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[Brass Cannon]

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

 

I messed with ESPN's trade machine earlier on a whim. My favorite trade was the Nets pick, Bradley, Crowder, and Brown for PG. Zeller works financially too subbed for Bradley. Smart subbed for Bradley works too but I wouldn't want him. I would be happy if that trade happened. I love PG, but have zero confidence he sticks around in Indy and his calling out management in the media is getting a little old.

 

 

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While I don't like him calling out management he isn't wrong. His team more often than. It have huge exploitable flaws. And now lackluster coach to boot

[Hoosier Guy]

Yeah I don't think PG is sticking around. And if he were to be traded to the Celtics, that could be the piece Boston needs to dethrone LeBron and his cronies

[Hovadipo]

No way they get that much. On NBA TV they were talking about the trade of Boogie and they wanted PG first. Pacers wanted Buddy, Tyreke, this first and next years first as well as a another future one. The Pelicans didnt like it at all. They went for Boogie instead. Celtics would get him with the nets pick, bradley & Rozier maybe a pick in the future as well. That is A LOT. Thats like saying Markelle Fultz, Avery Bradley & Terry Rozier as well as a future first. Pacers probably do it in a heart beat. Bad thing is Celtics are said to highly covet that pick. If they keep it and get unlikely and fall even to 4 or later it makes that pick go way down in value. They need to trade it now if they want a star. If they get that star Stevens isnt even thinking about us.

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I'm not giving up a superstar for Avery Bradley, Rozier, and a pick that you don't know how it'll end up.

And we aren't getting Stevens so we can probably drop that.


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[Hovadipo]

While I don't like him calling out management he isn't wrong. His team more often than. It have huge exploitable flaws. And now lackluster coach to boot

 

 

He's not wrong, but when McMillan has a reporter ask him questions about something that PG brought up to the reporter and McMillan has no idea what the reporter is talking about, it makes everyone look bad. PG does all of his talking to management through the media and it makes him look like a whiny b****.

 

 

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[KingPG21]

4 hours ago, IUfan_Charlie said:

eh. Drummond has peaked imo. He's been pretty much the same player for the past 4 years. Neither deal is particularly good for the Kings. 

If you got him arond better talent he'd probably see an increase in his numbers. But since it was the Kings....... yeah, not really meeting my criteria. 

[KingPG21]

2 hours ago, Hovadipo said:

 

I messed with ESPN's trade machine earlier on a whim. My favorite trade was the Nets pick, Bradley, Crowder, and Brown for PG. Zeller works financially too subbed for Bradley. Smart subbed for Bradley works too but I wouldn't want him. I would be happy if that trade happened. I love PG, but have zero confidence he sticks around in Indy and his calling out management in the media is getting a little old.

 

 

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I'd still want another first thrown in with the trade you brought up. Brown hasn't been good, so there is no saying he'll ever actually develop into much, though I loved him coming out of college. And with picks you never know how they'll turn out unless they are a LeBron or Durant type guy. PG currently is a star, don't care what people think, he is. Dude is shooting 50% in the clutch this year, 3rd best in the league. Those are super star numbers. 

[KingPG21]

1 hour ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

No way they get that much. On NBA TV they were talking about the trade of Boogie and they wanted PG first. Pacers wanted Buddy, Tyreke, this first and next years first as well as a another future one. The Pelicans didnt like it at all. They went for Boogie instead. Celtics would get him with the nets pick, bradley & Rozier maybe a pick in the future as well. That is A LOT. Thats like saying Markelle Fultz, Avery Bradley & Terry Rozier as well as a future first. Pacers probably do it in a heart beat. Bad thing is Celtics are said to highly covet that pick. If they keep it and get unlikely and fall even to 4 or later it makes that pick go way down in value. They need to trade it now if they want a star. If they get that star Stevens isnt even thinking about us.

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That is a horrible trade. Rozier sucks, so basically we get a mediocre bench player, a good starter who doesn't move the needle a ton. And uncertainty with that first and maybe another first that would probably be protected. You don't give up a top 10-15 player for that

[Hoosierfan2017]

Trading your only star for a bunch of role players would be a terrible decision and lead to a whole bunch of empty seats in Bankers Life. Indy isn't really a big free agency destination, so they should be doing everything they can to keep the star they have right now.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

That is a horrible trade. Rozier sucks, so basically we get a mediocre bench player, a good starter who doesn't move the needle a ton. And uncertainty with that first and maybe another first that would probably be protected. You don't give up a top 10-15 player for that

The Kings just did and the Bulls are about to too. A top 3 pick in this draft is great value. You are the one picking the player so if it fails it is on you. Plenty of kids in this class will be good. Mostly every player in the league was either drafted or draft eligible and didnt get picked. Avery Bradley is a very good player and Rozier has shown flashes in limited minutes. Add in another pick the following year that is a lot. Im sorry but you dont give up Bradley, a top 5 pick, jaylen Brown who was just a top 5 pick another pick that could be top 5 and then even more just doesnt happen ever in the NBA. Kevin Love received Andrew Wiggins and Bennett who was labeled a bust with a little potential.

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Every time a star is traded the team looks for a top 5-10 pick a player with upside a good starter and maybe another pick in the future. That is if you do ot with leverage. If you dont have leverage well the value goes down. The Nets and Celtics deal was one of rarity that the Celtics even got lucky with multiple top 5 picks because of the time the Nets planned on contending so they didnt think it would be as much as it is now.

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[Hovadipo]

 

The Kings just did and the Bulls are about to too. A top 3 pick in this draft is great value. You are the one picking the player so if it fails it is on you. Plenty of kids in this class will be good. Mostly every player in the league was either drafted or draft eligible and didnt get picked. Avery Bradley is a very good player and Rozier has shown flashes in limited minutes. Add in another pick the following year that is a lot. Im sorry but you dont give up Bradley, a top 5 pick, jaylen Brown who was just a top 5 pick another pick that could be top 5 and then even more just doesnt happen ever in the NBA. Kevin Love received Andrew Wiggins and Bennett who was labeled a bust with a little potential.

 

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The Kings are quite possibly the dumbest organization in sports (look out, Browns!) so using them as an example isn't really saying much. The difference with the Celtics is the sheer number of assets they have. If they want someone on the PG level, that team is going to make out better than the Cavs with Love or Kings just did. Avery Bradley is a role player and Rozier is a young role player. Those two plus an unknown commodity (top 3 pick) aren't going to get it done. And if it does I probably won't be a Pacers fan anymore because we will have gotten fleeced. You have to add one of Brown or Crowder to that trade at the very least.

 

 

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[HooHooHoo22]

Wow I never knew at One point the Kings had Cousins, Whiteside and Thomas all on the same team. Goodness gracious what are they doing


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[Hoosierfan2017]

The rest of the teams in the East are playing for 2nd place until LeBron declines anyway. 

[KingPG21]

24 minutes ago, Yogi's Picnic Basket said:

 

The Kings just did and the Bulls are about to too. A top 3 pick in this draft is great value. You are the one picking the player so if it fails it is on you. Plenty of kids in this class will be good. Mostly every player in the league was either drafted or draft eligible and didnt get picked. Avery Bradley is a very good player and Rozier has shown flashes in limited minutes. Add in another pick the following year that is a lot. Im sorry but you dont give up Bradley, a top 5 pick, jaylen Brown who was just a top 5 pick another pick that could be top 5 and then even more just doesnt happen ever in the NBA. Kevin Love received Andrew Wiggins and Bennett who was labeled a bust with a little potential.

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The Kings organization is a joke, using them as a benchmark for trading star players is dumb. Bulls haven't done anything, and rumors that have them sending out Butler in a similar trade are nothing but rumors, so again that isn't really a valid benchmark. As was pointed out, you're suggesting trading a star player in the league for to role players, one who is a role player off the bench, and one draft pick that there is no guarantee he will pan out. Tons of people thought WIggins was the next great thing, and so far not really, KAT is the main attraction in Minny. 

 

PG>Love. PG's defense is down this year, but he can actually play both ends of the court. Love was never known as a player that did that

[IUfan_Charlie]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

The rest of the teams in the East are playing for 2nd place until LeBron declines anyway. 

I agree. But I think the Celtics with PG would have a chance to beat them. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

5 minutes ago, IUfan_Charlie said:

I agree. But I think the Celtics with PG would have a chance to beat them. 

For sure. That's why I hope he stays in Indy lol. 

[Hoosier Guy]

If the Bulls do indeed trade Jimmy Butler, I would love to see the Pacers go after him. I've always liked his game

[BtownBanner6]

If the Bulls do indeed trade Jimmy Butler, I would love to see the Pacers go after him. I've always liked his game

Problem with the pacers is they have nothing to offer. Unless they just pull a Brooklyn and give away their 3 years plays of future picks.

[KingPG21]

13 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

If the Bulls do indeed trade Jimmy Butler, I would love to see the Pacers go after him. I've always liked his game

Eh, they'd have to give up PG or Turner. PG for Butler would probably just be straight up, but why would the two franchises do that? And I don't really get giving up Turner who has gotten a good deal better from his rookie year. Unless the Bulls are as dumb as the Kings, I don't see it

[KingPG21]

1 minute ago, BtownBanner6 said:

Problem with the pacers is they have nothing to offer. Unless they just pull a Brooklyn and give away their 3 years plays of future picks.

Stepien rule prevents trading that many picks, unless it is staggered. They can trade current first as much as they want, but they can't trade three future picks in back to back, etc years