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3 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

That team was LOADED. I think they had more guys that, at minimum, had cups of coffee in the NBA than us on top of some really freakin' good college players. They had MCW, Gbinije, Rakeem Christmas, and a freshman Jerami Grant that all at least sniffed NBA rosters. Brandon Triche wasn't a cup of coffee guy, but one of the better Syracuse players in my lifetime (maybe ever?). CJ Fair and James Southerland were built in a lab for Boeheim's system. That team was talented as hell playing in a system that has wrecked brackets with exponentially worse rosters.

We had two top 5 lottery picks. One a junior and one a senior, plus tons of experienced role players. Michigan didn’t seem to have much trouble with them.  
 

We looked lost against the 2-3, like we always did under Crean, so much so that Bohiem was poking fun of Crean after the game. 

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Just now, str8baller said:

We had two top 5 lottery picks. One a junior and one a senior, plus tons of experienced role players. Michigan didn’t seem to have much trouble with them.  
 

We looked lost against the 2-3, like we always did under Crean, so much so that Bohiem was poking fun of Crean after the game. 

How about all 3 of those teams (us, Syracuse, Michigan) being loaded? Because they all were. My point was that sometimes it gets lost that that Syracuse team was very, very good in the justified complaints about Crean. 

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3 hours ago, Its Always Sunny at IU said:

Can I please have a not good coach who can win 2 Big Ten titles. Bring me the worst coach in America if he can win a pair of Big Ten Titles in the next 10 years. At the time I wasn't a big Crean fan, but right now I wish we would have kept him instead of hiring Archie. 

I get that it’s been almost 25 years since we have had any sustained success and that for younger fans Crean represents the high water mark got the program. But it still makes me sad.  
 

Is one helluva sign of how far this program has fallen that people are talking about getting Crean back. 
 

I guess the good news, for some, is that Crean is now available after getting fired from UGA.  
 

***Just for historical perspective, winning the B1G is a bare minimum accomplishment that every coach who’s coached at IU at least 4 years over the last hundred years has accomplished…until Archie. Btw, that stat would be every coach who was here at least 3 seasons, but Harry Good’s 18-3 team finished in second place when he was coaching for McCracken while the latter served in WW2. 
 

In other words, the program elevates coaches, even bad coaches. But we still need a good coach to be a top program in the country.  We’re the flagship university in the most basketball crazed place in the world. This should not be as hard as we’ve made it the last two decades. 

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1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I don't get the notion that we played just so "poorly" down here stretch. They were definitely tired though and that was apparent. Went 10-5 from February on. Had losses at Illinois, at Minnesota, #14 Ohio State, #22 Wisconsin, #16 Syracuse. Our wins though were #1 Michigan, at #10 Ohio State, Nebraska(by 29), Purdue(by 28), at #4 Michigan State, Iowa, at #7 Michigan, Illinois, James Madison, Temple. The fatigue and injuries really hurt come tourney time but that Cuse team was really good, really long, really athletic and that was always going to hurt us. That Cuse team would probably be the best team in the nation this year. 

I'm sorry but I don't think this tells the whole story here, and I'm not sure why we're starting from the beginning of February.

We lost 3 out of our last 6 games of the regular season including a loss to a Minnesota team that had a losing record in the Big Ten and were basically dominated by Ohio State and Wisconsin at home. Neither game (OSU, Wiscy) was close and we lost to OSU by 9 and Wisconsin by 12 - at home to teams we were heavily favored to beat. Then we barely beat a Temple team who was basically just one player - Khalif Wyatt. Then we got curb stomped by Syracuse.

I read a book called Missing Banners by Tom Brew (interesting book, dude desperately needs a proofreader), and he talked to Elston about that team who admitted that something was off with the team at the end of the year.

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1 hour ago, HoosierX said:

I'm sorry but I don't think this tells the whole story here, and I'm not sure why we're starting from the beginning of February.

We lost 3 out of our last 6 games of the regular season including a loss to a Minnesota team that had a losing record in the Big Ten and were basically dominated by Ohio State and Wisconsin at home. Neither game (OSU, Wiscy) was close and we lost to OSU by 9 and Wisconsin by 12 - at home to teams we were heavily favored to beat. Then we barely beat a Temple team who was basically just one player - Khalif Wyatt. Then we got curb stomped by Syracuse.

I read a book called Missing Banners by Tom Brew (interesting book, dude desperately needs a proofreader), and he talked to Elston about that team who admitted that something was off with the team at the end of the year.

Yea we lost to good teams. That Minnesota team was pretty good, the Big Ten was just that strong that year. That Minnesota team had Mbakwe, Williams and Hollins x2. So sure we lost 3 games, it definitely wasn't the ending we wanted, Cream definitely screwed up, but that team went through an absolute gauntlet at the end and in a Big Ten that makes this year look like the MAC. 

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