Does "This is Indiana" really have pull anymore?

[OliviaPope40 6,556]

Calipari may not have been directly involved but both events happened while he was at the helm. 

[FindEndNow 198]

Calipari may not have been directly involved but both events happened while he was at the helm.

doesn't make him a cheater though.

[IU Bud 445]

I always see recruits say "Indiana has a lot history" buy never hear them talk about recent times. You also heard Glass say "This is Indiana" for a reason not to play the in the CBI after the 2013-2014 season. Does that really mean anything anymore? It might to fans but does it to recruits who haven't witnessed Indiana be great? Does Indiana need a rebranding or something similar?

Our biggest selling point is AH on game day. The atmosphere is still good and the expectations of the program reflect that we have been an elite program and people still expect that level of success. College Basketball has changed and we may not dominate every year, but the expectation is there.

 

Our history doesn't mean much to a kid outside of Indiana, but seeing the support from fans is still there and something recruits see.

[hyzy 300]

When my kid first said they wanted to move 500+ miles to attend IU my first thought was that the kid didn't even like basketball.  That is how I defined IU.  Granted now that I have visited B-Town on a number of occasions I realize there is much more to it that that, but IMO those who don't know IU will always associate it with basketball, it is now time to once again associate it with WINNING basketball

[mdn82 25,510]

there is no proof that days he had anything to do with Marcus Camby or Derrick Rose.

Wow.... Sooo a dude goes into the heart of Chicago, constantly wins and isn't shady? The place where handlers has handlers? Come on you are not that naive right? High school transcript issues. Vacated final fours. Two kids who might not be drafted buying their mom a Beamer.

[iubirdman 98]

Just curious as to why FindTheEnd does not think Wisconsin plays real basketball?  I would love for our teams to play like they do, and I laughed for each of the last two years when all during the NCAA tourney the analysts were talking about how methodical they played and they were the highest scoring team in the tourney the last 2 years!  This was not anywhere close to the Wisconsin teams of a few years ago they would beat you 50-45.  I mean not sure why we would not want our team to play solid defense, not foul, make our free throws, not turn the ball over, and actually run something that resembles a real offense.  Yea not what we want here at all!!!!

[Old Friend 8,389]

To people who know basketball, yes.   Absolutely.  To the "And 1" generation, AAU wannabe's...maybe not as much.    But 5 NCAA titles at the state university in the middle of the undisputed basketball capital of the world still pulls plenty of stroke with tons of people.   

 

We do not need to be a top 10 recruiting class every year or even "ever."  What we need are teams that can grow together.   We need seniors.   We need leaders.   We need kids who understand the game as well as the sport.   We need fundamentally sound players and coaches who value that.   That's Indiana.  That's our DNA.  It's not recruiting kids from all over the place to whom Indiana is just another school and a place to showcase themselves.   I would absolutely mirror what Wisconsin does.  They're a perfect model for Indiana.   (Which is SO sad...Indiana should BE the model, but I digress)    Recruit locally and prioritize it.  Demand a certain, fundamental style.   Set high expectations and be accountable when you don't meet them.  And maximize every player you have....until they're ready to move on.  Avoid treating kids like expendable commodities.

 

Recruiting should prioritize :

 

1)  Kids who can shoot

2)  Kids who want to defend and rebound

3)  Kids who understand the game and don't need the ball on every possession

4)  Kids who don't have to dribble to succeed

5)  Great passers

6)  Winners

7)  Kids who have been coached instead of coddled

8)  Kids with great attitudes and work ethic

9)  Kids who have older siblings (obscure....I know, and I don't mean all, but those kids are generally very competitive)

10) Kids who absolutely understand what it means to play basketball at Indiana and can differentiate IU from Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, or Illinois. etc.

 

Is Tom Crean doing this?

[FindEndNow 198]

Wow.... Sooo a dude goes into the heart of Chicago, constantly wins and isn't shady? The place where handlers has handlers? Come on you are not that naive right? High school transcript issues. Vacated final fours. Two kids who might not be drafted buying their mom a Beamer.

if something comes out about him being caught then something can be said. Until then it's just silliness.

[FindEndNow 198]

To people who know basketball, yes. Absolutely. To the "And 1" generation, AAU wannabe's...maybe not as much. But 5 NCAA titles at the state university in the middle of the undisputed basketball capital of the world still pulls plenty of stroke with tons of people.

We do not need to be a top 10 recruiting class every year or even "ever." What we need are teams that can grow together. We need seniors. We need leaders. We need kids who understand the game as well as the sport. We need fundamentally sound players and coaches who value that. That's Indiana. That's our DNA. It's not recruiting kids from all over the place to whom Indiana is just another school and a place to showcase themselves. I would absolutely mirror what Wisconsin does. They're a perfect model for Indiana. (Which is SO sad...Indiana should BE the model, but I digress) Recruit locally and prioritize it. Demand a certain, fundamental style. Set high expectations and be accountable when you don't meet them. And maximize every player you have....until they're ready to move on. Avoid treating kids like expendable commodities.

Recruiting should prioritize :

1) Kids who can shoot
2) Kids who want to defend and rebound
3) Kids who understand the game and don't need the ball on every possession
4) Kids who don't have to dribble to succeed
5) Great passers
6) Winners
7) Kids who have been coached instead of coddled
8) Kids with great attitudes and work ethic
9) Kids who have older siblings (obscure....I know, and I don't mean all, but those kids are generally very competitive)
10) Kids who absolutely understand what it means to play basketball at Indiana and can differentiate IU from Florida State, Clemson, South Carolina, or Illinois. etc.

Is Tom Crean doing this?

You're speaking as if Bobby Knight is still around and it's 1984. Well it isn't. The one and done era needs to be embraced by this coaching staff(if it is around long enough). No reason to shy away from great players. No reason Indiana isn't recruiting the absolute best of the best. That is what's put Indiana where it is now. Not being able to recruit the best and that started with Knight not being able to change and keep up in the mid 90's.

[iubirdman 98]

You're speaking as if Bobby Knight is still around and it's 1984. Well it isn't. The one and done era needs to be embraced by this coaching staff(if it is around long enough). No reason to shy away from great players. No reason Indiana isn't recruiting the absolute best of the best. That is what's put Indiana where it is now. Not being able to recruit the best and that started with Knight not being able to change and keep up in the mid 90's.

Just curious, how many schools have landed a MCDAA for 5 straight years?  If my quick look was correct it was IU, UK, Duke and Kansas.  That's it.  Not sure how that translates to shying away from great players, in fact I would argue that our top players have been as good as anyones, we just seem to have more holes because we seem to swing for the fences and miss a lot, leaving us having to fill in spots and depth with kids that are below legit Big Ten caliber players to fill out rosters (of course no need to always have to fill all the roster spots but that is a different argument!)

[FindEndNow 198]

Just curious, how many schools have landed a MCDAA for 5 straight years? If my quick look was correct it was IU, UK, Duke and Kansas. That's it. Not sure how that translates to shying away from great players, in fact I would argue that our top players have been as good as anyones, we just seem to have more holes because we seem to swing for the fences and miss a lot, leaving us having to fill in spots and depth with kids that are below legit Big Ten caliber players to fill out rosters (of course no need to always have to fill all the roster spots but that is a different argument!)

Well we only really go after one every year it seems. Can't ever have 2. But if what you're doing to get those kids to come isn't working then change it up. Don't keep don't the same thing over and over again. Indiana needs talent. If we want to be Elite 8 or FF contenders every year we gotta recruit big. But we seem to get out recruited by fellow B1G schools.

[drewheck 749]

doesn't make him a cheater though.

if he didn't know that was going on then he was clueless to his program and didn't cheat but he had to know what was going on with camby and rose so that is cheating

[FindEndNow 198]

if he didn't know that was going on then he was clueless to his program and didn't cheat but he had to know what was going on with camby and rose so that is cheating

how did he have know? Both did things that can be done behind the backs of others.

[drewheck 749]

how did he have know? Both did things that can be done behind the backs of others.

he's running the show if you don't know everything about your recruits and team you're not doing your job if he had success at those two schools why did he leave? Because the heat was coming from the ncaa he is a cheater and he is good at keeping his name directly off of it

[FindEndNow 198]

he's running the show if you don't know everything about your recruits and team you're not doing your job if he had success at those two schools why did he leave? Because the heat was coming from the ncaa he is a cheater and he is good at keeping his name directly off of it

Well he left UMass for the NBA and Memphis for Kentucky.

[Feathery 4,005]

We don't need rebranding, unless a coaching change is considered rebranding. All elite teams have elite coaches, it's the way of college basketball. The NBA is about star players and college programs are about star coaches.

We recruit plenty of talent to be elite. We just need the talent we land to form a team, which means recruiting for a purpose of always having shooters, ball handlers, and big men that fit the system.

[iubirdman 98]

I think a lot of that has to do with overall rankings including all of the recruits, and the bottom of ours are bad, really bad.  Look at the last few years.  This years class I think we will get 3 contributors in time, prob only TB as a major one this year.  Last years class with RoJo and JBJ and if we just had Holt as the 3rd would have been a better class but then add JA, MH, and TP and the overall class suffers with kids that just were not B10 players, and we seem to do that every year.  

[HoosierTrav 7,898]

Just curious, how many schools have landed a MCDAA for 5 straight years?  If my quick look was correct it was IU, UK, Duke and Kansas.  That's it.  Not sure how that translates to shying away from great players, in fact I would argue that our top players have been as good as anyones, we just seem to have more holes because we seem to swing for the fences and miss a lot, leaving us having to fill in spots and depth with kids that are below legit Big Ten caliber players to fill out rosters (of course no need to always have to fill all the roster spots but that is a different argument!)

Is this stat true?!?!..... If so, we are far and away the most underachieving team out of that group. Not.Even.Close!

[iubirdman 98]

Is this stat true?!?!..... If so, we are far and away the most underachieving team out of that group. Not.Even.Close!

I may be wrong, it was a quick glance, think UNC and MSU each have had one at least 4 of the last 5

[drewheck 749]

Well he left UMass for the NBA and Memphis for Kentucky.

what happened immediately after he left