsey opens up the run game with his option ability. Lagow isn't leading IU to anything of substance his year.

Eh, the run game struggles extend beyond Lagow being a pocket passer; actually I'd put that lower on the list.  Number one the offensive line needs to do better at opening lanes.  There are other ways for a QB to help open the run game than being able to scramble.

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

4 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

I said give Lagow a week or two....and he made NFL throws a week ago against the #2 team in the country.  Not like being "pro Lagow" was that outlandish.   I disagree with you that Ramsey gives them so much more than Lagow can.  His arm's not close; and you can take away that read option very easily.  This is not Randle El we're dealing with.  

I think you WAY over estimate what Ramsey is right now because he looked good against a defense clearly ill prepared for his skill set. You think he does that against WIsconsin when they're prepared for him?   I think UVA was not prepared to play against the read option or a screen game, and the coaches made a great decision making the change.   Ramsey averaged 8 yards per attempt, and a lot was after the catch.  That's very average; and he made only one or two difficult throws.  Very different playbook than Lagow had, and that's just truth.  

They're gonna' need both QB's this season, and I would simply tell you if you believe Ramsey is the answer and Lagow just needs to sit, I think you're wrong.  I'm not gonna' argue with you. Lagow was bad today.  No doubt.  But they're going to need him down the road.

I agree with this a lot more than comparing Ramsey to Diamont in your previous post. Yes, Lagow has the better arm but I feel that Ramsey being able to run is so much more valuable than sacrificing some arm strength based on the fact that there isn't much run game in general and you can't be one dimensional against good teams. I think we do see Lagow this year. At the same time, if Ramsey can provide value and is even close to Lagow you have to go with him b/c he is the future where Lagow has 10 games left. 

[Miller'sTheMan 1,652]

Ramsey was rolling to his right and threw a 40 yard pass exactly where it should have been to Hale for a TD.

Comparing him to Zander is absurd.