Been hearing this has been going on with Vonleh

[KingPG21 6,583]

Those are not mutually exclusive at all. Thompson could chose IU despite negative recruiting. Thompson may see Vonleh go in lottery and say "hey dude, IU set you up pretty damn nice".

He is commenting on the huge stretches in logic that posters make. Some people act like it was one clear thing that contributes to a recruit not committing, when in reality there are countless factors

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

[quote name="Hoosier Hoopster" post="59128" timestamp="1397248981"]Rigjt, i'm a troll. Is that why I created one of the largest Indiana fan groups online?

BTW -Like Crean or not, I think it's terrible NV is doing this.[/quote] I just think you're trying to create bigger news than this is.


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[WayneFleekHoosier 48,092]

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It could be pretty big news both in regard to explaining some of last seasons woes and our current recruiting problems.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Rigjt, i'm a troll. Is that why I created one of the largest Indiana fan groups online?

BTW -Like Crean or not, I think it's terrible NV is doing this.

 

 

What group is that?

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="Hwy 1" post="59181" timestamp="1397262227"]What group is that?[/quote]was wondering the same... I've got 33K on Facebook... Let's see what you got!


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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

Also, I've heard from three separate people now that Vonleh has been talking to future recruits. They have reached out to him and he has been honest about his experience at IU.

There is not big wrong with him bashing IU about his experience. It's his opinion and he shouldn't be looked down on for voicing it WHEN ASKED. Now if he was reaching out to recruits to volunteer this info... Different story.


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[TheWatShot 13,810]

What group is that?

 

There's a poster by the name of Hoosierhoopster on the 247 board. I think he's pretending to be him. 

[mdn82 25,510]

Also, I've heard from three separate people now that Vonleh has been talking to future recruits. They have reached out to him and he has been honest about his experience at IU.

There is not big wrong with him bashing IU about his experience. It's his opinion and he shouldn't be looked down on for voicing it WHEN ASKED. Now if he was reaching out to recruits to volunteer this info... Different story.


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Also, if they ask how he was utilized in the offense, he has said openly he didn't like it.  He can say that.  We would have mostly agreed with him this year.  I don't think that is bashing if that is what it is.  For all we know he is being honest about that and saying how much he loved Bloomington.  Lets be real.  It would be real hard for any player on that team last year to enjoy themselves.  They didn't win.  Winning cures everything. 

[Hovadipo 55,336]

[quote name="mdn82" post="59232" timestamp="1397269536"]Also, if they ask how he was utilized in the offense, he has said openly he didn't like it. He can say that. We would have mostly agreed with him this year. I don't think that is bashing if that is what it is. For all we know he is being honest about that and saying how much he loved Bloomington. Lets be real. It would be real hard for any player on that team last year to enjoy themselves. They didn't win. Winning cures everything. [/quote]

Except STDs...

Or so I've heard..


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[Hwy 1 2,053]

There's a poster by the name of Hoosierhoopster on the 247 board. I think he's pretending to be him. 

 

 

 

That's why I asked. I highly doubt that it's him.

[schoosier 3,463]

I would hope he is telling the recruits that at least part of the blame of him not getting more offense is he couldn't get himself open.  When he did get the ball I saw alot of Noah getting "stuffed" on on the ground.  That is youthful weakness in my book.  He was certainly no Julius Randle in the block. He got blocked by alot of guys smaller than he is.  AND his trying to dribble inside once he did get the ball............gezzzz.....The young man has alot to learn about the game of basketball.  This program has done alot for him.  Best to appreciate it.  Wonder what Troy and Stan and Devin think about him now.....Hurting his team mates.

I respectfully disagree as I think he is the most talented player to come out of Indiana since I. Thomas. Before him George Mcginnes. He could succeed at any offensive position he was placed at including underneath, 3 point line, as well as driving the ball which we finally figured out late in the year. He was the best rebounder I have ever seen play for IU and cleaned the glass like every rebound was his. Great shooter which was never utilized shown by his 3 pt % even though we never got to see it even when Perea or Fisher could have played the 5. He proved to be an effective driver only after Crean realized way late that was the only way to get him the ball when everyone collapsed. He was effective with both hands underneath like no one I have seen wear the candystripes. He had some learning as far as defense but he was a good shot blocker and great defensive rebounder. Underutilized is about as nice a word I can say for how he was played in one year. I will miss Noah as much or more as Cody or Vic not for his numbers compared to them, but for what could have been. This team had the talent to get to the NCAA tournament and its a damn shame they didn't with the talent of Noah, Yogi, Troy, Will and Stan including the others. The NBA sees it in an 18 year old yet we have posters/fans/alumni that have no clue just how talented he is.

[Jafo71 149]

Also, I've heard from three separate people now that Vonleh has been talking to future recruits. They have reached out to him and he has been honest about his experience at IU. There is not big wrong with him bashing IU about his experience. It's his opinion and he shouldn't be looked down on for voicing it WHEN ASKED. Now if he was reaching out to recruits to volunteer this info... Different story. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Well, if NV does indeed think IU was bad I hope he isn't drafted by Philly, Cleveland, or Sacramento. He would be in for an awakening. And if he ends up in LA, I hope he stays in good graces with Kobe.

[mdn82 25,510]

Well, if NV does indeed think IU was bad I hope he isn't drafted by Philly, Cleveland, or Sacramento. He would be in for an awakening. And if he ends up in LA, I hope he stays in good graces with Kobe.

 

Yeah, he hasn't seen bad yet like he will next year.  

[ashmgee 193]

Noah was really fun to watch this year. He was a beast on the boards, and had a lot of game otherwise that was unused whether it was him not demanding it or the others not finding him. 

 

Crean's offense is so anemic that he can make the best players look pretty bad at times. I'm sure you have all noticed this. Things like having Yogi dribble it out at half court till the shot clock runs out to settle in to a contested three (not knocking Yogi, if that is the play, play it), but with no movement, and screening Noah was not in a position to get the ball.

 

Not to mention, the times that IU actually took playing offense seriously, and people were moving, the opposing defense was going to collapse on Noah. He did not show a remarkable ability to pass out of the double, triple, or quadruple teams he was in. I look at Noah as a kid that played hard and would have loved to have had more impact, but one 18 year old kid can't lead you to the promised land. Especially when you consider that we had very little shooting to help. Yogi shot well and at a high volume (to high on the volume I think, but was there another option. NO),

 

In the words of Ray "that's the way she goes boys, sometimes she goes that way". 

 

Noah was unlucky to get to IU and suffer though a really down season. He is fortunate to have accomplished his goal of going to the league as a lottery pick though, so in the end I think it was a success for him.

 

I don't know why Noah would actively negatively recruit against IU, and I just don't see it from his personality, but if he did, it doesn't help. 

 

My guess is that Crean has negatively recruited himself by not utilizing the bigs (and really good ones at that) that he has had to work with.

[bronkonagurski 894]

Also, I've heard from three separate people now that Vonleh has been talking to future recruits. They have reached out to him and he has been honest about his experience at IU.

There is not big wrong with him bashing IU about his experience. It's his opinion and he shouldn't be looked down on for voicing it WHEN ASKED. Now if he was reaching out to recruits to volunteer this info... Different story.


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I'm sorry but it all just comes across to me as extreme selfishness on the part of Vonleh IF these rumors are true.  I don't care who contacted who first.  He plays a grand total of one season for CTC as an 18 year old.  While I certainly agree we could have utilized him more, he still had an outstanding season.  His draft value is very high.  No, I don't think it is okay for him to BASH the program.  How many players absolutely get along with and agree with their coaches on every point after one season?  I don't think he has earned the right to bash anyone or anything based on one season at IU.  Of course my opinion doesn't matter and he can do so but for him to project whatever issues he has into discouraging other guys from going to IU...it is weak sauce to me.  And quite frankly it just makes me sour on the idea of recruiting any more one-and-done types from outside the state.  This kind of drama isn't worth the hype of having a kid for one year. 

[BlueDevil 8,683]

[quote name="ashmgee" post="59254" timestamp="1397280401"]Noah was really fun to watch this year. He was a beast on the boards, and had a lot of game otherwise that was unused whether it was him not demanding it or the others not finding him.

Crean's offense is so anemic that he can make the best players look pretty bad at times. I'm sure you have all noticed this. Things like having Yogi dribble it out at half court till the shot clock runs out to settle in to a contested three (not knocking Yogi, if that is the play, play it), but with no movement, and screening Noah was not in a position to get the ball.

Not to mention, the times that IU actually took playing offense seriously, and people were moving, the opposing defense was going to collapse on Noah. He did not show a remarkable ability to pass out of the double, triple, or quadruple teams he was in. I look at Noah as a kid that played hard and would have loved to have had more impact, but one 18 year old kid can't lead you to the promised land. Especially when you consider that we had very little shooting to help. Yogi shot well and at a high volume (to high on the volume I think, but was there another option. NO),

In the words of Ray "that's the way she goes boys, sometimes she goes that way".

Noah was unlucky to get to IU and suffer though a really down season. He is fortunate to have accomplished his goal of going to the league as a lottery pick though, so in the end I think it was a success for him.

I don't know why Noah would actively negatively recruit against IU, and I just don't see it from his personality, but if he did, it doesn't help.

My guess is that Crean has negatively recruited himself by not utilizing the bigs (and really good ones at that) that he has had to work with.[/quote]


Haha do I see a trailer park boys reference??!!

[Myrmidon76 614]

Alas, the effect of one and dones. When players have no affinity toward their college program, they shouldn't be expected to sing that schools praises when its over. Its pretty common practice for recruits to reach out to current/former players and ask about their time at whatever school they are looking at. If the recruit isn't smart enough to understand that the strength program IU put Noah in transformed him, the national exposure he received, and the chance to display his talent in a power conference at a storied program...then I don't really want them here. Noah has the right to express his opinion, but I would hope recruits understand there are pros/cons no matter the school you choose.

[DocLibby 761]

As an "insider" I doubt this is true HOWEVER it's snowing outside right now and it was 80 degrees yesterday. I hope that Noah's agent has him on a hush hush right now bc no one was a "talker" before draft. It causes skepticism and mistrust among future NBA teammates and no GM wants that cancer on a team. Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.


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As an "insider" I doubt this is true HOWEVER it's snowing outside right now and it was 80 degrees yesterday. I hope that Noah's agent has him on a hush hush right now bc no one was a "talker" before draft. It causes skepticism and mistrust among future NBA teammates and no GM wants that cancer on a team. Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Interesting insight, but as you say, it benefits him to be quiet publicly right now as he could easily hurt his draft stock. However, I think we, as a fanbase, deserve some honest answers on this subject after the draft. It will be hard for ME to root for Noah at the next level unless these rumors proven wrong.

It seems Oladipo, Zeller, and Wade have all reached out to Crean post draft, and if Vonleh doesn't help his alma mater accordingly, I believe we will get our answer indirectly.

Tough days for Hoosier fans right now!

[coachmayhew 1,414]

[quote name="DocLibby" post="59823" timestamp="1397532030"]As an "insider" I doubt this is true HOWEVER it's snowing outside right now and it was 80 degrees yesterday. Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.


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This seems true I take everything with a grain of salt. And right or wrong, does it really matter. Seriously, these kids want to play and CZ never had any harsh words. Believe what you want about Noah, but last year he was going to be our hero. Now he is about to achieve his dream Job and we are talking smack. That does not seem right to me. If he did or didn't say a word who knows. Not you ore. Either way next season as well as every other since I was 6 years old, changes considered, I believe and expect the Hoosiers to win.

I guess when it comes to IUBB, I am like a Cubs fan. There is always next year and every year I have nothing but winning expectations for the team. But unlike the Cubs, IUBB has a winning tradition. There are reasons for me to have doubts but there are MANY more reasons for me to believe. Main reason is I AM A HOOSIER.

Sorry for the rant but in my eyes Noah is/always will be a Hoosier in my eyes. Once a Hoosier, Always a Hoosier.


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