Louisville self-imposed post-season ban/Rick Pitino interested in UNLV?

[Brass Cannon]

I very seriously doubt the placement of the NC mattered in the grand Scheme, USC still has their championship. 

[MartintheMopMan]

I very seriously doubt the placement of the NC mattered in the grand Scheme, USC still has their championship. 

The Reggie Bush championship? That's definitely been vacated.

 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/06/usc-bcs-national-championship-stripped/1

 

and page 10:

 

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/PressArchive/2011/Infractions/20110526_USC_Final_Public_Report.pdf

[Ranger78]

Look at what happened to us for too many phone calls. That's nothing compared to fixing grades or buying prostitutes for students. If any of this stuff happens at IU, we would be banned for a long time and lose a coaching staff.

 

 

LOL - I thought the same thing... If we were caught to this degree, I'm guessing the NCAA would have tried to vacate the 76 championship. LOL.

[Ranger78]

I've lost any kind of respect I 'might' have had for Ricky Pitino. He's crying about the system and he should be out of a job. The fact U of L is allowing this guy to be their mouth piece speaks volumes for that University. I don't have much respect for much that comes out of Kentucky in regards to big time college basketball.

[MartintheMopMan]

LOL - I thought the same thing... If we were caught to this degree, I'm guessing the NCAA would have tried to vacate the 76 championship. LOL.

In the interest of fairness, I'll note our punishment in 2008 was harsher than usual because of Sampson's previous sanctions. He literally was working to get around the sanctions placed on him and making sure the sanctions were enforced was part of the agreement with the NCAA the university made when they hired him. And despite agreeing to monitor Sampson and enforce the sanctions, the administration was absolutely incompetent and utterly failed to do even the bare minimum.

 

I don't want to start blaming the NCAA for the mistakes of Herbert and Greenspan. Let's blame the people who really screwed us.

 

This paragraph from the decision says it really well:

 

"Prior to the violations in this case the institution had an almost 50-year history free of major infractions. It hired the former head coach with the intent to provide enhanced and focused monitoring of him and the men's basketball program. Its monitoring was impeded by the unethical conduct of the former head coach and former assistant coach A. It uncovered the telephone violations set forth in Findings B-1 and B-2. Its investigation was thorough, meeting its obligation under the cooperative principle. Nonetheless, institutions necessarily are responsible for the conduct of staff, particularly coaches and high level administrators.

 

This is more true when, as here, an institution both employs an individual with notice that he has committed violations and assumes the responsibility to assure his compliance with committee penalties. The institution knew that its enhanced and focused monitoring system was not fully operational on day one of the penalties. There were road signs on the way that pointed to the failure of the coaching staff to take seriously its obligations. The institution permitted delays in providing information and missed information that was clearly inaccurate. The case involved multiple violations of basic telephone recruiting legislation, unethical conduct by two coaches, and failure to monitor the men's basketball program by both the former head coach and the institution. Of critical significance, the violations were committed by a head coach serving penalties imposed on him for similar violations in a prior case, and during the time when the head coach should have been subject to heightened scrutiny because of these prior penalties."

 

http://www.insidethehall.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/NCAArelease112508.pdf

[ccgeneral]

‏@ESPNDanaOneil: Louisville to announce additional sanctions today. Loss of 2 schollys, 30 fewer days on road recruiting, 2 less official visits allowed.

 

 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

10 minutes ago, ccgeneral said:

‏@ESPNDanaOneil: Louisville to announce additional sanctions today. Loss of 2 schollys, 30 fewer days on road recruiting, 2 less official visits allowed.

Is that 2 less official visits from Katina and her girls?

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Sounds like L'ville trying to beat the NCAA by banging their fists on their chests and saying "look what we've already done".

[ccgeneral]

23 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Sounds like L'ville trying to beat the NCAA by banging their fists on their chests and saying "look what we've already done".

It's only 1 scholly/OV per year and they miss the entire April recruiting period and a week of the July period.

[HoosierRob]

Still kinda weak if you ask me.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

So with these additional self-imposed sanctions, are we to presume that's there is some fire and not just all smoke surrounding their recruiting practices?

[TrueHoosier62]

If the NCAA doesn't supplement those self imposed sanctions, (and sanctions in only the loosest sense of the word), they have no balls.

[MartintheMopMan]

So with these additional self-imposed sanctions, are we to presume that's there is some fire and not just all smoke surrounding their recruiting practices?

I would say so. The goal of self-imposed sanctions is to mitigate any damages from loss of institutional control. I mean, how can they say you had no control?!? You just sanctioned them!

So, if you feel like you need to keep piling on then there is likely a reason.

[X-Hoosier]

I don't think there has been a worse recruiting violations case in CBB for awhile. That I know of. This is an NCAA violation, moral and legal issue. UofL should honestly be destroyed by sanctions.

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[HoosierRob]

It's gonna hurt them because they have not punished pitino at all. I believe the ncaa will not look away from that.

[pumpfake]

12 hours ago, MartintheMopMan said:

I would say so. The goal of self-imposed sanctions is to mitigate any damages from loss of institutional control. I mean, how can they say you had no control?!? You just sanctioned them!

So, if you feel like you need to keep piling on then there is likely a reason.

It should be very interesting to see what, if any, additional penalties the NCAA hands down.  In recent history, it appears that the best approach is to deny, deny, deny and NEVER self-report.  Then again, that may only be effective if you're a "favored institution".

[MartintheMopMan]

It should be very interesting to see what, if any, additional penalties the NCAA hands down.  In recent history, it appears that the best approach is to deny, deny, deny and NEVER self-report.  Then again, that may only be effective if you're a "favored institution".

Have there been any full denials in recent history? Even UNC seems to be focused on jurisdiction not culpability.

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

13 hours ago, HoosierRob said:

It's gonna hurt them because they have not punished pitino at all. I believe the ncaa will not look away from that.

Especially when the NCAA now seems to operate under a 'presumed to know' or 'it's your responsibility to know' philosophy with head.

[MartintheMopMan]

Especially when the NCAA now seems to operate under a 'presumed to know' or 'it's your responsibility to know' philosophy with head.

For the allegations the NCAA made they have a rebuttable presumption of knowledge. The head coach legally knew until they prove they didn't.

[OliviaPope40]