2018 General Recruiting Thread

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,887]

If they get Hunter, that will be fairly impressive work. Up to 47 or so on Rivals and rising.

Guess we just have to see where we end up. Hunter for me was less than Bazley but seems to be a pretty good alternative.



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[Stuhoo 85,667]

3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

A couple services have Torrance Watson as high as #56 including ESPN I believe. Composite ranking is currently #100. Solid recruit, not one to scoff at.


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Agree that he's solid and nothing more. I don't know if it still holds true, but ESPN has always been the least reliable of the rating services. If his composite was bumped up to #100 by an outlier ESPN ranking, that probably means he averaged about #120 from Rivals, Scout, and 247.

 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 87,819]

R. J. Barrett is the Canadian kid that smoked Calipari and the USA team this past weekend in the FIBA U19 World Cup.  The first time I've seen our name mentioned in connection with his recruitment.

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Why potential No 1 pick in 2019 NBA Draft won’t play AAU ball this month

R.J. Barrett is in the conversation for the best high school basketball player on the planet, but you won’t find him playing at any AAU event during the recruiting frenzy of July.

After leading Canada to a gold medal in the FIBA U19 World Cup on Sunday in Egypt, the 6-foot-7 guard will shut it down for the remainder of the month and then announce his decision about reclassification sometime in August.

“He won’t be playing anymore, he’s going to shut it down right now physically,” Rowan Barrett, R.J.’s father and the Executive Vice President and Assistant General Manager of Canada Basketball, told FanRagSports.com Tuesday by phone.

A native of Mississauga, Ontario, Barrett earned MVP honors at the World Cup after averaging 21.6 points, 8.3 rebounds and 4.6 assists per game. In the semifinals against Kentucky head coach John Calipari and the United States, Barrett went off for 38 points, 13 rebounds and five assists in a 99-87 victory for Canada. He then followed that with 18 points, 12 rebounds and 4 assists in a 79-60 win over Italy in the gold medal game.

Barrett’s latest accomplishment with his team brought national glory to Canada, which had never won a gold medal in basketball at any level before. He was previously named MVP of the Basketball Without Borders Camp at the NBA All-Star Game, where he impressed numerous NBA personnel.

Had Barrett’s AAU team, UPlay Canada, qualified for this week’s Peach Jam, he might have competed there, but instead he’ll continue to rest. He may make an appearance at the UPlay Signature Camp July 29-30 in Toronto, but he won’t play there.

“I just wish he was in Peach Jam, I would like to see him go against some of those guys,” said UPlay Canada coach Dwayne Washington, Barrett’s AAU coach.

“He’s going to rest a little bit and then he’s going to be training and working on his skills and his body,” Rowan Barrett said.

As one would expect, a ton of coaches have reached out to both Rowan Barrett and to Washington.

“Yeah, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Oregon, Texas, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, USC, those have been probably the ones that have been most constant,” Rowan said.

Said Washington: “All the bluebloods. It’s Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, Michigan, Oregon, Texas, UCLA and UNLV, and that’s it.”

The elder Barrett said no college visits have yet been planned.

“We are debating that right now, just trying to figure out some travel,” he said. “We’re trying to look at potentially having him go on the West Coast for a little bit to do some training, and if we do that then we might stop out there and then whatever’s close to here. We’re not trying to make that an objective right now.”

That could mean visits to some combination of Arizona, UCLA, USC and Oregon later this summer. Oregon, in particular, has a strong recent history of Canadian players, including Dillon Brooks, Dylan Ennis and Chris Boucher.

Meantime, Barrett has always intended to announce his decision on reclassification in August. Several notable Canadians have opted to re-class ahead a year after attending school in the U.S., including former No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins, against whom Barrett has played one-on-one and with whom he has been compared.

“When the EYBL season and the Canadian team competition is over, I will sit down sometime in August with my dad and discuss the possibilities of re-classifying to the senior class,” Barrett previously told ESPN. “I understand that it’s a big jump, but I am open to the possibilities both academically and athletically.”

Rowan Barrett said August is still the plan.

“Yeah, we’re going to have something coming out right at the beginning of August there,” he said. “We’re going to make it clear what we’re going to do. We know what we want to do and we think it’s fair for everyone to know what we want. We talked about it. He just went away, now he’s back and we want to make sure that he’s still feeling the way that he is, and then we’ll come out and make a choice. And I want to do that in a very, very planned way.”

Assuming Barrett does re-class, he would join a loaded Class of 2018 that currently has Marvin Bagley Jr., Zion Williamson and Bol Bol sitting atop the rankings.

Barrett would then be eligible for the 2019 NBA Draft after a one-and-done year someplace. His high school coach, Kevin Boyle of Montverde (FL) Academy, has coached numerous No. 1 and lottery picks, including Ben Simmons, Kyrie Irving and D’Angelo Russell. He believes Barrett should be in the conversation for No. 1.

“He showed he could step up against the best players in the world,” Boyle told ZAGSBLOG. “I’ve said all along he’s the No. 1 pick in the draft.”

Washington said Barrett would be especially motivated to become the third No. 1 pick from Canada following Anthony Bennett and Wiggins.

“If he re-classes, he’s going to be with Bagley and Zion Williamson, I think he should be [No.] 1 but I’m biased,” he said. “I think somebody like him, if he goes like 3 or 4 [in the Draft], that would eat him up his whole career and he will use that as fire.

“So personally I know how he thinks. He’s like a Kobe, his mentality is very serious. He’s 27 years old mentally. I think he could be [No.] 1. I think his performance is going to render that he should be 1. All things being even, I believe that he’s right there… I know that R.J.’s not that concerned with that right now, R.J.’s just concerned with being his best. And his best is pretty high.”

[goonaha 2,974]

6 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

R. J. Barrett is the Canadian kid that smoked Calipari and the USA team this past weekend in the FIBA U19 World Cup.  The first time I've seen our name mentioned in connection with his recruitment.

NBA

Why potential No 1 pick in 2019 NBA Draft won’t play AAU ball this month

R.J. Barrett is in the conversation for the best high school basketball player on the planet, but you won’t find him playing at any AAU event during the recruiting frenzy of July.

After leading Canada to a gold medal in the FIBA U19 World Cup on Sunday in Egypt, the 6-foot-7 guard will shut it down for the remainder of the month and then announce his decision about reclassification sometime in August.

“He won’t be playing anymore, he’s going to shut it down right now physically,” Rowan Barrett, R.J.’s father and the Executive Vice President and Assistant General Manager of Canada Basketball, told FanRagSports.com Tuesday by phone.

A native of Mississauga, Ontario, Barrett earned MVP honors at the World Cup after averaging 21.6 points, 8.3 rebounds and 4.6 assists per game. In the semifinals against Kentucky head coach John Calipari and the United States, Barrett went off for 38 points, 13 rebounds and five assists in a 99-87 victory for Canada. He then followed that with 18 points, 12 rebounds and 4 assists in a 79-60 win over Italy in the gold medal game.

Barrett’s latest accomplishment with his team brought national glory to Canada, which had never won a gold medal in basketball at any level before. He was previously named MVP of the Basketball Without Borders Camp at the NBA All-Star Game, where he impressed numerous NBA personnel.

Had Barrett’s AAU team, UPlay Canada, qualified for this week’s Peach Jam, he might have competed there, but instead he’ll continue to rest. He may make an appearance at the UPlay Signature Camp July 29-30 in Toronto, but he won’t play there.

“I just wish he was in Peach Jam, I would like to see him go against some of those guys,” said UPlay Canada coach Dwayne Washington, Barrett’s AAU coach.

“He’s going to rest a little bit and then he’s going to be training and working on his skills and his body,” Rowan Barrett said.

As one would expect, a ton of coaches have reached out to both Rowan Barrett and to Washington.

“Yeah, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UCLA, Oregon, Texas, Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, USC, those have been probably the ones that have been most constant,” Rowan said.

Said Washington: “All the bluebloods. It’s Kansas, Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, Michigan, Oregon, Texas, UCLA and UNLV, and that’s it.”

The elder Barrett said no college visits have yet been planned.

“We are debating that right now, just trying to figure out some travel,” he said. “We’re trying to look at potentially having him go on the West Coast for a little bit to do some training, and if we do that then we might stop out there and then whatever’s close to here. We’re not trying to make that an objective right now.”

That could mean visits to some combination of Arizona, UCLA, USC and Oregon later this summer. Oregon, in particular, has a strong recent history of Canadian players, including Dillon Brooks, Dylan Ennis and Chris Boucher.

Meantime, Barrett has always intended to announce his decision on reclassification in August. Several notable Canadians have opted to re-class ahead a year after attending school in the U.S., including former No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins, against whom Barrett has played one-on-one and with whom he has been compared.

“When the EYBL season and the Canadian team competition is over, I will sit down sometime in August with my dad and discuss the possibilities of re-classifying to the senior class,” Barrett previously told ESPN. “I understand that it’s a big jump, but I am open to the possibilities both academically and athletically.”

Rowan Barrett said August is still the plan.

“Yeah, we’re going to have something coming out right at the beginning of August there,” he said. “We’re going to make it clear what we’re going to do. We know what we want to do and we think it’s fair for everyone to know what we want. We talked about it. He just went away, now he’s back and we want to make sure that he’s still feeling the way that he is, and then we’ll come out and make a choice. And I want to do that in a very, very planned way.”

Assuming Barrett does re-class, he would join a loaded Class of 2018 that currently has Marvin Bagley Jr., Zion Williamson and Bol Bol sitting atop the rankings.

Barrett would then be eligible for the 2019 NBA Draft after a one-and-done year someplace. His high school coach, Kevin Boyle of Montverde (FL) Academy, has coached numerous No. 1 and lottery picks, including Ben Simmons, Kyrie Irving and D’Angelo Russell. He believes Barrett should be in the conversation for No. 1.

“He showed he could step up against the best players in the world,” Boyle told ZAGSBLOG. “I’ve said all along he’s the No. 1 pick in the draft.”

Washington said Barrett would be especially motivated to become the third No. 1 pick from Canada following Anthony Bennett and Wiggins.

“If he re-classes, he’s going to be with Bagley and Zion Williamson, I think he should be [No.] 1 but I’m biased,” he said. “I think somebody like him, if he goes like 3 or 4 [in the Draft], that would eat him up his whole career and he will use that as fire.

“So personally I know how he thinks. He’s like a Kobe, his mentality is very serious. He’s 27 years old mentally. I think he could be [No.] 1. I think his performance is going to render that he should be 1. All things being even, I believe that he’s right there… I know that R.J.’s not that concerned with that right now, R.J.’s just concerned with being his best. And his best is pretty high.”

I like his dad more than his AAU coach. I don't think AAU coach quite understands what a blue blood is. Kind of odd that they didn't mention the same schools. 

[Hoosierfan2017 23,441]

3 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said:

We aren't getting crystal ball picks in basketball or football. Easy to say that IU and PU are the least sexy schools in the Midwest. Even UK kills us in recruiting in pretty much every sport.

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Purdue looks very sexy.  

[mdn82 25,782]

Here is the Ying to the Yang ho hum feeling around here that we haven't got 3 5* yet. I do think the feeling should ultimately be in between their take and the pessimistic feeling on recruiting here.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/07/10/what-to-watch-for-july-evaluation-period-4/



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[recker222000 1,010]

Here is the Ying to the Yang ho hum feeling around here that we haven't got 3 5* yet. I do think the feeling should ultimately be in between their take and the pessimistic feeling on recruiting here.

http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/07/10/what-to-watch-for-july-evaluation-period-4/



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I hope we get somebody soon. We will be ok next year but getting worried about 2018. We need some impact players.

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[mdn82 25,782]

I hope we get somebody soon. We will be ok next year but getting worried about 2018. We need some impact players.

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I definitely agree.


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[MikeRoberts 7,654]

I definitely agree.


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We will be fine if we can even snag 2 4* guys and bank the rest. That will add a little talent to the roster, give us a few bodies and not waste ships/make classes crazy uneven


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[Chris007 55,559]

4 hours ago, recker222000 said:

I hope we get somebody soon. We will be ok next year but getting worried about 2018. We need some impact players.

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No reason to start worrying yet. If the calendar says September 15th and we haven't got a recruit yet than worry. But Archie is not going to get flustered and reach for a kid to just get a commit like the previous staff did. If we don't get who we want than we will hold onto the scholarship for next year. The 19 class is much better anyways. We have also handed 9 scholarship offers for the 19 class with I think all of them being 4 star or 5 star. We're fine don't panic.  

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,302]

Keep my hopes up chris007!

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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,887]

If we end up with a Phinisee, Aaron Henry, Race Thompson class it would be fair to worry IMO.


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[Stuhoo 85,667]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If we end up with a Phinisee, Aaron Henry, Race Thompson class it would be fair to worry IMO.


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Agreed, but no reason to believe that will be the entirety of the 18 class. I think those players are all reasonable gets and entirely possible as part of the class though. 

 

[Chris007 55,559]

4 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If we end up with a Phinisee, Aaron Henry, Race Thompson class it would be fair to worry IMO.


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Two 4 stars and a 3 star. Not a home run but a start. But I understand what your saying.

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,887]

Two 4 stars and a 3 star. Not a home run but a start. But I understand what your saying.

Two low end 4 stars (80-130) and a low end 3 star isn't going to deliver what Glass and Archie want. Nearly every B1G school is recruiting at that level.

UK outrecruits the SEC.
Kansas out recruits the B12
UCLA and Arizona outrecruit the Pac12
Duke outrecruits the ACC with UNC and Louisville right in there.

We need to recruit at a much higher level than 2 low end 4 stars and a low end three star to compete.


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[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If we end up with a Phinisee, Aaron Henry, Race Thompson class it would be fair to worry IMO.


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That would be very discouraging especially with the assistants Archie put around him. We may not get Romeo or Garland but have a feeling over the next few month or two some additional big names might appear and I do think we can nab a Dort, Jerome Hunter or Carey. 

[Chris007 55,559]

1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Two low end 4 stars (80-130) and a low end 3 star isn't going to deliver what Glass and Archie want. Nearly every B1G school is recruiting at that level.

UK outrecruits the SEC.
Kansas out recruits the B12
UCLA and Arizona outrecruit the Pac12
Duke outrecruits the ACC with UNC and Louisville right in there.

We need to recruit at a much higher level than 2 low end 4 stars and a low end three star to compete.


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I hope people don't expect him to recruit with UK, KU, UCLA and Duke 4 months into the job. I think we will be closer to them next year. But again I see what you are saying and agree with it. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 49,887]

 

Agreed, but no reason to believe that will be the entirety of the 18 class. I think those players are all reasonable gets and entirely possible as part of the class though. 

 

Add that to Romeo and that helps, but Romeo can't do it by himself.

 

His matchup vs Kris Wilkes showed that this past year. Romeo is going to want to be surrounded by talent. This proposed class may not be that enticing to him.

 

 

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[WayneFleekHoosier 49,887]

I hope people don't expect him to recruit with UK, KU, UCLA and Duke 4 months into the job. I think we will be closer to them next year. But again I see what you are saying and agree with it. 

Agree, but that is the level we need to achieve to compete for the goals we've described.

Today's society is looking for instant impact and immediate results. I'm a little more reasonable than that, but we need to see some signs of good recruiting wins early IMO.


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[Brass Cannon 25,176]

7 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I hope people don't expect him to recruit with UK, KU, UCLA and Duke 4 months into the job. I think we will be closer to them next year. But again I see what you are saying and agree with it. 

Kansas is the model I would like to emulate most directly there tbh.  How they recruit is perfect