Tom Crean Update from Fred Glass

[ccgeneral 38,084]

He had a lot of equity

He ain't even brown on TP these days.

[BigJoe 55]

It has been upsetting to me to see the personal attacks aimed not only at the coach but also players.

It has been a long time since Indiana was truly an elite program-1987 was a long time ago.

We had a flash in 2002 and a resurgence in the all-to-brief Codipo reign-the base was too weak to sustain.

Rebuilding from a low level and yes, making progress-a long way from the depths.

With some inside talent with size and maybe a few changes by the coach this team in 2015-2016 could challenge for the BIG14 crown and make a long Dance run.

Social media allows views of the fan base-right now that view is mean and hateful and negative- not the powerful positive ever-supportive Hoosier I have known.  The view may be so negative to scare a recruit-away.

[BigJoe 55]

I say be positive and supportive-show some love.

After all, the are Indiana University basketball coaches and players.

They are what we have and they need our support to do the best job they can.

[PointBlank 116]

 

Some fans on here think Bobby is the greatest. What do them fans think of this?

 

'94-'95 > 19-12/11-7. First round exit.

'95-'96 > 19-12/12-6. First round exit. 

'96-'97 > 22-11/9-9. First round exit.

'97-'98 > 20-12/9-7. Second round exit. 

'98-'99 > 23-11/9-7. Second round exit.

'99-'00 > 20-9/10-6. First round exit.

 

He at least made the tournament six years in a row. Back when it was much tougher to qualify for the tournament. Knight's was definitely on the backside of a tremendous career and was trending downward. 

[8bucks 7,088]

I say be positive and supportive-show some love.
After all, the are Indiana University basketball coaches and players.
They are what we have and they need our support to do the best job they can.

I get that but do you think that if we had no grumbling at all and assembly Hall was packed each game and everyone only cheered and no one called Glass to complain that anything would ever change?

Consider the Cubs. Ton of support and the longest record of futility.

[Parakeet Jones 3,882]

 

Some fans on here think Bobby is the greatest. What do them fans think of this?

 

'94-'95 > 19-12/11-7. First round exit.

'95-'96 > 19-12/12-6. First round exit

'96-'97 > 22-11/9-9. First round exit.

'97-'98 > 20-12/9-7. Second round exit. 

'98-'99 > 23-11/9-7. Second round exit.

'99-'00 > 20-9/10-6. First round exit.

 

The point is not how he finished, but where he was before he got here.  Someone at IU saw something in him and took a chance on him.  I agree the finish was not good.  However, we haven't won crap in 20+ years, sort of like before we hired another unknown.  If we just wait on a big name we might never get him or be disappointed.  We might have to go the visionary route at some point.  I just worry we don't have any leadership in place anywhere on campus that can make the bold move to bring in a guy who is on his way up.  

 

And yes, I unashamedly think RMK is the greatest.  Always have, always will. 

[JSHoosier 21,730]

It has been upsetting to me to see the personal attacks aimed not only at the coach but also players.

It has been a long time since Indiana was truly an elite program-1987 was a long time ago.

We had a flash in 2002 and a resurgence in the all-to-brief Codipo reign-the base was too weak to sustain.

Rebuilding from a low level and yes, making progress-a long way from the depths.

With some inside talent with size and maybe a few changes by the coach this team in 2015-2016 could challenge for the BIG14 crown and make a long Dance run.

Social media allows views of the fan base-right now that view is mean and hateful and negative- not the powerful positive ever-supportive Hoosier I have known.  The view may be so negative to scare a recruit-away.

The only way we'll get some changes from the coach is to change the coach.  Crean won't make any changes because at best he flat refuses and at worst he's not capable of it, and frankly I lean towards the latter.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

He at least made the tournament six years in a row. Back when it was much tougher to qualify for the tournament. Knight's was definitely on the backside of a tremendous career and was trending downward. 

64 teams made it back then. The only difference was the four play-in games added in 2011. If anything, his name helped them get in during some of those bubble years.

[JSHoosier 21,730]

 

Some fans on here think Bobby is the greatest. What do them fans think of this?

 

'94-'95 > 19-12/11-7. First round exit.

'95-'96 > 19-12/12-6. First round exit

'96-'97 > 22-11/9-9. First round exit.

'97-'98 > 20-12/9-7. Second round exit. 

'98-'99 > 23-11/9-7. Second round exit.

'99-'00 > 20-9/10-6. First round exit.

 

And we were still top half of the conference each of those seasons.  That was considered down by the standards RMK had established, and unfortunately we're stuck with a coach that has never even seen a 6 year stretch like that.

[ccgeneral 38,084]

And we were still top half of the conference each of those seasons.  That was considered down by the standards RMK had established, and unfortunately we're stuck with a coach that has never even seen a 6 year stretch like that.

Bob Knight had no standards when he left.

[ccgeneral 38,084]

And we were still top half of the conference each of those seasons.  That was considered down by the standards RMK had established, and unfortunately we're stuck with a coach that has never even seen a 6 year stretch like that.

So, you can count Crean's first 3 years and not Knight's last 6? LMAO.

[Dalton26 17,034]

So, you can count Creans first 3 years and not Knight's last 6? LMAO.

I've rarely seen anyone count Creans first 3 years.

[ccgeneral 38,084]

I've rarely seen anyone count Creans first 3 years.

Same for Bobby's last 6?

[Dalton26 17,034]

Same for Bobby's last 6?

Most people still count them but chalk it up to him not caring anymore. Which means more people are giving Crean more leeway.

[JSHoosier 21,730]

So, you can count Crean's first 3 years and not Knight's last 6? LMAO.

I never said anything about that, I said Crean has never seen a 6 year stretch like that at any point in his career.

 

Frankly, I think year 3 should be counted.  I haven't heard an argument that can convince me it shouldn't.  Although it's a moot point because officially they do count.

[ccgeneral 38,084]

Most people still count them but chalk it up to him not caring anymore. Which means more people are giving Crean more leeway.

Honestly, I don't won't anyone part of the program the "don't care". He's a wash these days.

[Dalton26 17,034]

Honestly, I don't won't anyone part of the program that "don't care". He's a wash these days.

I'm with you 100% on that. Whether it be a player or coach.

[coonhounds 10,228]

I will count bobs last six and you can hide creans first three. What is the point crean still isnt as good lol. I liked bob as a coach but had my issues towards the end the biggest difference was I still had hope his team could win any game I dont have that with crean. I cant see arguing over a guy who had three championships and had six sub par seasons the end and saying what had happened under crean is anything close to bobs last six.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Head coaches only get 2 free passes in mind. Their first and second season. By their third season they have 3 classes of kids they recruited, the last two being kids they really want.

Every head coach gets a pass in their first two years in my book regardless of sport.

[ccgeneral 38,084]

I will count bobs last six and you can hide creans first three. What is the point crean still isnt as good lol. I liked bob as a coach but had my issues towards the end the biggest difference was I still had hope his team could win any game I dont have that with crean. I cant see arguing over a guy who had three championships and had six sub par seasons and saying what had happened under crean is anything close to bobs last six.

Bob didn't even have hope in himself. That's why he went out like he did.