TOM CREAN FIRED

[All_Hoosiers 873]

Bad coach or not, Tom Crean can only do so much with a soft, broken team.


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[Ryno6284 2,939]

Bad coach or not, Tom Crean can only do so much with a soft, broken team.


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That he constructed?!

[mdn82 25,546]

I feel coach Crean does not have the knowledge to teach fundamentals or a structured offense. I also feel he is too arrogant to admit any weakness on his part. Because he came here when others shied away I would give him another year. But if he does not make significant changes in philosophy buy him out after 2015. How can this coach not realize what an opportunity he has here. Simply ask for help or study successful coaches. If he does not he will lose the best job he ever had. Pride is an affliction that can blind one to reality. It is not too late coach. But it is your choice to make.

 Welcome to the site, and excellent 1st post.  I can definitely see where you are coming from, and I am similar in position to you.  I do differ that Crean does have the knowledge to teach fundamentals, he just doesn't.  Its not something he looks at.  He tries overanalyzing everything to the point where some of these "simpler" things get lost, and could save him and his players a lot of issues.  I think that is the biggest thing with this team.  Only a couple of players have solid basic fundamentals.  It doesn't even look like street ball anymore.  It looks like 5 individuals without a plan after the first couple of minutes.  Once IU gets punched in the mouth, they vary away from what they are doing.  Not saying what they are doing would get us to victory, but it is obvious when they do it.  

[mdn82 25,546]

Watching their body language and interactions with each other yesterday led me to the conclusion that the locker room is broken. That's one I didn't need Crean to spell out for me.

 

I felt the same yesterday.  Unfortunately.  I haven't seen that at IU in a while.  I am kind of worried for the summer to see where we go heading into next season.  

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="Ryno6284" post="39981" timestamp="1392573059"]That he constructed?![/quote]

Unfortunately, yes, he constructed a soft team. I'm sure he didn't believe they would be so soft and broken, however.


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[Ryno6284 2,939]

Unfortunately, yes, he constructed a soft team. I'm sure he didn't believe they would be so soft and broken, however.


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I don't want to talk about firing a coach during the season either.  Do I think CTC is the long term answer for us, I sure as hell wish, but I just don't see it.  We have seen the same terminal mistakes over and over the past several years, and that scares me.  But to call for his head right now is ridiculous IMHO! 

 

WE ARE ALL FRUSTRATED!

[JSHoosier 20,703]

He doesn't get a pass, but to suggest firing just one year after what he's done is absurd.

And I don't think it's fair to say the team hasn't improved. It's easy to look good against a Chicago State, but appearance against the Big Ten is different. It's like when people confuse athleticism for "talent." People confuse the team looking amazing against Cupcake U and not so amazing against a top 25 team as "not improving."

I'm not saying the team has made leaps and bounds, but you can't sit there and honestly believe they've gotten worse.


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The talent is there though, it's just not polished.  Developing a player doesn't mean you make them more talented, it means you polished the talent that was already there.  That's what happened with Vic, he didn't magically become more talented the talent he possessed became more polished.  The talent has to be there or there's nothing to work with and thus nothing to develop.

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="39994" timestamp="1392574992"]The talent is there though, it's just not polished. Developing a player doesn't mean you make them more talented, it means you polished the talent that was already there. That's what happened with Vic, he didn't magically become more talented the talent he possessed became more polished. The talent has to be there or there's nothing to work with and thus nothing to develop.[/quote]

There's a lot of polishing to do. Right now, the entire team is all potential and athleticism.


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[JSHoosier 20,703]

There's a lot of polishing to do. Right now, the entire team is all potential and athleticism.


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Agreed, but that doesn't mean the talent isn't there.  It has to be there or there's no potential.  I was referencing your line of confusing athleticism with talent, which isn't really true because the talent is there.

[Rayl 527]

For those who are on the "Fire Crean" train, I have a question for you: How does IU do it money-wise?

 

No one outside the IU inner circle seems to know how much Crean's buyout is but everyone tends to agree it is huge and will remain so for another 2 or 3 seasons. So how does IU "let him go" ( i.e. fire him ), pay his buyout, and find the money to hire a top-level coach to replace him? IU doesn't appear to be rolling in the dough these days.

 

Would someone like Cuban or Mellencamp help out? Are either one of them Crean fans?

 

His buyout after this season is supposedly $14 million. There is some debate about that.

 

On another site, someone posted that he was told by someone in the know that the money from the big donors is there to buy out Crean, but only under the condition that Glass goes too and that the next coach has to be an Indiana guy.

 

I can't emphasize enough: that is a rumor and completely unsubstantiated. It kind of has a ring of truth to it as far as what kind of conditions the money would come with, but it could be BS.

[Hovadipo 57,337]

[quote name="Rayl" post="40011" timestamp="1392576817"]His buyout after this season is supposedly $14 million. There is some debate about that.

On another site, someone posted that he was told by someone in the know that the money from the big donors is there to buy out Crean, but only under the condition that Glass goes too and that the next coach has to be an Indiana guy.

I can't emphasize enough: that is a rumor and completely unsubstantiated. It kind of has a ring of truth to it as far as what kind of conditions the money would come with, but it could be BS.[/quote]

That sucks because Glass isn't the problem. He is a good AD from what I can tell.


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[JSHoosier 20,703]

That sucks because Glass isn't the problem. He is a good AD from what I can tell.


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I'd agree Glass is a good AD, just made an unbelievably stupid decision with Crean contract.  That happens sometimes, but it's difficult to stomach.

[Hoosierhoopster60 0]

Last year's defeat to Syracuse has still left a bad taste in my mouth and now we have players getting arrested??     UGH!!   This doesn't look good for coach Crean.   I don't think he instills discipline..

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

For those who are on the "Fire Crean" train, I have a question for you: How does IU do it money-wise?

 

No one outside the IU inner circle seems to know how much Crean's buyout is but everyone tends to agree it is huge and will remain so for another 2 or 3 seasons. So how does IU "let him go" ( i.e. fire him ), pay his buyout, and find the money to hire a top-level coach to replace him? IU doesn't appear to be rolling in the dough these days.

 

Would someone like Cuban or Mellencamp help out? Are either one of them Crean fans?

Its not a inner circle thing, CTC is a state employee and his contract is a matter of public record. I can't find a link online, but I have seen it before. Here is a link that tells the pertinent details:  http://latenighthoops.com/crean-buyout/#.UwEQUmJdVA0

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

His buyout after this season is supposedly $14 million. There is some debate about that.

 

On another site, someone posted that he was told by someone in the know that the money from the big donors is there to buy out Crean, but only under the condition that Glass goes too and that the next coach has to be an Indiana guy.

 

I can't emphasize enough: that is a rumor and completely unsubstantiated. It kind of has a ring of truth to it as far as what kind of conditions the money would come with, but it could be BS.

I wouldn't be willing to accept that if hiring a "Indiana" guy is a requirement. I would hope we would make the best hire we could.

[Rayl 527]

That sucks because Glass isn't the problem. He is a good AD from what I can tell.


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I completely agree. I don't think there is anything to worry about though. We are not going to fire Crean a year after our first outright conference title in two decades and being ranked number 1 for most of the season. I also doubt that the university would allow donors to dictate terms at this point, especially in regard to Glass. Now, if next season doesn't get a lot better, things might change on either the donors' part or the school's. But, that's getting ahead of ourselves a bit.

[Hovadipo 57,337]

[quote name="Rayl" post="40030" timestamp="1392579088"]I completely agree. I don't think there is anything to worry about though. We are not going to fire Crean a year after our first outright conference title in two decades and being ranked number 1 for most of the season. I also doubt that the university would allow donors to dictate terms at this point, especially in regard to Glass. Now, if next season doesn't get a lot better, things might change on either the donors' part or the school's. But, that's getting ahead of ourselves a bit.[/quote]

Agreed. Firing him this year would be a little irrational. Not because he "brought us back", most people are over that, but because no one is giving him a chance with this team. See if he can develop the talent that is there. Even if Noah leaves, I see him picking up someone to soften that blow. If we hover around or below .500 next year, let's consider then.


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[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="40005" timestamp="1392576129"]Agreed, but that doesn't mean the talent isn't there. It has to be there or there's no potential. I was referencing your line of confusing athleticism with talent, which isn't really true because the talent is there.[/quote]

I get what you're saying. I know there's talent there, loads of potential, but it'll be a few more months to a year before we actually see a lot of it.


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[HoosierReb01 7,511]

Last year's defeat to Syracuse has still left a bad taste in my mouth and now we have players getting arrested??     UGH!!   This doesn't look good for coach Crean.   I don't think he instills discipline..

Nobody questioned that RMK was a disciplinarian, but he had players get arrested. It might not be right to excuse it because they are "just kids", but it is a big reality of that age group, and often older ones.

[HoosierReb01 7,511]

That's interesting. The buyout numbers for Crean from that link come from a "consulting firm" called "Pleasant Avenue Athletics". I seached for information about the firm and found nothing. Does anyone know if "Pleasant Avenue Athletics" is a legit company? Just curious.

I find nothing on them either. However, the numbers in the article seem to be exact to what I read in the contract, so I believe that info to be correct. Any further than that I don't know. Will search a bit more.