IU vs O$U game thread 12 Noon

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

@Justin_Albers: Yogi Ferrell on James Blackmon’s shooting struggles: “I know James is going to bounce back well. He will.” #iubb

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

@ZachOsterman: Tom Crean asked whether he might shuffle starting five. Said he's not sure. "If I knew, I really wouldn’t bring it up in here." #iubb

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

@Justin_Albers: Crean asked about taking Hanner Perea out of starting lineup: “I’ve thought about a lot of things. I may do that. I don’t know.” #iubb

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

@MikeMillerHT: Crean says Perea has responded in practice last few days, but won't say if he'll make a switch with Holt tomorrow.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

@MikeMillerHT: Crean on Blackmon: "I get back from recruiting at 9:30 and he's out there shooting. I'm not worried about him."

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

Someone tell this to Crean please...

@5starbasketball: Move the ball against the zone. Move players against man to man.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Someone tell this to Crean please...

@5starbasketball: Move the ball against the zone. Move players against man to man.

You guys will never give it up hahaha... I say just face it, Crean knows more about the game, players, and coaching them than anyone here.

There are many ways to do things and the result doesn't have to indicate whether the coach was right or wrong. It's basketball; the game is free flowing.

Everyone has the right to complain, but man the regurgitation gets old. No one ever has anything of substance. All recycled, embellished memories. If Brad Stevens lost a game IU "shouldn't," it'd be because the players didn't execute. Because he has earned "capital" as a coach, right? And Crean doesn't, because he definitely hasn't earned any level of respect. Despite taking IU from 0 players to the best stretch of play in 20 some years. Ok, then... Someone alert Tom that there is a contingent of fans on the Internet who know more about coaching than him. We should just have BTB text our players during TV timeouts with instructions. That would probably be better than ol Clappy, right?

I just wish IU fans could take off the blinders and see that we are lucky to have what we have had. IU basketball hasn't been elite in a lifetime. You expect Crean to make IU elite in six years? It was a 10-12 year contract for a reason. How quickly we forget where we were.

I hope IU comes out of this upside down league with 11-12 B1G wins just to spite some of you sorry folks.

[TheWatShot 13,418]

No one ever has anything of substance. 
 

 

Have you ever listened to Crean after a game? He never has anything of substance either. Always says things like "we just need to play with intent" and other drawn out platitudes that don't really answer anyone's questions. 

 

 

The quote by WayneFleekHoosier made a legitimate point. Against Georgetown we had players trying (unsuccessfully) to set screens against the zone. I'm not sure I've ever seen that at any level of basketball. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

For me to say Crean's teams struggle against Zone is not a fabrication. It is fact. He always has excuses for it. Roster limitations, no shooters, not playing hard enough. But when I watch, we don't attack standard areas to make the zone vulnerable. It's not just me or random internet fans. Announcers have discussed this deficiency at length.

If you probe the top of the zone with "threatening/probing" drives you can open up open shooters. Drive and kicks. QUICK ball movement around the horn can generally hit an open shooter far side if defenses are slow, (like our zone). High post, most obvious as a shooter or an entry feed when the double comes.

He rarely does any of these very basic zone attacks because it doesn't match his NBA dribble drive attack strategy.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

Also honest question here?

In the presser, Crean said they had early practice with players putting up "tons" of shots. Then had a weight lifting session. Then more individual practice later.

My question is quite simple about arm fatigue. Should guys be lifting weights during the season/between games/after long practices???

Sounds like a recipe for disaster for shooters in the short term. Maybe ok in the long term but????

Thoughts?

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

Have you ever listened to Crean after a game? He never has anything of substance either. Always says things like "we just need to play with intent" and other drawn out platitudes that don't really answer anyone's questions.


The quote by WayneFleekHoosier made a legitimate point. Against Georgetown we had players trying (unsuccessfully) to set screens against the zone. I'm not sure I've ever seen that at any level of basketball.

I'm sorry Coach doesn't dumb it down for you. Hopefully someone can pass on this request.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

For me to say Crean's teams struggle against Zone is not a fabrication. It is fact. He always has excuses for it. Roster limitations, no shooters, not playing hard enough. But when I watch, we don't attack standard areas to make the zone vulnerable. It's not just me or random internet fans. Announcers have discussed this deficiency at length.

If you probe the top of the zone with "threatening/probing" drives you can open up open shooters. Drive and kicks. QUICK ball movement around the horn can generally hit an open shooter far side if defenses are slow, (like our zone). High post, most obvious as a shooter or an entry feed when the double comes.

He rarely does any of these very basic zone attacks because it doesn't match his NBA dribble drive attack strategy.

I don't always like how IU attacks zone either but to imply that the coach doesn't know what to do? Or is generally incompetent? That's absolutely ridiculous.

[shortspacequickness 1,034]

I don't know where some of this stuff comes from. NBA dribble drive attack? What?? You guys realize Stevens ran the same kind of ball screen continuum at Butler, right?

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

I don't know where some of this stuff comes from. NBA dribble drive attack? What?? You guys realize Stevens ran the same kind of ball screen continuum at Butler, right?

why do u keep bringing up Stevens? I've not brought any other names up. I've just stated the fact Crean struggles to attack a zone. You've extrapolated the rest.

[TheWatShot 13,418]

Also honest question here?

In the presser, Crean said they had early practice with players putting up "tons" of shots. Then had a weight lifting session. Then more individual practice later.

My question is quite simple about arm fatigue. Should guys be lifting weights during the season/between games/after long practices???

Sounds like a recipe for disaster for shooters in the short term. Maybe ok in the long term but????

Thoughts?

 

I played in high school and every now and then we'd lift weights after a 2 hour practice. However, we never did it the day before a game, and we obviously weren't practicing 4 hours a day when we did. 

 

 

This strikes me as another example of Crean overworking his teams and part of the reason they usually collapse every year toward the end. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

I'm sorry Coach doesn't dumb it down for you. Hopefully someone can pass on this request.

its not dumbing it down. It's quite the opposite. Most educated fans want BASKETBALL answers to our problems. Not random answers about effort, energy, missed shots, rebound better, shoot better, cut harder, screen better, etc... Now those are simple dumb remarks. We want legit answers for problems we see. We don't get those answers.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,186]

Okay and back to this being a game thread. I hope and expect us to rebound and play harder. Hopefully we get some ref love to make up for size disparity!

[coonhounds 8,697]

I'm sorry Coach doesn't dumb it down for you. Hopefully someone can pass on this request.

u have to b kidding with these guys right? U really r not calling crean a basketball genius r u? I dont think crean has earned the praise that u r willing to give him to me anybody on this thread can make just as good of point of anything crean has ever said.

[coonhounds 8,697]

I hope we bounce back tomorrow. I can't handle two of those games in a row.

[nighttrain47424 38]

We are stuck with what we got. Not happy with the outcome of some games. But its not going to help anything bitching about it. Atleast we dont have Calipari that would suck ass unless he does run a clean program which I dought.