NBA Draft: Noah Vonleh

[Hovadipo 56,543]

[quote name="WayneHoosier" post="65176" timestamp="1399151478"]How do they feel exactly? Do they feel underutilized? Do they feel Crean doesn't know his ball? Feel Crean is too lenient on punishments? That the program isn't ran well, and if so what does that mean?

Nothing specific has been noted except Vonleh saying he could have done more. What would Cody, Hulls, Etherington, Abel, Kenny Johnson say?[/quote]

Cody: Not enough time for cartoons.
Hulls: Crean didn't allow him to shoot halfcourters in the flow of the offense.
Etherington: Taco Bell didn't cater team events.
Abel: Was openly called grandpa due to looking 63 years old.
Kenny: Didn't get the whole "for sale sign in the front yard" trick and decided to run with it.

According to my sources.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,542]

Cody: Not enough time for cartoons. Hulls: Crean didn't allow him to shoot halfcourters in the flow of the offense. Etherington: Taco Bell didn't cater team events. Abel: Was openly called grandpa due to looking 63 years old. Kenny: Didn't get the whole "for sale sign in the front yard" trick and decided to run with it. According to my sources. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Funny!

Is it not better to clear speculation by knowing WHAT the issues are vs. saying people are unhappy who have left?????

I never thought Zeller or Hulls had an issue with IU or Crean and now I am suspicious. Just figure more info is needed if other guys are getting lumped into the unhappy pile.

[Hovadipo 56,543]

[quote name="WayneHoosier" post="65191" timestamp="1399155971"]Funny!

Is it not better to clear speculation by knowing WHAT the issues are vs. saying people are unhappy who have left?????

I never thought Zeller or Hulls had an issue with IU or Crean and now I am suspicious. Just figure more info is needed if other guys are getting lumped into the unhappy pile.[/quote]

Yeah I never got the feeling that Cody or Hulls were mad when they left. I mean it isn't Crean's fault that 6'11 Cody played like he was 6'5 sometimes. There are always going to be unhappy players, but I rarely have gotten that vibe from Crean guys. Maybe things bugged them, but completely unhappy? I doubt it.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[OliviaPope40 6,578]

Cody: Not enough time for cartoons.
Hulls: Crean didn't allow him to shoot halfcourters in the flow of the offense.
Etherington: Taco Bell didn't cater team events.
Abel: Was openly called grandpa due to looking 63 years old.
Kenny: Didn't get the whole "for sale sign in the front yard" trick and decided to run with it.

According to my sources.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

On Cody hate to say it but that sounds about right.

[sirhoosierlot 2,818]

At some point I feel like every player feels under utilized. These guys are competitors and all want to score but there's only one ball to go around. I think it's just natural a lot of times


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[OliviaPope40 6,578]

Cody: Not enough time for cartoons.
Hulls: Crean didn't allow him to shoot halfcourters in the flow of the offense.
Etherington: Taco Bell didn't cater team events.
Abel: Was openly called grandpa due to looking 63 years old.
Kenny: Didn't get the whole "for sale sign in the front yard" trick and decided to run with it.

According to my sources.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Also on Cody not enough time for pranking team mates.

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="Basketball4iU" post="65134" timestamp="1399137434"]Although never spoken to the media, I have to say Cody, Jordan and obviously those who have left felt the similar and I hate it that Noah is getting a bad rap because he's just not that kind of guy, just misspoke at wrong time to the wrong people.


In the gym[/quote]

Felt similar in what way? Crean led those guys on a really good two year run. Don't really follow you and think you're being unfair to them and the discourse on Crean by now just making blanket statements that they weren't happy. You're an "insider" so people take your word as the truth. I am sure you have an agenda and your goal is to make it seem like everyone who has ever played for Crean is unhappy. I'm personally unconvinced by your blanket statements.

Regardless, the point with Vonleh is every statement he's made publicly since leaving for the draft has shown his immaturity. He is going to be a pro now and the NBA will eat him alive unless he matures now. I wish him the best and don't take this as bashing Vonleh but this is part of going pro. The things you get away with in college because you're "immature" or "naive" won't fly. This goes for a guy entering NBA as much as any of us who graduated and got a real job. If you're not mature enough personally you will be eaten alive.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[Basketball4iU 2,006]

[quote name="TheStillman" post="65249" timestamp="1399210991"]Felt similar in what way? Crean led those guys on a really good two year run. Don't really follow you and think you're being unfair to them and the discourse on Crean by now just making blanket statements that they weren't happy. You're an "insider" so people take your word as the truth. I am sure you have an agenda and your goal is to make it seem like everyone who has ever played for Crean is unhappy. I'm personally unconvinced by your blanket statements.

Regardless, the point with Vonleh is every statement he's made publicly since leaving for the draft has shown his immaturity. He is going to be a pro now and the NBA will eat him alive unless he matures now. I wish him the best and don't take this as bashing Vonleh but this is part of going pro. The things you get away with in college because you're "immature" or "naive" won't fly. This goes for a guy entering NBA as much as any of us who graduated and got a real job. If you're not mature enough personally you will be eaten alive.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners[/quote]
I have no agenda...I am not sure what there is to gain from a message board. I am not on any other and haven't really looked around. I am a professional. You can take the info like it or not. I felt a passion when I landed here and I thought people would like to know some of the "stuff" that is getting in the way of winning. I felt the same frustration. I live here. There is a lot that goes on behind closed doors. Remember, CTC could sell umbrellas in a drought. It is a complicated situation that can't begin to be explained in a few paragraphs. But if you can take the pieces good and bad you will finish the puzzle by the end if next year. You should have a better picture. There are many who feel glad to get the chance to play for IU and Coach Crean, and happily move on, and/or never say anything. My point is when you have the ability and all the pieces ..you realize there is something wrong when you don't get the job done. (Not just once but a few times.) Unfortunately, not many of the players buy the umbrellas .. If you get my drift.




In the gym

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="Basketball4iU" post="65255" timestamp="1399212790"]I have no agenda...I am not sure what there is to gain from a message board. I am not on any other and haven't really looked around. I am a professional. You can take the info like it or not. I felt a passion when I landed here and I thought people would like to know some of the "stuff" that is getting in the way of winning. I felt the same frustration. I live here. There is a lot that goes on behind closed doors. Remember, CTC could sell umbrellas in a drought. It is a complicated situation that can't begin to be explained in a few paragraphs. But if you can take the pieces good and bad you will finish the puzzle by the end if next year. You should have a better picture. There are many who feel glad to get the chance to play for IU and Coach Crean, and happily move on, and/or never say anything. My point is when you have the ability and all the pieces ..you realize there is something wrong when you don't get the job done. (Not just once but a few times.) Unfortunately, not many of the players buy the umbrellas .. If you get my drift.




In the gym[/quote] I believe all he is requesting is that instead of saying "there are many who hate Crean" or "even Cody was unhappy", it'd be appreciated if you stated specifics. Cody being unhappy at IU seems very odd to me as he chose to come back his sophomore year even when he was being projected as a lottery pick after his freshman year.


Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.

[wirenuts 1,056]

I hope vonleh does well and I'll be rooting for him, as I root for all Hoosiers. I'm not sure what vonleh may or may not have said to his buddies or whoever. Maybe he just said crean didn't use him correctly. Is there anybody who thinks crean used Noah correctly or got him the ball enough? I don't, and if that's what Noah said then I don't blame him a bit


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[Basketball4iU 2,006]

[quote name="jurkinonthecourt" post="65261" timestamp="1399214894"]I believe all he is requesting is that instead of saying "there are many who hate Crean" or "even Cody was unhappy", it'd be appreciated if you stated specifics. Cody being unhappy at IU seems very odd to me as he chose to come back his sophomore year even when he was being projected as a lottery pick after his freshman year.


Sent from my place of advanced, analytical thinking: the toilet.[/quote]
Through a former IU player ..he said. "Cody said he didn't feel like he improved during his second year, due to the lack of training in his position , (in some ways I believe he and Noah feel the same) On another note, one of the coaches said "CC was ruining Cody". It is not odd that he came back because this is IU .. They totally had the players to win and he knew it. It was not about Cody ..he wanted the bigger picture. They felt a year to mature would be the difference. These are big decisions and once you are here it is really hard to say oops this is not for me, nobody will get it if you say that...especially the beloved Mr Basketball's picking IU. Jordan would have never left but I know he will tell you his HS coach had the X's and O's down to a science, but I don't think he would say that in college. IMO, I think they all felt the more good players the better we will be.. But they struggled. Now with kids who don't bleed IU ...it is getting difficult, they don't like it and they leave. At this point that is all I can say. You can take it for what it's worth... I want success just as much as anyone here. I hope things change for the better and we become everything they say we can't . I will be on the sidelines every game in my cream and crimson.. Btw I am pretty sure I have never said anyone hates Crean because that is not the case, and I rarely use that word. Most really like Crean the man, just disagree with Crean the coach.


In the gym

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="Basketball4iU" post="65312" timestamp="1399239196"]Through a former IU player ..he said. "Cody said he didn't feel like he improved during his second year, due to the lack of training in his position , (in some ways I believe he and Noah feel the same) On another note, one of the coaches said "CC was ruining Cody". It is not odd that he came back because this is IU .. They totally had the players to win and he knew it. It was not about Cody ..he wanted the bigger picture. They felt a year to mature would be the difference. These are big decisions and once you are here it is really hard to say oops this is not for me, nobody will get it if you say that...especially the beloved Mr Basketball's picking IU. Jordan would have never left but I know he will tell you his HS coach had the X's and O's down to a science, but I don't think he would say that in college. IMO, I think they all felt the more good players the better we will be.. But they struggled. Now with kids who don't bleed IU ...it is getting difficult, they don't like it and they leave. At this point that is all I can say. You can take it for what it's worth... I want success just as much as anyone here. I hope things change for the better and we become everything they say we can't . I will be on the sidelines every game in my cream and crimson.. Btw I am pretty sure I have never said anyone hates Crean because that is not the case, and I rarely use that word. Most really like Crean the man, just disagree with Crean the coach.


In the gym[/quote]

Crean ruined Cody? Look back at where Cody was ranked and projected as. Cody, while a good prospect, was not projected as a top 5 pick in draft out of college. He thrived in Creans offense and his ability to get on break, which Crean allowed him to do, is the reason he was a top 5 pick. Crean would have been ruining him if he sat him down low and never allowed his versatility to show. That didn't happen.

Sorry just not going to believe your generalities. I've seen your twitter account (before you changed the name/when it matched what your handle was here) and to say you have an agenda is almost selling it short. Based on what you've posted there it is clear you just don't like the current regime and are trying to prove your point by acting as an insider in a message board. People can believe you and keep posting whatever you want. I'm just not buying it and I encourage others to take everything you say with a giant grain of salt.


Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

[Basketball4iU 2,006]

[quote name="TheStillman" post="65316" timestamp="1399242341"] It's all good ..you have an opinion like everyone else....your on the outside like everyone else. Don't want to believe ...not here to please you..just give info...you can look back and see when I was spot on before many of these things were made public. I don't need your approval or anyone else's for that matter.... In the gym

[bronkonagurski 894]

I would like to give an opinion here of Noah. He is a good kid, good intentions, high expectations, and even a bit naive. There is a state of disorganization from the top down with this team. With that in mind, it is difficult to come into a big program and figure it out, with little to no team leadership, and a lack of understanding of what is expected. He is 18, and probably feels like he is helping his friends/recruits by being truthful of his experience. "Bashing" to you may mean he is not saying good things.. To him, it is his
truth. IU basketball has changed, it is not what it used to be even though that is what "they sell" in the pregame tape.


In the gym

 

What do you think needs to happen to get IU basketball back to what it used to be? 

[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="TheStillman" post="65316" timestamp="1399242341"]Crean ruined Cody? Look back at where Cody was ranked and projected as. Cody, while a good prospect, was not projected as a top 5 pick in draft out of college. He thrived in Creans offense and his ability to get on break, which Crean allowed him to do, is the reason he was a top 5 pick. Crean would have been ruining him if he sat him down low and never allowed his versatility to show. That didn't happen. Sorry just not going to believe your generalities. I've seen your twitter account (before you changed the name/when it matched what your handle was here) and to say you have an agenda is almost selling it short. Based on what you've posted there it is clear you just don't like the current regime and are trying to prove your point by acting as an insider in a message board. People can believe you and keep posting whatever you want. I'm just not buying it and I encourage others to take everything you say with a giant grain of salt. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners[/quote] The reason he was a top 5 pick was because of MJ plain and simple. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

[JSHoosier 20,321]

The reason he was a top 5 pick was because of MJ plain and simple. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app

Yeah we really shouldn't give Crean credit for the Bobcats making a bad pick.  Cody might turn into a decent role player, but you don't want a role player with the 4th overall pick.

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="dalton26" post="65349" timestamp="1399263316"]The reason he was a top 5 pick was because of MJ plain and simple. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app[/quote] Didn't realize you were in the draft war room for Bobcats. Who did the rest of that front office want to pick? Who were other teams going to take and when? Would like to hear insights since it seems we have another insider on board Also can't ignore the fact that the consensus among GMs was that Zeller and Oladipo were most prepared for pre-draft workouts/interviews. Zeller was going in top 7 picks regardless of MJ. Suns may have picked him 5th instead of Len for all we know. A little absurd to say it was all MJ. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="65350" timestamp="1399268341"]Yeah we really shouldn't give Crean credit for the Bobcats making a bad pick. Cody might turn into a decent role player, but you don't want a role player with the 4th overall pick.[/quote]

If it was up to you Crean wouldn't get credit for anything. We get it, you don't like the guy and want to discount anything he's done. I think he had a bad year as coach this year but also think it's ridiculous the revisionist history many, including yourself, are now taking on Crean's job well done from 2011-13.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[KingPG21 6,587]

Didn't realize you were in the draft war room for Bobcats. Who did the rest of that front office want to pick? Who were other teams going to take and when? Would like to hear insights since it seems we have another insider on board Also can't ignore the fact that the consensus among GMs was that Zeller and Oladipo were most prepared for pre-draft workouts/interviews. Zeller was going in top 7 picks regardless of MJ. Suns may have picked him 5th instead of Len for all we know. A little absurd to say it was all MJ. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Zeller was expected to go 10th or 11th according to most people with actual inside connections in the league. It was a shock to everyone that he went fourth overall, and was credited to the Bobcats front office being as weird as they always are with drafting. Just about no one except the most delusional IU fans thought he was a top 7 pick before the Draft. 

[Hwy 1 2,053]

So now Crean is a failure because Cody wasn't supposed to go at 4... this place is freaking unbelievable.