Brass Cannon Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said: And reality is college basketball as a whole sees iu still as a blue blood. You should of said u care about results Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners We don't recruit like a blue blood. We don't win like a blue. We cant even win the recruiting battles when the kids dream of going to IU their whole lives. We aren't one anymore and it's mostly the fault of the people that were so afraid of change we settled for mediocrity. ALASKA HOOSIER 1 Quote
Hoosier Guy Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said: So 30 years of little to no success and we are still a blue blood but 35 and we aren't? If the kids you are recruiting can't remember you being relevant year in and year out you aren't still a blue blood. I'm starting from the 21st century, so 2000. The last seven years of RMK weren't great but IU was still a highly thought of program. A blue blood is who makes the sport better. IU still makes the sport better when they're good. It's the same with Duke, UNC, Kansas and UK. Those are the five blue blood programs. A great coach can change a lot of things. IU gets Stevens, Donovan, Archie Miller, Chris Holtman, etc., IU will be good year in and year out once again. Preferably with Stevens because he is the best coach on IUs list and would instantly change the vibe and culture around Bloomington and the program in general. But to your first point, I would say IU hasn't been great for 17 years Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 So 30 years of little to no success and we are still a blue blood but 35 and we aren't? If the kids you are recruiting can't remember you being relevant year in and year out you aren't still a blue blood. Nope we will still be a blue blood 40 years from now in the eyes of the college basketball community. Maybe the kids won't remember them being relevant but they are a blue blood. As long as your program has won the NCAA championship tied for 3rd most in history of the sport then I'm sure no one is going to come and take their blue blood card. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Josh, thebigweave, IUsafety and 1 other 4 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 We don't recruit like a blue blood. We don't win like a blue. We cant even win the recruiting battles when the kids dream of going to IU their whole lives. We aren't one anymore and it's mostly the fault of the people that were so afraid of change we settled for mediocrity. Regardless the college basketball community views IU as such. Should I listen to you on a message board or listen to people within the college basketball world? No offense Brass but I'm going to go with the college basketball communitySent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
mdn82 Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 So 30 years of little to no success and we are still a blue blood but 35 and we aren't? If the kids you are recruiting can't remember you being relevant year in and year out you aren't still a blue blood. Not sure that is a measure I would use. A kid we are recruiting could have like 8 years of experience truly watching basketball. Being a blueblood is a historical thing. Being elite is current. We aren't elite.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app HoosierTrav and thebigweave 2 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 I'm starting from the 21st century, so 2000. The last seven years of RMK weren't great but IU was still a highly thought of program. A blue blood is who makes the sport better. IU still makes the sport better when they're good. It's the same with Duke, UNC, Kansas and UK. Those are the five blue blood programs. A great coach can change a lot of things. IU gets Stevens, Donovan, Archie Miller, Chris Holtman, etc., IU will be good year in and year out once again. Preferably with Stevens because he is the best coach on IUs list and would instantly change the vibe and culture around Bloomington and the program in general. But to your first point, I would say IU hasn't been great for 17 yearsUCLA as well Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 Not sure that is a measure I would use. A kid we are recruiting could have like 8 years of experience truly watching basketball. Being a blueblood is a historical thing. Being elite is current. We aren't elite.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appVery well said Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
Hoosier Guy Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: UCLA as well Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners I would still classify them as well Quote
Brass Cannon Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 6 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: Regardless the college basketball community views IU as such. Should I listen to you on a message board or listen to people within the college basketball world? No offense Brass but I'm going to go with the college basketball community Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners The basketball community doesn't view us as that. The old fogeys that do broadcasting might but talk to other fan bases no other fanbase thinks we are blue blood. Maybe UCLA because they are in a similar boat. Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 The basketball community doesn't view us as that. The old fogeys that do broadcasting might but talk to other fan bases no other fanbase thinks we are blue blood. Maybe UCLA because they are in a similar boat. I don't give a crap about other fan bases Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
Brass Cannon Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, mdn82 said: Not sure that is a measure I would use. A kid we are recruiting could have like 8 years of experience truly watching basketball. Being a blueblood is a historical thing. Being elite is current. We aren't elite. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app That's different. It is literally impossible for a kid we recruit to remember us being relevant. We aren't relevant let alone elite. Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 Today in worthless BTB arguments...Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app CrossboneIU22, thebigweave and HooHooHoo22 3 Quote
BlueDevil Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 The basketball community doesn't view us as that. The old fogeys that do broadcasting might but talk to other fan bases no other fanbase thinks we are blue blood. Maybe UCLA because they are in a similar boat. When you look at the all time great programs IU is certainly on the list. Sure IU isn't elite and not really relevant on the national level but anyone who says they aren't a blue blood anymore is a fool. I rag on IU to my dad all the time but I certainly still have them as an all time great program. You don't just stop being a blue blood. They have earned that status even though they haven't been relevant for awhile.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
Hoosier Guy Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said: That's different. It is literally impossible for a kid we recruit to remember us being relevant. We aren't relevant let alone elite. IU isn't elite by any means. This is very true and has been for a while. But IU is absolutely still relevant. People still keep tabs on IU Quote
Brass Cannon Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said: I don't give a crap about other fan bases Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Then why did you say you cared what the basketball community says? People need to accept if our fanbase is the only one calling us a blue blood. It's more likely our fanbase is delusional than everybody else is wrong. As soon as you accept mediocrity you stop being a blue blood. We accepted mediocrity about 20 years ago. Quote
Brass Cannon Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Hoosier Guy said: IU isn't elite by any means. This is very true and has been for a while. But IU is absolutely still relevant. People still keep tabs on IU Not even close to the way they do UK, Duke, UNC hooker U and Kansas. Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 Then why did you say you cared what the basketball community says? People need to accept if our fanbase is the only one calling us a blue blood. It's more likely our fanbase is delusional than everybody else is wrong. As soon as you accept mediocrity you stop being a blue blood. We accepted mediocrity about 20 years ago. When I said basketball community I meant the people that actually matter like other head coaches, assistant coaches, AD, media. Sorry for the confusion. I don't really care that orange crazy person Illinois fan on Illinois loyality doesn't view iu's program as a blue blood Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 Not even close to the way they do UK, Duke, UNC hooker U and Kansas. Interesting then that jerry Meyer has a Facebook live Q and A on Indiana recruiting all the time because he knows the fan base is there and he takes advantage of it. ( the only other teams he does that for are Duke, North Carolina, Kansas and Kentucky. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
IUHAHN81 Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 "The bottom line is we hafta play faster." Quote
Uspshoosier Posted January 31, 2017 Posted January 31, 2017 Then why did you say you cared what the basketball community says? People need to accept if our fanbase is the only one calling us a blue blood. It's more likely our fanbase is delusional than everybody else is wrong. As soon as you accept mediocrity you stop being a blue blood. We accepted mediocrity about 20 years ago. Sounds to me like you are too worried about what other fan bases view IU instead of what coaches, scouts, and other people in the business view IUSent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
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