CTC Presser on WTHR @ 12:30 ET

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,919]

That's my point. Cream said it was a 4 game suspension so they'd have to sit the next 3 not the next 2 like some are saying.

Staff is spinning things to look good to all parties. It's a 4 game suspension to the fans because fans want lesson taught. It's a 3 game suspension to Rules/Policies and players families because they are wanted on the court. It's a PR spin.

No other reason HoosierMom would describe it as she did.

[HoosierD 504]

That's my point. Cream said it was a 4 game suspension so they'd have to sit the next 3 not the next 2 like some are saying.

Not that I could do any better but seems like he has said things and later contradicted himself just in these last few days. I've heard they were getting 3, then 4, then he said they should sit more than 4, then 3 bc exhibition only count as 1/2 games in his eyes, then today he said he thought 4 was the right amount.

[coonhounds 8,787]

Staff is spinning things to look good to all parties. It's a 4 game suspension to the fans because fans want lesson taught. It's a 3 game suspension to Rules/Policies and players families because they are wanted on the court. It's a PR spin.

No other reason HoosierMom would describe it as she did.

if true it is dissapointing from a disciplinary stand point I think r standard should always b harder than the ncaa minimum

[AZ Hoosier 6,528]

The half game crap makes no sense. If they only count as half then they'd miss the next 3 games after. So technically it's 5 games. Unless I'm just completely confused.

 

The exhibition game, apparently counts as ½ game. So 2 exhibition games = 1 game, plus 2 cupcakes = 3 total games. It’s BS to me, but whatever.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

The exhibition game, apparently counts as ½ game. So 2 exhibition games = 1 game, plus 2 cupcakes = 3 total games. It’s BS to me, but whatever.

Hoosiermom was arguing to those who said the exhibitions shouldn't count that they are still games even if you personally only wanted to count them as half as important. That's where the 3 games came from.

Officially, they are suspended 4 games. They will be back in time for SMU. Exhibitions officially count as games. There's no other way of calculating the length of the suspensions.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

 

Jeff Rabjohns ‏@JeffRabjohns  4m

Re: 4-game suspensions, Crean said handbook says exhibitions are a part of it, and 4 is an extra game than called for. #iubb

 

 

I bet if SMU was the 6th game of the season (including exhibition) those players would have gotten 5 game suspensions :)

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

43 Minutes of Coach Crean... Enjoy

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvKEI6RJEcU

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,919]

Thanks #1CA.

 

Makes as much sense as any.  I was just confused by how it was explained to her.  She said the coaches talked to her directly then explained it as a 3 games suspension.  Used the word half with the exhibitions. 

 

Either way, on to the next hurdle.

 

Oh, did I mention Nick Z gets it?  Gotta like that kid. 

[AZ Hoosier 6,528]

Hoosiermom was arguing to those who said the exhibitions shouldn't count that they are still games even if you personally only wanted to count them as half as important. That's where the 3 games came from.

Officially, they are suspended 4 games. They will be back in time for SMU. Exhibitions officially count as games. There's no other way of calculating the length of the suspensions.

 

As I said elsewhere on these boards, it’s at best an exercise in futility for us. I am extremely doubtful that anone at IU will read these posts - an on the outside chance that they do, that they will give any credence to anything written herein. The bottom line, whatever we say - whether it’s "look the other way" or "line them all up an shoot them" will have the same impact on the program - ZERO.

 

Moving on.  :(

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

if true it is dissapointing from a disciplinary stand point I think r standard should always b harder than the ncaa minimum

I don't think (I could be wrong) it was an NCAA minimum issue, it was the rules and policies for IU athletics

[iamaparker1 51]

What I used to do was put the "screw ups in tge center circle and have them sit as all their teammates ran until the vomited. Usually only had to do this once a season, and usually it worked. Lol

[Hoosiers96 912]

Just got done watching most of the interview and I have a feeling 99% of people will disagree but that seemed to be a very effective interview. He's shown he's a good mentor and overall good guy and I think it's become evident that he is honestly trying his hardest to straighten things out. If anything, these incidents were at least a wake up call for him to start doing a better job and executing what he says and also for the players to watch out for one another and show a lot more discipline and leadership on and off the court. I'm not gonna argue about who needs to be the coach from next year on but I will say I gained more respect for him after this and I will continue to support him and the players as this is our Indiana Hoosiers at the moment.

[CampHoosier 3,697]

Crean's most important presser. He answered mostly how I wanted. Spoke about not fearing becoming a tyrant. Feeling blame for what has happened. I think what spoke most to me was that 2 days before Hanner's arrest they had Chris Herren talk to the team. If you are unfamiliar, he had a 30 for 30 done about his struggles with substance abuse. It sounds like to me, and I said this from the start, these players don't respect their coach or Indiana. You can't babysit. You can do as much as possible, but ultimately it falls on the leaders of the team. Nick Zeisloft is the only leader. Yogi has failed his teammates and this fan base and really didn't help with his statements about us living in a different society. I truly hope Devin's recovery is speedy. I hope even more that the fans of this team support Emmitt Holt through what has to be a living nightmare. Go Hoosiers and nobody else. 

[TheStillman 991]

If Crean would've given one or two sentence answers everyone would say it wasn't sufficient.  Instead he went in depth and talked for 45 minutes on all the topics we all want to hear from him on and the story on here is that he's too long winded, going on tangents.  What the hell do people want?  If this press conference wasn't good enough what should he have done differently?  I don't mean to attack anyone, I am honestly curious.  

[smitty3725 7]

If Crean suspends the players for the SMU game and we were to lose the game it would be because he can't coach and his sub patterns were awful. Some still just can't accept the fact that Bob Knight isn't walking back through that door. If we had Stevens, Alford, or anyone else for that matter you would be stuck reading the same stuff about them as well. Crean recruits players on their abilities and potential, everyone is going to say Johnny is a great kid, but when your 18-20 years old the temptations to drink or smoke are strong. If you think the kids at UK, Duke, UNC, and every where else aren't doing the same thing your blind. The problem is 25 years ago if a cop caught a kid drinking he took the bottle and that was it, so it went unheard of.

[JSHoosier 19,811]

If Crean suspends the players for the SMU game and we were to lose the game it would be because he can't coach and his sub patterns were awful. Some still just can't accept the fact that Bob Knight isn't walking back through that door. If we had Stevens, Alford, or anyone else for that matter you would be stuck reading the same stuff about them as well. Crean recruits players on their abilities and potential, everyone is going to say Johnny is a great kid, but when your 18-20 years old the temptations to drink or smoke are strong. If you think the kids at UK, Duke, UNC, and every where else aren't doing the same thing your blind. The problem is 25 years ago if a cop caught a kid drinking he took the bottle and that was it, so it went unheard of.

And if Johnny does he should be held accountable.  Not swept under the rug, or a slap on the wrist saying "don't do it again".  if Johnny screws up 3 times, like Stan, then he should be kicked off the team.

[smitty3725 7]

And if Johnny does he should be held accountable. Not swept under the rug, or a slap on the wrist saying "don't do it again". if Johnny screws up 3 times, like Stan, then he should be kicked off the team.

I agree with if it's his third time he should serve more than Troy and Holt. He got arrested with Yogi, now this, but what was his third offense. Also, I'm sure there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than what any of us know here. Just because that's all he gets game wise doesn't mean that he hasn't severely paid the price for this.

[JSHoosier 19,811]

I agree with if it's his third time he should serve more than Troy and Holt. He got arrested with Yogi, now this, but what was his third offense. Also, I'm sure there is a lot more going on behind the scenes than what any of us know here. Just because that's all he gets game wise doesn't mean that he hasn't severely paid the price for this.

Stan failed drug tests last season too. That makes 3.

This suspension that is essentially 2 games is ludicrous. I can't even call it a punishment without laughing. It's nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

[8bucks 6,341]

If Crean suspends the players for the SMU game and we were to lose the game it would be because he can't coach and his sub patterns were awful. Some still just can't accept the fact that Bob Knight isn't walking back through that door. If we had Stevens, Alford, or anyone else for that matter you would be stuck reading the same stuff about them as well. Crean recruits players on their abilities and potential, everyone is going to say Johnny is a great kid, but when your 18-20 years old the temptations to drink or smoke are strong. If you think the kids at UK, Duke, UNC, and every where else aren't doing the same thing your blind. The problem is 25 years ago if a cop caught a kid drinking he took the bottle and that was it, so it went unheard of.

If all those other schools doing this why the focus on Indiana? Why is PTI talking about us?

You can say well it is because the kids got caught. Well if you assume our guys got caught on their first offense then maybe you have a point.

In the end we have had 6 guys arrested or failing drug tests that we know of. That is too many in 8 months.

[biteoftheapple 4,115]

It takes 2 fails to garner the suspension.