College Bball Thread

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,623]

Just now, hoosierbgh said:

I'm not sure why anyone is wasting even a second arguing about this. It should be pretty obvious to anyone who has watched college bball in the last decade exactly what will happen. During the first two months of the season the refs will hyper focus on the rule change to the point that it slows down the game and repeatedly stops momentum. Despite this hyper focus, the refs will still get the call wrong more often than not. Then just in time for conference season, the refs will conveniently forget the rule change ever occurred. Regardless of the time of the season, Edey will be allowed to bulldoze defenders out of his way, grab and hold the defenders arms and push opponents with superior rebounding position in the back. 

In short, even if there was a good chance that the rule changes would improve the game, the refs won't call it consistently and will soon forget about the rule change. 

Biggest reason it needs taken out of the game. Refs are God awful at calling the rule consistently. It changes from possession to possession.

[Brass Cannon 24,271]

14 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Biggest reason it needs taken out of the game. Refs are God awful at calling the rule consistently. It changes from possession to possession.

This I would agree with.  Really any rule that can’t be called consistently called correctly either needs to be revamped or something I have been saying for years basketball needs another official. These guys have gotten too fast and too athletic 

[Scotty R 2,127]

29 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Defense was also worse back in the day in age you want basketball returned to. And shooting percentages really haven't changed at all. A team inability to run an offense is on the coaches and players, not the shot clock.

Sure it was, just watch the Georgetown team in the 80's that defense was bad. Our IU 76 team was a great defensive team. Players back in the day were more experience and more fundamentally sound. Teams were better because they stayed together for 4 years.  Until they learn the adapt in college the 30 second clock causes to many forced and contested shots at the end of the clock. It also caused every team to play the same way and there is very little originality in the offense today.  You had teams average over a 100 before the shot clock but also had teams run good offense until they got a good shot.

[Scotty R 2,127]

Maybe we should just do away with dribbling and just let players to run with ball like a running back.  The game has been played at a high rate for years but young guys want to just change everything.  If you have only seen one way of the game being played you don't have the advantage of seeing different ways of playing.

[BGleas 7,880]

56 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Biggest reason it needs taken out of the game. Refs are God awful at calling the rule consistently. It changes from possession to possession.

There is no worse officiating in sports than a college basketball ref calling a charge. 

They're absolutely horrendous at it. It's worse than NFL refs trying to figure out what a catch is. 

[RaceToTheTop 25,031]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

That's just unreasonable to ask to somehow stop on a dime on one foot because someone slides underneath them. Maybe just go straight and contest... Meaning less fouls, less FTs and a faster game.

Strawman argument.  And the new rule does not allow a player to slide underneath.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,623]

35 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Strawman argument.  And the new rule does not allow a player to slide underneath.

It'll be happening and allowed by January.

[HoosierHoopster 6,854]

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

This I would agree with.  Really any rule that can’t be called consistently called correctly either needs to be revamped or something I have been saying for years basketball needs another official. These guys have gotten too fast and too athletic 

Where I come down as well. We get caught up in the rule change questions but in college officiating the lack of consistent calls is just so bad it significantly impacts the game. Sometimes it’s refs influenced by the home crowd (cough, Wisc), but it does seem like the refs often just can’t call it consistently bc hey they’re human and the athletes are moving faster and faster in today’s game.

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30 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It'll be happening and allowed by January.

Then just get rid of every rule since they’ll be missed sometimes.

[str8baller 5,079]

5 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

It isn't an invitation to anything other than better basketball. It doesn't take away offensive fouls. It just means a defender can't slide in front of a player and get ran over. You can still contest shots without fouling. It doesn't change basketball. Instead of the dude setting themselves to get ran over, they go straight up to contest a shot. Verticality is allowed in basketball. Roy Hibbert made it pretty famous.

If it didn’t change anything they wouldn’t be changing the rule. Lol…i don’t know how you even argue that. 

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14 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

I'm sure it won't be popular, but I agree with this. Never gonna happen, but it should at least go back to 35.

I wouldn’t mind 35, it favors more sophisticated offenses. The problem is today there aren’t a ton of longer-developing offenses due to the mass transfers and widespread playing of young guys.  So having a longer shot clock just leads to guys dribbling aimlessly for longer before going 1-on-1 at the end of the clock.  Still bad basketball, just 5 more sec of it.   
 

I thought the NBA’s move to 8 sec to advance the past half court was a good move. It incentivizes teams to get the ball up and into their offense sooner and also rewards teams that want to play aggressive defense past the half court line. The college game could implement that pretty easily, imo.

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Then just get rid of every rule since they’ll be missed sometimes.

There isn't a rule missed as much as the charge/block rule. Most inconsistent call in the sport.

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5 hours ago, BGleas said:

There is no worse officiating in sports than a college basketball ref calling a charge. 

They're absolutely horrendous at it. It's worse than NFL refs trying to figure out what a catch is. 

I'm pretty sure some of them only look to see if the defender is outside of the circle at the time of the collision. If he's outside, it's a charge, if he's not it's a block. They don't even care if he was set or not. This rule change wouldn't really affect that since they already don't care about the timing.

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3 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I'm pretty sure some of them only look to see if the defender is outside of the circle at the time of the collision. If he's outside, it's a charge, if he's not it's a block. They don't even care if he was set or not. This rule change wouldn't really affect that since they already don't care about the timing.

I dont really think that's it. They were horrible at the charge/block call before the semi circle was introduced in the college game. 

College refs reward the defense way too much for crappy defense. The benefit of the doubt should always go to the offensive player on those bang-bang block/charge calls. But college refs love to call charges. 

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[AZ Hoosier 6,577]

2 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

There isn't a rule missed as much as the charge/block rule. Most inconsistent call in the sport.

Unless it's traveling when going for the layup... used to be one step... now it's anywhere between 4 and 5... and shuffling your feet doesn't count...

[Scotty R 2,127]

17 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Unless it's traveling when going for the layup... used to be one step... now it's anywhere between 4 and 5... and shuffling your feet doesn't count...

If you called travel literally to the letter of the law that the euro step and the jump stop is traveling. If you go up in the air with both feet off the floor then come back down that is a travel.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,623]

1 hour ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Unless it's traveling when going for the layup... used to be one step... now it's anywhere between 4 and 5... and shuffling your feet doesn't count...

You're allowed two steps in college, not one. In the NBA it's a "gather" and then two steps you're allowed. The gather is sort of complicated amd seems very inconsistent... As in, if you're not Giannis, Harden, LeBron etc... You ain't getting away with it.

[RaceToTheTop 25,031]

5 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

There isn't a rule missed as much as the charge/block rule. Most inconsistent call in the sport.

I'm in favor of actively trying to get it called in a more consistent manner rather than throwing my hands in the air and just giving up on it.  The unintended consequence of getting rid of blocks and charges will result in players playing offense and defense with more pushes and holds, and the charge/block arguments would just change to pushes constitute.  The NCAA's ref issues are fixable IF they are serious about doing it.  As long as they aren't, removal of rules will just result in a more bullish style of play.

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2 hours ago, RaceToTheTop said:

I'm in favor of actively trying to get it called in a more consistent manner rather than throwing my hands in the air and just giving up on it.  The unintended consequence of getting rid of blocks and charges will result in players playing offense and defense with more pushes and holds, and the charge/block arguments would just change to pushes constitute.  The NCAA's ref issues are fixable IF they are serious about doing it.  As long as they aren't, removal of rules will just result in a more bullish style of play.

Y'all are way overthinking it. It doesn't mean there won't be offensive fouls or defensive fouls. A defender just couldn't step in the way with the sole purpose of getting ran over. Everything else stays the same. That player instead contest the shot straight up or not. Then the ref is only deciding on verticality rather than if the defender was set, feet outside the circle, the offensive player wasn't out of control, defender was set on time. It's then just a shooting foul or not a shooting foul and move. On rare occasion, an offensive foul.