College Bball Thread

[X-Hoosier 529]

SMH... I was going to be a Purdue Person, but I have as good a chance of getting through as your 9th grade teacher next year. Did you ever have a Statistics class in middle school? What did they say about small sample sizes? Go back to 2012 and before. Add that to your list. Get back with me. Sorry the B1G is traditionally stronger than your childhood memories of the last 3 years. Why don't you ask your idol Cal where he sits on this topic. I am sure he will be far more receptive.

I went back to Crean's first year.

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[mdn82 25,510]

I went back to Crean's first year.

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Lmao ok... 2012, 2011, 2010? The previous years were dependent on doing something in the pre season tournaments, much like this last year. You know like when we should have played Kansas instead of UNLV which would have helped our SOS immensely. But hey I am sure you already knew all of that.

[mdn82 25,510]

Plus you do realize the B1G conference goes back further than Crean's tenure right? Especially when we are discussing how the strength of the conference usually pulls the SOS up.

[mdn82 25,510]

The problem with our schedule isn't scheduling top 50 opponents. It's that we schedule 200-300 RPI teams in the Non-Con slate. If we can trim those to 100-200 RPI and include a couple top 25 teams in the Non Con, our SOS would constantly be top 30. I agree with you Ex-Hoosier, we should schedule games against the likes of UNC, Duke, Arizona, Kentucky, etc, but we have to win those type of games when we get the chance before scheduling 5 of those games in a season. Because there's no point in having those teams on your schedule if you're just going to get thrashed by 20. And some teams when they're looking to schedule elite teams, aren't going to schedule us. Everything comes with winning.

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I agree with this. Our problem isn't our top 50 scheduling, it is how weak some of the teams are we play. We turn even 5 of the 250+ into 100-150 and we soon have a top 20 schedule most years if the B1G is what it normally is.

[X-Hoosier 529]

Plus you do realize the B1G conference goes back further than Crean's tenure right? Especially when we are discussing how the strength of the conference usually pulls the SOS up.

Yes. Kenpom only goes back to 2002 for one. Do you want those? Cause I don't see you stating any facts to support yourself. Just getting mad at facts going against you.

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[X-Hoosier 529]

I have a small penis, and I am sorry for constantly being a pain in the ass to everyone.

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[mdn82 25,510]

Yes. Kenpom only goes back to 2002 for one. Do you want those? Cause I don't see you stating any facts to support yourself. Just getting mad at facts going against you.

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2 things. You annoy the **** out of most of us. You don't make us mad. If you did that you would be gone for all that it is that you do with arguing with every poster you come into contact with. 2nd. You know SOS or versions of it were used long before Pomeroy right? So if this your way of trying to push me I think you are barking up the wrong tree. You haven't answered 10% of what I threw out there. So why don't you go back to your site and write about it. If anybody gives a **** about what you have to say they would follow you. Fair enough?

[mdn82 25,510]

I have a small penis, and I am sorry for constantly being a pain in the ass to everyone.

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Awesome

[Uspshoosier 45,877]

Lmao ok... 2012, 2011, 2010? The previous years were dependent on doing something in the pre season tournaments, much like this last year. You know like when we should have played Kansas instead of UNLV which would have helped our SOS immensely. But hey I am sure you already knew all of that.

Playing St. John's instead of vandy didn't help the sos either.

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[mdn82 25,510]

Playing St. John's instead of vandy didn't help the sos either.

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No but beating them to get to Kansas would have. Plus playing any team not named Kentucky in the SEC should be like your 4th or 5th best non conference game.

[Uspshoosier 45,877]

No but beating them to get to Kansas would have. Plus playing any team not named Kentucky in the SEC should be like your 4th or 5th best non conference game.

I agree with you. I was just pointing out iu had an opportunity to have a better sos then they ended up. Take away Unlv and St. John's rpi numbers and add Kansas and vandy's and it would look more respectable.

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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I agree with you. I was just pointing out iu had an opportunity to have a better sos then they ended up. Take away Unlv and St. John's rpi numbers and add Kansas and vandy's and it would look more respectable.

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A lot more respectable, enough so IU's seed would have been a 2 or 3 at worst.

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[mdn82 25,510]

I agree with you. I was just pointing out iu had an opportunity to have a better sos then they ended up. Take away Unlv and St. John's rpi numbers and add Kansas and vandy's and it would look more respectable.

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I agree. I think our problems in scheduling is with the weakest teams we schedule not the top. It wouldn't be bad to get a Louisville or Xavier in that Kentucky spot. But to schedule UNC, Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky at neutral spots are asinine. Even if you go 2-2 what do you gain? A "battle tested" squad? With how hard Crean practices out of the gate we would have little confidence by December and a wore down team.

[Uspshoosier 45,877]

Top 30 schedule in what world? It has been a few years. The Big Ten has been very down the last 3 seasons and it has shown in our SOS. Last year Kenpom had us at 64. Year before at 65. Year before that at 58. 2013 we had a Top 30.. we were at 17. 2012 at 16. 2011 at 27. 2010 at 61. 2009 at 3. So only 4 times under Crean. This year is looking like another year outside the Top 50.

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I would use the sos that the committee would use instead of kenpom. This year was 100, last year was 23 and year Before that was 56. 2013-11, 2012-35,

While you might think the big 10 is hurting sos the numbers don't really show that being the case. Take wisky for example. If the big 10 was down as you say it was then they wouldn't of made the tournament this year. Wisky had 5 top 50 wins last year, 4 of those wins came against big 10 teams. You might not like rpi or there sos but until the committee changes it we are stuck with it. Kenpom numbers are fun to look at but at the end of the day they don't hold any weight ( unless you are whicita st). The big 10 ended up with 6 teams in the rpi top 50 (11, 14, 15, 24, 28, 41) or for kenpom lovers (5, 14, 15, 23, 25, 33).

A down year in the big 10 is still better then most conferences

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[Uspshoosier 45,877]

I agree. I think our problems in scheduling is with the weakest teams we schedule not the top. It wouldn't be bad to get a Louisville or Xavier in that Kentucky spot. But to schedule UNC, Duke, Kansas, and Kentucky at neutral spots are asinine. Even if you go 2-2 what do you gain? A "battle tested" squad? With how hard Crean practices out of the gate we would have little confidence by December and a wore down team.

Mike Davis tried that schedule once in 2004. It looked good on paper and I'm betting iu ended up with a top 5 sos. Problem is you actually have to win some of the games

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_Indiana_Hoosiers_men%27s_basketball_team

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[X-Hoosier 529]

Mike Davis tried that schedule once in 2004. It looked good on paper and I'm betting iu ended up with a top 5 sos. Problem is you actually have to win some of the games

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004%E2%80%9305_Indiana_Hoosiers_men%27s_basketball_team

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Davis did try it seemed. But he couldn't put a great team on the court. All of the elite schools should be encouraged to schedule tough. Look how much it has helped Kansas with seeding. They lost 10 games with Wiggins and got a 2 seed. Indiana shouldn't be the only one trying it. Indiana, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Michigan State, Ohio state, Arizona, UCLA, Louisville, UConn, Villanova.. I'm not saying schedule all of them. We should schedule 3 or 4 of those teams along with maybe 1 or 2 really good mid majors. The scheduling of 300+ RPI teams really needs to stop. There is nothing wrong with a super tough schedule. You may lose a couple more games but it won't be looked down upon.

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[X-Hoosier 529]

2 things. You annoy the **** out of most of us. You don't make us mad. If you did that you would be gone for all that it is that you do with arguing with every poster you come into contact with. 2nd. You know SOS or versions of it were used long before Pomeroy right? So if this your way of trying to push me I think you are barking up the wrong tree. You haven't answered 10% of what I threw out there. So why don't you go back to your site and write about it. If anybody gives a **** about what you have to say they would follow you. Fair enough?

I may write about it. Write about how CBB is lacking in entertainment. Though they are trying to fix their numbers so I'll give them credit. But maybe I wont. My last one was a good one. Thomas Bryant is #1 on it.

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[Uspshoosier 45,877]

Davis did try it seemed. But he couldn't put a great team on the court. All of the elite schools should be encouraged to schedule tough. Look how much it has helped Kansas with seeding. They lost 10 games with Wiggins and got a 2 seed. Indiana shouldn't be the only one trying it. Indiana, Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Kansas, Michigan State, Ohio state, Arizona, UCLA, Louisville, UConn, Villanova.. I'm not saying schedule all of them. We should schedule 3 or 4 of those teams along with maybe 1 or 2 really good mid majors. The scheduling of 300+ RPI teams really needs to stop. There is nothing wrong with a super tough schedule. You may lose a couple more games but it won't be looked down upon.

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Technically iu and Kansas played the same amount of +300 rpi teams (1). Iu -McNeese st and Kansas -northern Colorado. But I agree less +200 teams and more between 100-150 range. Michigan st going on the road to play northeastern might not seem like a lot but at the end of the year it was a win on the road against a rpi 108 team, which in the committee's eyes held more weight then a win at northwestern (111)

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[X-Hoosier 529]

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[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,853]

We should all send our condolences out to our resident BlueDevil2aHoosier.  Bob Harris "Voice of Blue Devils" is retiring after 4 decades.  He's called 1,358 Blue Devil men's ballgames.    

Anybody have a handle on Fisch's numbers?