College Bball Thread

[LamarCheeks 19,040]

9 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Former Illinois guard, Mark Smith, announced he's transferring to Missouri.  

I'm surprised Illinois is allowing this. Many times, a school will grant a kid's release as long as he/she doesn't transfer within the conference or to an out-of-conference rival.

[Brass Cannon 24,831]

3 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm surprised Illinois is allowing this. Many times, a school will grant a kid's release as long as he/she doesn't transfer within the conference or to an out-of-conference rival.

Probably threatened to talk 

[LamarCheeks 19,040]

More controversy for Steve Alford. A he said-he said dispute over the dismissal of his assistant. It's funny, when he was at IU, he was the All-American boy -- good-looking, great player, steadfast in his faith, dated his high school sweetheart (later married her), etc. But at some point, he seems to have become kind of a sleazeball. Don't know it it started with the Pierre Pierce incident or what. I've heard that the people in Iowa detest him. And what kind of coach -- one who supposedly has the highest of morals and is a devout Christian -- calls an opposing player an "a**hole" in the handshake line? He bails on New Mexico just days after agreeing to a 10-year contract extension. And now, it seems UCLA fans want him out. So did he morph from Jack Armstrong into a some kind of sleazy snake-oil salesman, or was he a wolf in sheep's clothing all along? 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-murry-bartow-20180416-story.html

[Chris007 44,113]

7 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

More controversy for Steve Alford. A he said-he said dispute over the dismissal of his assistant. It's funny, when he was at IU, he was the All-American boy -- good-looking, great player, steadfast in his faith, dated his high school sweetheart (later married her), etc. But at some point, he seems to have become kind of a sleazeball. Don't know it it started with the Pierre Pierce incident or what. I've heard that the people in Iowa detest him. And what kind of coach -- one who supposedly has the highest of morals and is a devout Christian -- calls an opposing player an "a**hole" in the handshake line? He bails on New Mexico just days after agreeing to a 10-year contract extension. And now, it seems UCLA fans want him out. So did he morph from Jack Armstrong into a some kind of sleazy snake-oil salesman, or was he a wolf in sheep's clothing all along? 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-murry-bartow-20180416-story.html

Well as an 11-year-old boy at the 87 national championship banquet I couldn't wait for the autograph session at the end. But to my surprise who was the only player who left without signing one autograph. Yes Steve Alford. I think he has always had this side to me. My dad played golf with him a few times and always had nice things to say about him.

 

I also believe there was a story about a secretary and hot tub at Iowa and his wife coming home early. Anyone remember anything like that?

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

48 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

More controversy for Steve Alford. A he said-he said dispute over the dismissal of his assistant. It's funny, when he was at IU, he was the All-American boy -- good-looking, great player, steadfast in his faith, dated his high school sweetheart (later married her), etc. But at some point, he seems to have become kind of a sleazeball. Don't know it it started with the Pierre Pierce incident or what. I've heard that the people in Iowa detest him. And what kind of coach -- one who supposedly has the highest of morals and is a devout Christian -- calls an opposing player an "a**hole" in the handshake line? He bails on New Mexico just days after agreeing to a 10-year contract extension. And now, it seems UCLA fans want him out. So did he morph from Jack Armstrong into a some kind of sleazy snake-oil salesman, or was he a wolf in sheep's clothing all along? 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-murry-bartow-20180416-story.html

Grace was a lead recruiter for TJ Leaf, Kris Wilkes and a top 50 kid they got this year. Seemed really well liked and most of the reactions from sports writers that cover the Pac-12/West Coast seemed shocked by this. Hopefully, it comes back to finally bite Alford. He has always seemed incredibly arrogant to me.  

[Brass Cannon 24,831]

1 minute ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Grace was a lead recruiter for TJ Leaf, Kris Wilkes and a top 50 kid they got this year. Seemed really well liked and most of the reactions from sports writers that cover the Pac-12/West Coast seemed shocked by this. Hopefully, it comes back to finally bite Alford. He has always seemed incredibly arrogant to me.  

Somebody is going to snag Grace soon. Hopefully not in the big ten 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

Just now, Brass Cannon said:

Somebody is going to snag Grace soon. Hopefully not in the big ten 

Yep, he won't last long. Apparently he interviewed for the Fresno St HC job but didn't get it. Wonder if something happened there that rubbed Alford the wrong way. Either way, it's a loss for Alford and Grace will land on his feet in no time. 

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

26 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Grace was a lead recruiter for TJ Leaf, Kris Wilkes and a top 50 kid they got this year. Seemed really well liked and most of the reactions from sports writers that cover the Pac-12/West Coast seemed shocked by this. Hopefully, it comes back to finally bite Alford. He has always seemed incredibly arrogant to me.  

Reeks of insecurity on Alford's part. Maybe he was afraid the well-liked assistant would take his job?

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,232]

More controversy for Steve Alford. A he said-he said dispute over the dismissal of his assistant. It's funny, when he was at IU, he was the All-American boy -- good-looking, great player, steadfast in his faith, dated his high school sweetheart (later married her), etc. But at some point, he seems to have become kind of a sleazeball. Don't know it it started with the Pierre Pierce incident or what. I've heard that the people in Iowa detest him. And what kind of coach -- one who supposedly has the highest of morals and is a devout Christian -- calls an opposing player an "a**hole" in the handshake line? He bails on New Mexico just days after agreeing to a 10-year contract extension. And now, it seems UCLA fans want him out. So did he morph from Jack Armstrong into a some kind of sleazy snake-oil salesman, or was he a wolf in sheep's clothing all along? 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/la-sp-ucla-murry-bartow-20180416-story.html

And to think some of the fan base wanted Crean 2.0 .

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[Hardwood83 4,774]

32 minutes ago, iufaninillinois said:

And to think some of the fan base wanted Crean 2.0 .

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Wouldn't you guess that was just the casual fans who remember him as a player, but had no idea what about his coaching performance? 

Anyone that had followed his career from Iowa on and wanted him at IU is an idiot, IMO. 

[TXHoosierDaddy 1,375]

5 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Wouldn't you guess that was just the casual fans who remember him as a player, but had no idea what about his coaching performance? 

Anyone that had followed his career from Iowa on and wanted him at IU is an idiot, IMO. 

Also, Dan Dakich beat the heck out of that drum!

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,232]

Wouldn't you guess that was just the casual fans who remember him as a player, but had no idea what about his coaching performance? 
Anyone that had followed his career from Iowa on and wanted him at IU is an idiot, IMO. 

I agree. But if I recall correctly, there were a couple on this board that argued for him. I could be wrong though

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[Brass Cannon 24,831]

9 minutes ago, iufaninillinois said:

I agree. But if I recall correctly, there were a couple on this board that argued for him. I could be wrong though

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There were a handful for sure

[LamarCheeks 19,040]

2 hours ago, iufaninillinois said:

And to think some of the fan base wanted Crean 2.0 .

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I still can't figure out what was going on at the presser after Glass fired Crean. It sure seemed like he was calling for Alford to come back to IU. There weren't that many fellows who filled all his check-plus-plus or double-check-plus (or whatever the hell it was) criteria, except for Alford. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he went into the search with Alford at the top of his list, then got a bunch of backlash from fans, alumni, etc., not interested in bringing him back for myriad reasons -- including his handling of the Pierre Pierce incident and the simple fact that he hasn't proven himself to be an elite coach. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,232]

I still can't figure out what was going on at the presser after Glass fired Crean. It sure seemed like he was calling for Alford to come back to IU. There weren't that many fellows who filled all his check-plus-plus or double-check-plus (or whatever the hell it was) criteria, except for Alford. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he went into the search with Alford at the top of his list, then got a bunch of backlash from fans, alumni, etc., not interested in bringing him back for myriad reasons -- including his handling of the Pierre Pierce incident and the simple fact that he hasn't proven himself to be an elite coach. 

That is possible

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[Chris007 44,113]

6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I still can't figure out what was going on at the presser after Glass fired Crean. It sure seemed like he was calling for Alford to come back to IU. There weren't that many fellows who filled all his check-plus-plus or double-check-plus (or whatever the hell it was) criteria, except for Alford. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he went into the search with Alford at the top of his list, then got a bunch of backlash from fans, alumni, etc., not interested in bringing him back for myriad reasons -- including his handling of the Pierre Pierce incident and the simple fact that he hasn't proven himself to be an elite coach. 

I think it was a head fake more than anything but also Alford refused to interview for the job, either give it to him or not he said. 

[Magnanimous 4,603]

6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I still can't figure out what was going on at the presser after Glass fired Crean. It sure seemed like he was calling for Alford to come back to IU. There weren't that many fellows who filled all his check-plus-plus or double-check-plus (or whatever the hell it was) criteria, except for Alford. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he went into the search with Alford at the top of his list, then got a bunch of backlash from fans, alumni, etc., not interested in bringing him back for myriad reasons -- including his handling of the Pierre Pierce incident and the simple fact that he hasn't proven himself to be an elite coach. 

Alford was simply Crean without the burned bridges to Indiana HS coaches. It would have been a terrible hire.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,844]

NCAA proposal re:  transfers and grad-transfers.

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/working-group-supports-notification-transfer-proposal

[LamarCheeks 19,040]

20 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

NCAA proposal re:  transfers and grad-transfers.

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/working-group-supports-notification-transfer-proposal

Interesting about the grad transfers. ... It's true that some players who finish their degrees and have a year of eligibility remaining leave for greener pastures (Trey Porter, Ryan Taylor, etc.) or because they want to play in the NCAAs and figure their current team has no shot. But what about guys like Max Bielfelt, who were told by their coach (Beilien) that they won't have a scholarship for a fifth season? Or Matt Roth, who could've played somewhere a his fifth season had he wanted. Should a school be "punished" for taking them in when they were essentially booted from their old programs? 

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

4 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

Interesting about the grad transfers. ... It's true that some players who finish their degrees and have a year of eligibility remaining leave for greener pastures (Trey Porter, Ryan Taylor, etc.) or because they want to play in the NCAAs and figure their current team has no shot. But what about guys like Max Bielfelt, who were told by their coach (Beilien) that they won't have a scholarship for a fifth season? Or Matt Roth, who could've played somewhere a his fifth season had he wanted. Should a school be "punished" for taking them in when they were essentially booted from their old programs? 

Rationale for that? What's with people wanting people compensated for nothing?