Troy Williams Decision

[X-Hoosier 529]

Cody was not a lock for the lottery after his freshmen year. He had a chance, but wasn't a lock. The reason he went from mid-first rounder to lottery lock in 2013 was because 2013 is going to go down as one of the worst drafts in the history of the NBA. It's a horrendous draft. In most drafts Cody is a late lottery to mid first rounder. I think C.J. McCollum is the best player from that draft. There might not be a single All-Star, it was an historically bad draft. 

Cody was a lock. He was considered the #1 or #2 pick for the 2013 draft. Between him or Noel. Cody would have went in the 8-14 range in 2012. I figured he'd do the same in 2013 but went 4th. It wasn't some magical thing that happened with Cody. He's a high IQ guy on and off the floor. He's arguably the most athletic 7 footer in the NBA. And had an offensive game well beyond his years. And the potential there was very very high after his freshman year.

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[AKHoosier 6,994]

4 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

Cody was a lock. He was considered the #1 or #2 pick for the 2013 draft. Between him or Noel. Cody would have went in the 8-14 range in 2012. I figured he'd do the same in 2013 but went 4th. It wasn't some magical thing that happened with Cody. He's a high IQ guy on and off the floor. He's arguably the most athletic 7 footer in the NBA. And had an offensive game well beyond his years. And the potential there was very very high after his freshman year.

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In what world is any of this true?

Cody was a likely first-rounder in the 2012 draft, with maybe an outside chance at a lottery pick.  Certainly not a lock.

In the 2013 draft after his sophomore season, he was considered a lock for the lottery, but most believe it was a reach to select him #4 overall.

[X-Hoosier 529]

In what world is any of this true?

Cody was a likely first-rounder in the 2012 draft, with maybe an outside chance at a lottery pick.  Certainly not a lock.

In the 2013 draft after his sophomore season, he was considered a lock for the lottery, but most believe it was a reach to select him #4 overall.

In the world of reality. By the end of his Sophomore year he was had literally not moved from the previous year. He was a late lottery pick. At the BEGINNING of his Sophomore year he was seen as the #1 or #2 pick. I followed that draft incredibly close.

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[X-Hoosier 529]

Giannis?

Definitely Giannis. Potential out the butt load. Plus not too many 6-11 dudes that can play 4 spots on offense and defend 3.

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[BGleas 7,917]

2 hours ago, X-Hoosier said:

Cody was a lock. He was considered the #1 or #2 pick for the 2013 draft. Between him or Noel. Cody would have went in the 8-14 range in 2012. I figured he'd do the same in 2013 but went 4th. It wasn't some magical thing that happened with Cody. He's a high IQ guy on and off the floor. He's arguably the most athletic 7 footer in the NBA. And had an offensive game well beyond his years. And the potential there was very very high after his freshman year.

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He was not a lottery lock. He was maybe borderline late lottery to mid first. He would not have gone top 10 in the 2012 draft. Nobody said it was some magical thing that made his stock go up for 2013, we all watched his career, you're not the only one. Cody benefited from a horrendous 2013 draft. He's an athletic 7-footer yes, but not near the most athletic and he has a very limited offensive game and doesn't have great length. The length and his inability to shoot would have held him back in a normal draft. 

[X-Hoosier 529]

He was not a lottery lock. He was maybe borderline late lottery to mid first. He would not have gone top 10 in the 2012 draft. Nobody said it was some magical thing that made his stock go up for 2013, we all watched his career, you're not the only one. Cody benefited from a horrendous 2013 draft. He's an athletic 7-footer yes, but not near the most athletic and he has a very limited offensive game and doesn't have great length. The length and his inability to shoot would have held him back in a normal draft. 

His role in the NBA is being a 7 foot slasher. And his speed, agility and vertical help that. He plays his part perfectly. In the near future they'll have Kaminsky to shoot and Cody to slash. Though I'd rather see Cody traded. And being one of the most athletic 7 footers in the league... he's don't exactly what he's supposed to. The 2013 draft wasn't about getting stars.

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15 minutes ago, X-Hoosier said:

His role in the NBA is being a 7 foot slasher. And his speed, agility and vertical help that. He plays his part perfectly. In the near future they'll have Kaminsky to shoot and Cody to slash. Though I'd rather see Cody traded. And being one of the most athletic 7 footers in the league... he's don't exactly what he's supposed to. The 2013 draft wasn't about getting stars.

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That's his role in the NBA because for the most part that's all he can do. He can't shoot and has an extremely limited post game. He's a "garbage" guy. Plays really good D, hustles, sets screens, gets some put backs and is a good teammate. There's value to that and he does it well, but it's also not what a #4 pick should be. In a normal draft, you're hoping for that in the mid-to-late first round, and maybe early second. 

Every draft is about getting stars at the top, it's just that the 2013 draft didn't have any. It might go down as the worst draft in NBA history, it's definitely in the conversation.

[Brass Cannon 24,876]

The more I think about it I can't imagine many GMs are even interested in Troy based on Potential. The fact that he did very little to really improve the deficiencies he's had for quite some time has to give them pause. Either he can't improve them or isn't willing to put in the work. Gotta imagine they would take a flyer on a freshman with potential. 

Maybe I'm wrong only takes one that thinks they can change him I suppose. 

[X-Hoosier 529]

That's his role in the NBA because for the most part that's all he can do. He can't shoot and has an extremely limited post game. He's a "garbage" guy. Plays really good D, hustles, sets screens, gets some put backs and is a good teammate. There's value to that and he does it well, but it's also not what a #4 pick should be. In a normal draft, you're hoping for that in the mid-to-late first round, and maybe early second. 

Every draft is about getting stars at the top, it's just that the 2013 draft didn't have any. It might go down as the worst draft in NBA history, it's definitely in the conversation.

It definitely wasn't a class built on stars but more of good role players. Victor, Otto Porter, Cody, Noel, Caldwell-Pope, Burke, McCollum, Carter-Williams, Steven Adams, Okynyk, Muhammad, Antetokounmpo(most likely star), Dennis Schroder, Gorgui Dieng, Mason Plumlee, Andre Roberson, Rudy Gobert... all players who are doing alright. I think Archie Goodwin has some good potential. Allen Crabbe as well. Solomon Hill and Tony Snell are decent 3 and D guys.

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[Alford Bailey 12,398]

18 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

The more I think about it I can't imagine many GMs are even interested in Troy based on Potential. The fact that he did very little to really improve the deficiencies he's had for quite some time has to give them pause. Either he can't improve them or isn't willing to put in the work. Gotta imagine they would take a flyer on a freshman with potential. 

Maybe I'm wrong only takes one that thinks they can change him I suppose. 

How many 6'7" athletic guys who are average to below average shooters and defenders are in the D league?

[X-Hoosier 529]

How many 6'7" athletic guys who are average to below average shooters and defenders are in the D league?

In the D-leagues and overseas.... total... probably tree fitty at least.

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[HoosierTrav 7,898]

Giannis?

Giannis in a landslide IMO. Oladipo has all star caliber potential but is wildly inconsistent with his jumper.

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40 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Giannis in a landslide IMO. Oladipo has all star caliber potential but is wildly inconsistent with his jumper.

Giannis is definitely the most rounded player, but don't discount McCollumn. He put up slightly over 20ppg this season, shooting nearly 45 from the field and slightly over 40 from 3. Portland doesn't have all the pieces in place, but Lillard and McCollumn are going to be one of the better backcourts in the NBA over the next 4-5 years. 

[Tom White 1,435]

If I were a GM my biggest concern would be if Troy can guard ANYONE.

Not convinced he can.

I'm convinced he can. I am not convinced he would.

Here is why I think he could, from your own words...

His length and speed and athleticism is very unique.

So, then it becomes a matter of effort, concentration and discipline.

Those are what he lacks on defense.

[ctown2grhoosier 380]

In the D-leagues and overseas.... total... probably tree fitty at least.

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The defense is the thing. If you can't play defense in the league at his position you'll never make it (unless you're James Harden which he is absolutely not). Troy can block shots but he can't keep a guy in front of him to save his life. Hope I'm wrong but I think he'll be playing overseas next year if he doesn't come back.

[jtheo66 38]

It definitely wasn't a class built on stars but more of good role players. Victor, Otto Porter, Cody, Noel, Caldwell-Pope, Burke, McCollum, Carter-Williams, Steven Adams, Okynyk, Muhammad, Antetokounmpo(most likely star), Dennis Schroder, Gorgui Dieng, Mason Plumlee, Andre Roberson, Rudy Gobert... all players who are doing alright. I think Archie Goodwin has some good potential. Allen Crabbe as well. Solomon Hill and Tony Snell are decent 3 and D guys.

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Solomon Hill has been shooting great from the three in the last week or so (7-11 in the season finale I believe) but he is shooting about 22% from behind the arc on the season. He is a great defender and gets a lot of hustle plays which is why he has been playing so much recently and pretty much took over Chase Budinger's role, but I along with every pacers fan I know cringe a little when Solomon throws up a 3

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[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,110]

CBS Sports came out with it's ranking of underclassmen who have declared for the draft.  Troy came in at #34.

Scouting Profile: Williams is certainly one of the better athletes in this draft, as he possesses both terrific explosiveness and quickness. He also did a bit better of a job as a decision maker this season, even if he still has a tendency to get out of control. There are some issues though. He's still a 6-7 kid with relatively short arms who isn't a major plus defensively yet. But the true swing skill will be the jump shot. Can Williams build on the groundwork for his jumper thus far, or will it fall apart when trying to move back to the NBA line? Tough to say. He'll have a shot to go in the second round if he stays in the draft. Hiring Agent? Not yet Draft range: Second round to undrafted

[Yogi's Picnic Basket 5,004]

On 4/14/2016 at 8:23 AM, HoosierTrav said:

Giannis in a landslide IMO. Oladipo has all star caliber potential but is wildly inconsistent with his jumper.

The Greek Freak will be an All-Star for years, Victor has a shot as well if the Magic would just get some stability in their organization. So many times this year he played 40 minutes then 20 the next. McCollum is a potential star more so than Victor, but that could change. Cody has played great in spurts as well, but not nowhere near consistent enough yet. Schroeder has potential to as well as Gobert. Crabbe will get paid this offseason as he is a restricted free agent. Gorgei Dieng and Solomon Hill could both do great things with more time. I think this class has turned out even better than people expected. Some said there were no stars but good players and so far that's mostly true, but there are several of these guys who could breakout. Giannis is a star next year as well as McCollum. 

[Miller'sTheMan 1,652]

20 hours ago, jtheo66 said:

Solomon Hill has been shooting great from the three in the last week or so (7-11 in the season finale I believe) but he is shooting about 22% from behind the arc on the season. He is a great defender and gets a lot of hustle plays which is why he has been playing so much recently and pretty much took over Chase Budinger's role, but I along with every pacers fan I know cringe a little when Solomon throws up a 3

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Solo is shooting about 32% from 3 on the season, not 22%.

[Brass Cannon 24,876]

When will Troy get his initial feedback and/or find out if he's invited to the combine?