Thomas Bryant and Emmitt Holt cited for illegal alcohol posession

[Hovadipo 54,948]

But they are technically adults. There's gotta be more to the story. Time will tell I guess.

Yeah it seems to me there is kind of a hole in the story, because I'm almost certain that the rule is alcohol can only be in the car if a guardian is present if you're under 21. Someone please correct me if I'm misinterpreting.

[Stuhoo 79,566]

OK you know your argument is thin when you lunge for the typo!

 

 

Yes.  The official police account is never the whole story.  I wonder how you could not agree with that statement.  

 

When an honest, professional law enforcement officer prepares reports, those reports are accurate and complete.

 

Happens all the time. And that's a fact.

[Hoosiers High Life 278]

Not saying it's crean fault but he better find a way to keep these kids out of trouble or his job might be at risk idk but that's emmitts second time being in trouble. Does this mean he gets kicked off the team?

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

OK you know your argument is thin when you lunge for the typo!


Yes. The official police account is never the whole story. I wonder how you could not agree with that statement.

Ok I've stayed out of this but come on. Society today wants to take no blame for anything they do wrong. EVERY company has bad employees, and that goes for cops, but 90%+ are great cops doing their jobs correctly.

So police leave stuff out? Come on! No one knows what these people do every day for our society, and excuse them if they forget to write every little detail down on a report. I'm so tired of this blame police crap that today's society wants to spew out. Here in St. Louis people were rioting the shooting of a young man who pointed a gun at police just a few weeks ago.

Police are not perfect, but they serve and protect us, and put there lives on the line every day, but we go after them for nonsense stuff?

If you can't tell I'm very pro-police and pro-military. I've had a friend die in Iraq and family who serve on the police force. Please don't give me the police profile and leave stuff out of reports stuff. How about don't break the law so there is no discussion?

Now I can ban myself for going off topic :)

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

Ok I've stayed out of this but come on. Society today wants to take no blame for anything they do wrong. EVERY company has bad employees, and that goes for cops, but 90%+ are great cops doing their jobs correctly.

So police leave stuff out? Come on! No one knows what these people do every day for our society, and excuse them if they forget to write every little detail down on a report. I'm so tired of this blame police crap that today's society wants to spew out. Here in St. Louis people were rioting the shooting of a young man who pointed a gun at police just a few weeks ago.

Police are not perfect, but they serve and protect us, and put there lives on the line every day, but we go after them for nonsense stuff?

If you can't tell I'm very pro-police and pro-military. I've had a friend die in Iraq and family who serve on the police force. Please don't give me the police profile and leave stuff out of reports stuff. How about don't break the law so there is no discussion?

Now I can ban myself for going off topic :)

 

Come on Jaybob.  This isn't an I hate Cops argument.

 

I love Cops.  I go to a Cop Bar here in the city and sing Irish drinking songs late night with a bunch of cops, and some of the younger guys just hand me money and ask me to pick the songs because they know i pick the good ones they forgot to pick.  That's how much I go there and do that with them.

 

And it is not a normal personal responsibility thing either.

 

This is a Bryant and Holt argument based on the shrillness of the anger way too many IU fans have hurled at these two.

 

If a lot of people actually want Bryant and Holt kicked off the team and Crean and Glass fired over an accusation of minor possession during Welcome Week, then I say fight the good fight, and fight it to win.

[IndyHutch 1,718]

There's no doubt this thing has taken on a life of its own. I think 430 posts on this thread gives you an indication of that all by itself (I'm not complaining about that by the way. I think it's great that people over here are this passionate about the topic.)

 

I agree with others that there has to be more than meets the eye here and I just wish that we could get more clarification on the state excise police report and why the other three in the car were not cited. That just raises red flags and leaves us all with more questions than answers.

 

There are two things coming up in the next few days where Fred Glass (both days) and Tom Crean on one are going to be in front of the media and in one case, the IU fan base.

 

Fred Glass had scheduled a media availability some time ago for tomorrow (Wednesday) and I know there will be a lot of people interested to get his take. He may not say anything but the opportunity will be there.

 

The other is Thursday when the IU Alumni Association hosts its Indianapolis Tailgate event at Lucas Oil Stadium. That has always been an event where Kevin Wilson, Tom Crean and Todd Yeagley attend along with Glass. I haven't seen anything to indicate otherwise and so that will be interesting as well.

[MikeRoberts 6,914]

Come on Jaybob. This isn't an I hate Cops argument.

I love Cops. I go to a Cop Bar here in the city and sing Irish drinking songs late night with a bunch of cops, and some of the younger guys just hand me money and ask me to pick the songs because they know i pick the good ones they forgot to pick. That's how much I go there and do that with them.

And it is not a normal personal responsibility thing either.

This is a Bryant and Holt argument based on the shrillness of the anger way too many IU fans have hurled at these two.

If a lot of people actually want Bryant and Holt kicked off the team and Crean and Glass fired over an accusation of minor possession during Welcome Week, then I say fight the good fight, and fight it to win.

fight what to win? You are assuming they are innocent here and you know the odds are that they aren't. Fans wanting order in our program has no impact on their level of guilt.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

Come on Jaybob. This isn't an I hate Cops argument.

I love Cops. I go to a Cop Bar here in the city and sing Irish drinking songs late night with a bunch of cops, and some of the younger guys just hand me money and ask me to pick the songs because they know i pick the good ones they forgot to pick. That's how much I go there and do that with them.

And it is not a normal personal responsibility thing either.

This is a Bryant and Holt argument based on the shrillness of the anger way too many IU fans have hurled at these two.

If a lot of people actually want Bryant and Holt kicked off the team and Crean and Glass fired over an accusation of minor possession during Welcome Week, then I say fight the good fight, and fight it to win.

I'm not in the camp who thinks they should be gone. However, Holt does and should be suspended for a couple games. Like I said in one of my previous post, this is a very minor offense that so many college kids make. However, IU fans are fed up with the constant trouble IU basketball seems to be in.

Also, I'm not accusing you of hating cops, but I take offense when cops automatically get accused for people breaking the law. To me there's no argument there. All the cops I know actually cut people breaks and are thoughtful of consequences when giving tickets. Unless any of us our cops, we can't judge on what they go through and the decisions they have to make.

[BtownBanner6 1,298]

Where's these pm's?

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

A... lawyer... once told me the majority of his clients are guilty of something, it's up to him to figure out what it is and use the knowledge to his client's advantage.

 

In real life, your statement would read as follows:

 

A lawyer once told me the majority of his clients are guilty of something.  it is up to him (the lawyer) to figure out what that is and use the knowledge to his (the lawyer's advantage) and to the client's disadvantage regardless of whether any actual wrongdoing took place or can be substantiated or not, and to charge as much money as possible according to how poorly the client knows the law and the weight or weakness of the case against him.  If he doesn't know the case is weak, but he thinks he is going to lose anyway because he has been charged or sued, charge him a lot, and don't work too hard on this case.  It's not necessary.  You can even let your client lose.  Work on the cases the clients actually know the law and force you to earn the good money they are paying you to defend them.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

I'm not saying the cops in this incident are right, because they do make mistakes. I just don't think it's fair for people to jump to conclusions based on lack of information. Sometimes information is held for certain reasons.

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

I'm not in the camp who thinks they should be gone. However, Holt does and should be suspended for a couple games. Like I said in one of my previous post, this is a very minor offense that so many college kids make. However, IU fans are fed up with the constant trouble IU basketball seems to be in.

Also, I'm not accusing you of hating cops, but I take offense when cops automatically get accused for people breaking the law. To me there's no argument there. All the cops I know actually cut people breaks and are thoughtful of consequences when giving tickets. Unless any of us our cops, we can't judge on what they go through and the decisions they have to make.

 

I agree with much of what you are saying.  Most cops are pretty awesome.  And most cop are doing their jobs.

 

That doesn't mean a guy should not investigate every aspect of evidence and every aspect of a criminal case made against him.

 

If a cop wants to haul an IU basketball player to jail over a weak case of possession because an unopened bottle of vodka is in the vehicle that kid is riding in, then that cop better be ready to face a furious defense when the fanbase turns into a lynch mob against the player you dragged to jail.

[hoosierpap 14,300]

Sorry been in class all day. I never really intended to derail the thread, sorry mods!
Edit: also my inbox is getting flooded ATM

That is why you keep your mouth closed, brother loI. I remember my first and last lesson in this. As much as I want to sway Holt's perception to reality, the truth is people will believe their newspapers.

From today...

@MattGlenesk11h @Schultz975 With IU, if you want access, you better be careful. They keep score. That’s why IU media are predominantly fanboys

[Yogi'sBicep 1,048]

My question is... Would this cop get an ordinary student with the same charge, or would he keep going? I just hope that because they're players they aren't put at a disadvantage. But, yes they HAVE to be smarter.

If somebody told me to give up partying and I could play at IU, oh yeah.

[JaybobHoosier 11,839]

I agree with much of what you are saying. Most cops are pretty awesome. And most cop are doing their jobs.

That doesn't mean a guy should not investigate every aspect of evidence and every aspect of a criminal case made against him.

If a cop wants to haul an IU basketball player to jail for possession because an unopened bottle of vodka is in the vehicle that kid is riding in, then that cop better be ready to face a furious defense when the fanbase turns into a lynch mob.

I agree completely. I can't say anything on this because you are right. More info needs to come out, so hope it happens soon.

[Mr Baditude 22]

Law students can't practice law, but law students can write motions, and Thomas Bryant and Emmitt Holt can file those motions on their own behalf as if they wrote them themselves. A law degree is not reqired to file a motion on your own behalf.

And the law school itself has many clinics in the law building that solicit the public for cases to allow law students to practice writing motions, investigating cases, etc. as if they were fully blessed by the bar.

No and no.

A law student can't legally draft a motion and give it to a non-attorney for filing. That would be the unauthorized practice of law. And, while law students staff the several legal clinics at the law school and draft motions and other legal documents, they are supervised by the licensed attorneys who not only oversee those clinics but who are actually the attorneys of record for each case and who then file them under their own signature.

[MartintheMopMan 7,765]

There's no doubt this thing has taken on a life of its own. I think 430 posts on this thread gives you an indication of that all by itself (I'm not complaining about that by the way. I think it's great that people over here are this passionate about the topic.)

 

Well, 412 are people requesting PMs.

[MikeRoberts 6,914]

I agree with much of what you are saying. Most cops are pretty awesome. And most cop are doing their jobs.

That doesn't mean a guy should not investigate every aspect of evidence and every aspect of a criminal case made against him.

If a cop wants to haul an IU basketball player to jail for possession because an unopened bottle of vodka is in the vehicle that kid is riding in, then that cop better be ready to face a furious defense when the fanbase turns into a lynch mob.

i wouldn't exactly consider you a lynch mob. Lynch person maybe

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Guys, I'm on a project in St. Louis. I hear enough about the police and perceived/real injustices committed by them. Can we get back to discussing what is going on with our basketball team?

Regarding the lack of citation for the other three members of the car, I once received an underage possession citation from the excise cops as well. It was clear that the 21 year olds with me supplied it, since the cops followed their car to my apartment and saw us unloading the trunk, but the excise did not give citations to the 21 year olds.

My friend and also apologized and talked our way out of the outrageously expensive tickets for all you wondering whether you should fight such things or just apologize for doing something you know is wrong.

[chicagoHOOSIER 1,051]

Guys, I'm on a project in St. Louis. I hear enough about the police and perceived/real injustices committed by them. Can we get back to discussing what is going on with our basketball team?

Regarding the lack of citation for the other three members of the car, I once received an underage possession citation from the excise cops as well. It was clear that the 21 year olds with me supplied it, since the cops followed their car to my apartment and saw us unloading the trunk, but the excise did not give citations to the 21 year olds.

My friend and also apologized and talked our way out of the outrageously expensive tickets for all you wondering whether you should fight such things or just apologize for doing something you know is wrong.

 

Sometimes an apology is the best way to go.

 

I don't think this is one of those situations.

 

An apology is not going to shut up the shrieking 'kick-em-off-the-team, fire-the-Athletic-Department' contingent.