Cal's Future????

[JSHoosier 20,315]

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Sounds a lot like what he said at Memphis, "I will be connected to every open job in the country.  Memphis is where I want to be".  Sounds like a decline, but never actually saying no.

 

The Lakers have declined, but they may do that until their season ends.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

All this cheering against UK and excitement over rumors of Cal's departure has got me feeling like a Purdue/Cubs fan....


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[HoosierAloha 30,068]

What he said has been covered.  What he was thinking hasn't...

 

Just like my players, I'll have to go back and assess where I'm at.  They'll be told where they are likely be drafted.  I'll be told how close the NCAA is to busting me a third time.  I'm most likely going to be back unless I get the word and then I'll be in LA the next day.  I really can't wait to get out of that dump.  Hell my house is probably being burnt down with a dozen or so cousin-brother-sisters banging in the backyard with a combined 3 tooths!

 

Edit:  Fuck Kentucky

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Check out some of Chapman's mentions. Hilarious. Fans are actually demanding that he apologize to "BBN".


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[maxwell 584]

With all the Cal => Lakers chatter, a question comes to my mind.  Wasn't there talk of a 'mysterious home & home series' that was suppose to be in the works for future iubb schedules?  Anyone think that Barnhart of UK was well aware of the Cal scenario and began conversations with Glass about a new series?  What do you think?  Maybe I'm way out of control. Would not be the first time.

 

Edit: Not sure why there would be a reason to keep this hush hush otherwise.

[Stuhoo 81,316]

I now have definitive news about Cal's future:

 

He will coach only the best paid players who are completely removed from their peers and have others genuflect to them wherever they go.

 

Whether Cal stays at Kentucky or goes to the Lakers?

 

I have no idea.

[WindyCitySource 600]

Cal will get sick of Lexington. Why would he want to stay there? He's made 3 FFs and won a championship, now time to head to the bright lights of Los Angeles. He doesn't strike me as someone who's interested in a quite life in middle Kentucky. And even though he's the highest paid coach in college, I'd say the Lakers would be able to offer him whatever he wants. 

 

Plus think of all the marketing opportunities out there... NBA > NCAA in terms of marketability, fame, fortune. It's just a matter of time before he goes back to the big leagues. The only thing is that there is so much turnover at the head coach position in the NBA, he could have a great job opening available after each of the next 2,3,5 whatever seasons. Lakers this year (Knicks too?), who knows what will be open next year. 

[Hovadipo 56,483]

If Cal doesn't go to LA, I don't see him leaving at all anytime soon. He's at the pinnacle of college basketball. He literally can't get any higher on the ladder in college.


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[Stuhoo 81,316]

If Cal doesn't go to LA, I don't see him leaving at all anytime soon. He's at the pinnacle of college basketball. He literally can't get any higher on the ladder in college.


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Pinnacle?

 

Geez, I think he's in the sewer of college basketball.

[Hovadipo 56,483]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="58535" timestamp="1396982885"]Pinnacle?

Geez, I think he's in the sewer of college basketball.[/quote]

Lol I hate UK too, but I mean pinnacle as far as success goes. How he gets there is questionable at best, but he has the success either way.


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[Stuhoo 81,316]

Lol I hate UK too, but I mean pinnacle as far as success goes. How he gets there is questionable at best, but he has the success either way.


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Won/loss record is not necessarily how I always define success.

[Hovadipo 56,483]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="58542" timestamp="1396983514"]Won/loss record is not necessarily how I always define success.[/quote]

But he clearly doesn't care about graduating guys. So, he is at the pinnacle of college ball in his own mind, I would think. Why leave if it isn't for the NBA?


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[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

Won/loss record is not necessarily how I always define success.

 

Will you elaborate how you define success? To call him successful at UK after winning a national championship and coaching in multiple final fours is unassailable.

[Stuhoo 81,316]

Will you elaborate how you define success? To call him successful at UK after winning a national championship and coaching in multiple final fours is unassailable.

 

College bball success as I would quickly define it (this poster's opinion only):

 

->  High quality people as players

->  Expectation that a reasonable majority of those players will attain a college degree (the NCAA men's bball average is 65%.  Any # at or over that works well)

->  Players that connect as students at the university, stay long enough to cement that connection, and don't live in an ivory tower.

->  Win 'dem basketball games

 

UK has absolutely no success on two of those four components. With Cal as coach of UK and CTC at IU, IU has a MUCH better chance of going four for four. 

 

(by the way...if you'd asked me to define success for an NBA team, 'win 'dem games' would trump all other elements)

[Hovadipo 56,483]

[quote name="Stuhoo" post="58550" timestamp="1396985292"]College bball success as I would quickly define it (this poster's opinion only):

-> High quality people as players
-> Expectation that a reasonable majority of those players will attain a college degree (the NCAA men's bball average is 65%. Any # at or over that works well)
-> Players that connect as students at the university, stay long enough to cement that connection, and don't live in an ivory tower.
-> Win 'dem basketball games

UK has absolutely no success on two of those four components. With Cal as coach of UK and CTC at IU, IU has a MUCH better chance of going four for four.

[i][size=3][b](by the way...if you'd asked me to define success for an NBA team, 'win 'dem games' would trump all other elements)[/b][/size][/i][/quote]

I know you were replying to another post with this, but I just wanted to add that I agree with this, and what I was saying earlier was based on how Calipari does things, not what I (and many others) think is right.


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[Bryan Medema 1,488]

As a Hoosier trapped in Kentucky (Thanks Obama/Army) I find it amusing how many people here don't see any reason for him to leave a University that isn't even located in a state. I actually had someone try to convince me that the media market here can match NY or LA. That being said, I don't see Cal leaving for anything less than one of those markets. If the coaches of either of those two teams get kicked the curb, it would make for an offer he'd have a hard time refusing. Cal doesn't seem like the type to stew in the misery that is Kentucky when the misery of the big city awaits. I know I've added almost nothing the conversation besides venom in the direction of the nations worst commonwealth (even if it does make the final four by default) but I thought I could provide some insight from someone on the wrong side of (any) border.

[ElectricBoogaloo 4,307]

College bball success as I would quickly define it (this poster's opinion only):

 

->  High quality people as players

->  Expectation that a reasonable majority of those players will attain a college degree (the NCAA men's bball average is 65%.  Any # at or over that works well)

->  Players that connect as students at the university, stay long enough to cement that connection, and don't live in an ivory tower.

->  Win 'dem basketball games

 

UK has absolutely no success on two of those four components. With Cal as coach of UK and CTC at IU, IU has a MUCH better chance of going four for four. 

 

(by the way...if you'd asked me to define success for an NBA team, 'win 'dem games' would trump all other elements)

 

 

I don't disagree with the points laid out here, but there is obviously some weighting that needs to be done. In terms of college bball success, as I believe most people generally interpret it, winning games is a much bigger part of overall success than the other three factors. If "win 'dem basketball games" isn't at least 80% weighted for high Division I basketball then there is a problem. For Cal, I'd say it's weighted about 99% toward winning games and the UK fan base is fine with that.

 

We can say the IU fan base cares more in general about the other factors, but then I would guess winning games should be weighted conservatively (maybe VERY conservatively) at 85% in the overall measure of success.

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

College bball success as I would quickly define it (this poster's opinion only):

 

->  High quality people as players

->  Expectation that a reasonable majority of those players will attain a college degree (the NCAA men's bball average is 65%.  Any # at or over that works well)

->  Players that connect as students at the university, stay long enough to cement that connection, and don't live in an ivory tower.

->  Win 'dem basketball games

 

UK has absolutely no success on two of those four components. With Cal as coach of UK and CTC at IU, IU has a MUCH better chance of going four for four. 

 

(by the way...if you'd asked me to define success for an NBA team, 'win 'dem games' would trump all other elements)

 

Let me add my spin: - From most important to least important:

 

1. Win a HIGH Percentage of Games
2. Win Championships (Conference, Conf Tourney, NIT, NCAA, Pre-season Tourney's etc.)
3. Perennial Contenders 
4. Reasonable Majority of players utilize their time in College to further their career (whether that be through College Degrees and into the real world, or further their athletic abilities to enter the NBA/ Overseas etc... (college is all about preparing you for your future))
5. High Quality people as players.

 

At the end of the day, I like what you originally wrote. You basically just described every successful Mid Major school.  That might have worked in the big leagues 10-15 years ago, but times have changed.  Therefore I like how I broke it down as more accurate reflection of today's NCAA game.

 

You need to win a ton of games to be successful, you need to win championships.  You need to constantly be in the discussion.  Your comment about graduating and earning a degree doesn't sit with me.  College used to be about going to get a degree.   Today, college is all about preparing you to be successful down the road.  It doesn't matter if you have paper degree hanging on your wall.  The Noah Vonleh's, Cody Zellers, Eric Gordons etc that leave early without a degree have achieved the same thing as a business major looking for a degree to get a good job.

 

Both students and student-athletes go to college in order to set themselves up for their future.  Vonleh just happened to get his "NBA Degree" after 1 year instead of 4 years for that business degree.    If my dream job approached me after my Freshman year and said, "Jason, we know you aren't 100% ready for us yet, but we really like you and want to teach you everything you need to know.  Leave school now and we will pay you a ton of money and teach you."   It's a pretty straight forward decision to me.

[Adillac 953]

That actually sounds like a good fit. Wouldn't surprise me.


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[WindyCitySource 600]

Calipari to the Lakers is a potentially GREAT fit. What the Lakers need is a players coach that provides structure but pretty much lets the players do what they have to do. Kobe needs a coach that will let him do his thing, and Calipari is exactly that. By all accounts, he's not an incredible coach. But he does have plenty of experience dealing with star players (including future NBA All-Stars and MVPs) and has gotten success pairing great players together (it hasn't always worked out, but that 2011 team was dominant). 

In the NBA, it's not all about the coach. Star players have just as much (in some cases, more) of a say in what happens as the coaches. Calipari and Kobe seems like it would be a great pairing for both sides.