Crean Recruitment in the Midwest?

[ALASKA HOOSIER 11,256]

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[Josh 12,569]

 I expect a recruiting focus on top local (Midwest) kids who will see this team and where it's going.

 

 

Then be prepared to be let down.  We seem to be recruiting more nationally than ever.

 

It doesn't matter if we're recruiting Indiana or Uranus imo.  Not sure why people keep saying it needs to be a limited recruiting footprint.

 

 

*edit*...this was off topic, sorry mods.  Welcome back Yogi!

[Old Friend 8,389]

Then be prepared to be let down.  We seem to be recruiting more nationally than ever.

 

It doesn't matter if we're recruiting Indiana or Uranus imo.  Not sure why people keep saying it needs to be a limited recruiting footprint.

 

 

*edit*...this was off topic, sorry mods.  Welcome back Yogi!

Indiana does not have a national footprint anymore.  Both Johnson and Hoetzel showed up and said they had no idea of the traditions and expectations at Indiana.  If you have kids who don't know where they are, they're not going to be successful to whatever standard is there.    If kids don't know how important it is to beat Purdue or contend every year in the Big Ten...they won't.   There is no reason Indiana needs to recruit kids from Maryland, California, Texas, or anywhere but the midwest where kids are better an fundamental basketball (they are....just like kids from Texas and Florida are better at football and kids from the south are better at baseball) and understand what "Indiana Basketball" is all about.    I don't know how to explain it, really...but it's not like Tom Crean and Mike Davis can point to consistent successes on the floor by recruiting kids from Uranus (the collective "elsewhere").

[Josh 12,569]

Indiana does not have a national footprint anymore.  Both Johnson and Hoetzel showed up and said they had no idea of the traditions and expectations at Indiana.  If you have kids who don't know where they are, they're not going to be successful to whatever standard is there.    If kids don't know how important it is to beat Purdue or contend every year in the Big Ten...they won't.   There is no reason Indiana needs to recruit kids from Maryland, California, Texas, or anywhere but the midwest where kids are better an fundamental basketball (they are....just like kids from Texas and Florida are better at football and kids from the south are better at baseball) and understand what "Indiana Basketball" is all about.    I don't know how to explain it, really...but it's not like Tom Crean and Mike Davis can point to consistent successes on the floor by recruiting kids from Uranus (the collective "elsewhere").

 

If kids from the Midwest were better at basketball than everybody else, wouldn't the majority of NBA players be from the midwest?  I'm sorry, but your assertion is full of bias instead of fact.

[mdn82 25,510]

If kids from the Midwest were better at basketball than everybody else, wouldn't the majority of NBA players be from the midwest? I'm sorry, but your assertion is full of bias instead of fact.

A great college player does not equate a great NBA player. Actually very rarely does a great college player equate to a great NBA player.

[Josh 12,569]

A great college player does not equate a great NBA player. Actually very rarely does a great college player equate to a great NBA player.

Aren't the best basketball players playing in the NBA?

 

Ok, if not, wouldn't the national championship teams be littered with mostly midwest kids?  Wouldn't the All American teams be only midwest kids?

 

In fact, there is talent spread throughout the country.  It's not always centered in the midwest.  I'm not sure why people insist that it is.

[mdn82 25,510]

Aren't the best basketball players playing in the NBA?

Ok, if not, wouldn't the national championship teams be littered with mostly midwest kids? Wouldn't the All American teams be only midwest kids?

In fact, there is talent spread throughout the country. It's not always centered in the midwest. I'm not sure why people insist that it is.

Yes the best basketball players are playing in the NBA. That means nothing when those same people were 18-22. Was Christian Laettner not a top 3 all time college player? How did IU win with Alford since he was not a good pro?

You also really need to go back and look at this years final four. Your last paragraph proves my point further. Like 80% of the players in the final four were midwest players. Each teams best players were midwest players. 41 had a great chart of this during the final four.

Sorry but the NBA argument does nothing for me when it comes to college basketball. The NBA is a player driven sport. NCAAB is a coach driven sport.

[Josh 12,569]

The NBA is a player driven sport. NCAAB is a coach driven sport.

 

Weren't we talking about players instead of coaches?  If the best players come from Indiana, they'd be dominating the best basketball in the world.  Fact is, they're not.

 

I really wish some of our fans would be able to see beyond their bias.  The best basketball players are scattered around the country (and into Canada).  They are not simply located within Indiana and surroundings.

 

As far as this season, Duke won the title.  One player of note was from the midwest.  One.

[JSHoosier 19,842]

Aren't the best basketball players playing in the NBA?

 

Ok, if not, wouldn't the national championship teams be littered with mostly midwest kids?  Wouldn't the All American teams be only midwest kids?

 

In fact, there is talent spread throughout the country.  It's not always centered in the midwest.  I'm not sure why people insist that it is.

He never said talent isn't spread throughout the country, he said midwest kids are better fundamental players.  I've seen midwest teams play and a team from the NY area play, there was a noticeable difference in the fundamentals IMO.

 

And as MDN already covered, the Final Four this year was loaded with players from the midwest.

[mdn82 25,510]

Weren't we talking about players instead of coaches? If the best players come from Indiana, they'd be dominating the best basketball in the world. Fact is, they're not.

I really wish some of our fans would be able to see beyond their bias. The best basketball players are scattered around the country (and into Canada). They are not simply located within Indiana and surroundings.

As far as this season, Duke won the title. One player of note was from the midwest. One.

Yeah and he so happened to be their best player... I guess when college games are won by NBA players then I will agree with you. You keep talking about the best players like a 27 yr old NBA player = a 19 yr old college player. I think you are debating yourself out of this convo. NBA players do not play in college or IU may have had only 2 titles, not 5.

Edit: Do you only want to consider the best players for the college game or every player because they are not equal no matter what you tell yourself. The best college players have very little meaning to the best best NBA players.... Seeing how I am an Iu fan I don't care about the NBA when it comes to college basketball. The best college players of my lifetime have been mediocre at best in the NBA.

[Josh 12,569]

It appears both sides are set in their opinion here.  I don't understand yours at all, but I understand that your heels are planted as firmly as mine. 

 

We've seen plenty of highly ranked Indiana kids become nothing at IU, and we've seen plenty of underranked out of state kids become great players.  I'm glad we recruit nationally and hope we continue that trend.

 

Thanks for returning Yogi, let's get this season started!

[mdn82 25,510]

It appears both sides are set in their opinion here. I don't understand yours at all, but I understand that your heels are planted as firmly as mine.

We've seen plenty of highly ranked Indiana kids become nothing at IU, and we've seen plenty of underranked out of state kids become great players. I'm glad we recruit nationally and hope we continue that trend.

Thanks for returning Yogi, let's get this season started!

Can you at least admit the NBA has nothing to do with the college game? Lol it's driving me nuts someone so smart cannot see that... Or Atleast the last great college player that carried his team (non midwest) who is a great NBA player?

Edit: I had to go back to Carmelo Anthony to find a legit NBA player who wasn't from the Midwest who was a great college player who carried his team to a title or even a Final Four. I want the best college players possible to win but most of them right now come out of Chicago.

[Josh 12,569]

Can you at least admit the NBA has nothing to do with the college game? Lol it's driving me nuts someone so smart cannot see that... Or Atleast the last great college player that carried his team (non midwest) who is a great NBA player?

 

Again, no.  The best players play in the best leagues.  Sometimes they peak later in life, but for the most part, the best players are payed big money because they're the best players.  These players are not dominated by Indiana players.

 

The best players in the college game are not dominated by Indiana kids either.  Duke had one Indiana kid of note (Plumlee wasn't good) and he played a limited role in their title game.  Last year's title team had none.

 

Derrick Elston and Jeremy Hollowell were recent 4 star Indiana kids who became nothing in college.  3 star Victor Oladipo and Will Sheehey from out of state played on the same team with those two and outshined them big time.

 

I'm not trying to say that Indiana kids are no good, I'm just saying that judging a kid because they're "from Indiana" as better than others is a very faulty recruiting theory.

[Hovadipo 55,152]

Can you at least admit the NBA has nothing to do with the college game? Lol it's driving me nuts someone so smart cannot see that... Or Atleast the last great college player that carried his team (non midwest) who is a great NBA player?

Edit: I had to go back to Carmelo Anthony to find a legit NBA player who wasn't from the Midwest who was a great college player who carried his team to a title or even a Final Four. I want the best college players possible to win but most of them right now come out of Chicago.

Just for the sake of playing, I would say Steph Curry even though it was an elite eight. Him getting Davidson that far is more impressive than Melo winning Cuse a title in my eyes.

[mdn82 25,510]

Just for the sake of playing, I would say Steph Curry even though it was an elite eight. Him getting Davidson that far is more impressive than Melo winning Cuse a title in my eyes.

I can give you that one. That's at least the last 10 years.

[mdn82 25,510]

Again, no.  The best players play in the best leagues.  Sometimes they peak later in life, but for the most part, the best players are payed big money because they're the best players.  These players are not dominated by Indiana players.

 

The best players in the college game are not dominated by Indiana kids either.  Duke had one Indiana kid of note (Plumlee wasn't good) and he played a limited role in their title game.  Last year's title team had none.

 

 

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT INDIANA KIDS?!?!?!?!?  MIDWEST! MIDWEST!  MIDWEST!!!!  

 

The best players play in the best leagues?  Hmmm, so when we are recruiting what are we recruiting for?  WHO GIVES A DAMN ABOUT WHAT MONEY THEY MAKE AND WHEN THEY PEAK WHEN IT IS NOT AT THE COLLEGE LEVEL?!?!?!?  We are here to recruit kids who give us the best chance to win a title.  Midwest kids (I WILL SAY IT AGAIN), MIDWEST KIDS have been proven over time to come into college with the better fundamentals and typically are the main players on championship caliber teams.  I don't know what in the hell or where you got the idea I was talking about INDIANA high schoolers.  Nobody said a damn thing even close to that.  Not Old Friend or myself once said recruit Indiana.  We both said Midwest and then you are arguing against yourself.  Then the funny thing you are using is the argument the best players being "paid" or in the "best league".  We are not here at IU recruiting for the NBA.  That is a byproduct of their success.  If they happen to be great in the NBA, then great.  That is a recruiting tool.  But recruiting NBA potential at the detriment of the college program that we are recruiting for is the most asinine argument I will see on here.  Gave you numerous opportunities to back out of this argument and you are digging in.  Makes me laugh.  We are not recruiting for the NBA.  How they play beyond their time here is great for them, but not always for our university.  We want players who will win while they are here.  Typically MIDWEST (NOT INDIANA!!!!) kids are the ones who win.  

[HoosierD 504]

Weren't we talking about players instead of coaches? If the best players come from Indiana, they'd be dominating the best basketball in the world. Fact is, they're not.

I really wish some of our fans would be able to see beyond their bias. The best basketball players are scattered around the country (and into Canada). They are not simply located within Indiana and surroundings.

As far as this season, Duke won the title. One player of note was from the midwest. One.

Actually they had three. Jahlil Okafor, Tyus Jones, and Marshall Plumlee.

[HoosierD 504]

Also the best player in the world is from the Midwest.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,969]

Return to your corners!!! The announcer hasn't even read the Tale of the Tape.

In the Blue Corner.........

Hailing from the MIDWEST, a 5 footer, with a sweet jumper, and basketball fundamentals for days, MDN!!!!!!

In the Red Corner........

Hailing from the NBA centric NAPTOWN, comes a leaper, with no semblance of basketball IQ, who is about to dunk in YO FACE, JOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's get it on!

[mdn82 25,510]

If the best college basketball prospects were on the west coast, I would hope we are out there beating that drum.  Just happens we live in the hotbed of college basketball prospects who have been the best players on winning teams.  I hope we stay in the Midwest with the occasional player elsewhere.  Not look exclusively out east.  Being this close to the hotbed you can build a better relationship with AAU programs.