Who would you hire to replace CTC?

[Hwy 1 2,053]

Matt Carlino's dad.

[JSHoosier 20,331]

Who do we hire?

 

Don't confuse my realism with comfort.

As fans it's not our job to know or have a list.  If and when the administration makes a move, they should've done their homework ahead of time and already have their guy decided on.

[8bucks 6,482]

[quote name="HoosierAloha" post="63189" timestamp="1398570514"]Who do we hire?

Don't confuse my realism with comfort.[/quote]

Well see if I say Brad Stevens you scoff and say he is not coming or he is not perfect or blah blah blah. Same for Marshall.

The thing is I do not study basketball and do not know who the up and coming coaches are. You talk to experts and get their feel. You interview and look for your guy. Sometimes you get him and sometimes you get an alternate coach. I get it, it is not easy. I am not an AD though and am not in the business to be looking for the next coach.

It was pretty clear when Davis was not the guy. It was even more clear when Sampson was not the guy. For many it is trending that way with Crean. It is not clear yet and thus another year.

However if we finish only marginally better next year and 2015 does not look much better I am convinced you will still be saying the same thing.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[JSHoosier 20,331]

Well see if I say Brad Stevens you scoff and say he is not coming or he is not perfect or blah blah blah. Same for Marshall.

The thing is I do not study basketball and do not know who the up and coming coaches are. You talk to experts and get their feel. You interview and look for your guy. Sometimes you get him and sometimes you get an alternate coach. I get it, it is not easy. I am not an AD though and am not in the business to be looking for the next coach.

It was pretty clear when Davis was not the guy. It was even more clear when Sampson was not the guy. For many it is trending that way with Crean. It is not clear yet and thus another year.

However if we finish only marginally better next year and 2015 does not look much better I am convinced you will still be saying the same thing.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

Brad Stevens is about the only home run, and he won't leave Boston after just a year.  Some might say we don't know if he could recruit at the level necessary here, but we don't know if anyone can until they get here.

 

People are afraid to make a change due to stability.  While I agree we need stability, it goes further than that.  Stability for the sake of stability won't accomplish anything.  Having stability with a mediocre coach won't magically make better coaches line up for the job and it sure as h-e-double hockey sticks won't take us to greatness.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,549]

Amazing how far we've sunk. Truly amazing.

Basketball4u said Crean was in Texas. Not for Myles Turner but instead for Tim Priller. Sweet!

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

You have no idea what I will be saying after next season or even what I am saying now.  What I am saying is there not a surefire homerun hire RIGHT NOW that makes sense.  You cannot buy-out Crean and expect another high level coach to come in under those expectations.  Hey, win the B1G and have a down year and you are done.  It doesn't work that way.

[Hovadipo 56,550]

[quote name="WayneHoosier" post="63200" timestamp="1398572204"]Amazing how far we've sunk. Truly amazing.

Basketball4u said Crean was in Texas. Not for Myles Turner but instead for Tim Priller. Sweet![/quote]

Hey forgot all about that. Bball4u keeps building that resumé. No one could've called that one.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

[JSHoosier 20,331]

You have no idea what I will be saying after next season or even what I am saying now.  What I am saying is there not a surefire homerun hire RIGHT NOW that makes sense.  You cannot buy-out Crean and expect another high level coach to come in under those expectations.  Hey, win the B1G and have a down year and you are done.  It doesn't work that way.

You also can't hit a home run if you don't swing the bat.  Plus, I've said all along and I fully believe we've underachieved 3 of the last 4 years.

 

Stability for the sake of stability accomplishes nothing.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

That's exactly the problem, we've been swinging too much.  I don't know maybe take a few pitches, read the pitcher, and then swing when the count is in your favor. 

 

I guess we could just keep swinging until we hit something though.  Use the money for renovations to buy-out Crean, bank some of it when we buy-out his replacement too.  We don't really need to renovate the Hall.  It's not like a metal sheet will fall and kill anyone.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

You also can't hit a home run if you don't swing the bat.  Plus, I've said all along and I fully believe we've underachieved 3 of the last 4 years.

 

Stability for the sake of stability accomplishes nothing.

 

 

 

Swinging blindly for the sake of swinging is a surefire way to swing and miss. Swinging for the sake of swinging accomplishes nothing. 

[JSHoosier 20,331]

Swinging blindly for the sake of swinging is a surefire way to swing and miss. Swinging for the sake of swinging accomplishes nothing. 

There's always a risk, I acknowledge that.  I do not subscribe to this idea that we have to stick with someone out of fear of making a change.  Stability for the sake of stability, sticking with a mediocre coach, will not make a better coach come knocking.

[Hwy 1 2,053]

There's always a risk, I acknowledge that.  I do not subscribe to this idea that we have to stick with someone out of fear of making a change.  Stability for the sake of stability, sticking with a mediocre coach, will not make a better coach come knocking.

 

 

I don't know who you are talking about who has this fear of change. I'm sure there are some on boards who do, but I doubt that is why a change hasn't been made. They really blew it with Davis and Sampson. That didn't exactly leave them in a position to pick and choose. When and if they make another change I would hope they do it right. Making you happy by firing CTC and hiring the next shiny new coach will most likely not make for a better program. Rising from the ashes doesn't happen overnight no matter how much you think it should happen that way.

[JSHoosier 20,331]

I don't know who you are talking about who has this fear of change. I'm sure there are some on boards who do, but I doubt that is why a change hasn't been made. They really blew it with Davis and Sampson. That didn't exactly leave them in a position to pick and choose. When and if they make another change I would hope they do it right. Making you happy by firing CTC and hiring the next shiny new coach will most likely not make for a better program. Rising from the ashes doesn't happen overnight no matter how much you think it should happen that way.

Which goes back to the rebuild being over and expectations shifting.  It's no longer about "look what he did" it's about "what can he do".  If he's in over his head it doesn't matter how long he gets.

 

"Give him time, he had a bad year" turns into "see we improved, give him more time".  Eventually he has a year where he goes to the Sweet 16 and it's "see, I told you.  Give him more time".  The time adds up fast and before you know it you're 10 or more years in and haven't really accomplished much because the coach isn't that good and good coaches went to other programs.  Then we've fallen even further out of the picture.  At what point is the line drawn?

 

I've said repeatedly I'll give him this coming year but honestly I don't think it'll change much.  I think he's a mediocre coach and in over his head.  I'll give him this coming year because of the B1G title and Glass had a moment of universe shattering stupidity and gave him a ludicrous buy out even if I think the team underachieved because it was capable of more than a Sweet 16.

[KingPG21 6,587]

Well see if I say Brad Stevens you scoff and say he is not coming or he is not perfect or blah blah blah. Same for Marshall.


Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners

This is precisely why I never responded to the question. No matter who I threw out there, the same three people would have written off whoever I suggested. They weren't going to change my opinion, and I wasn't going to change their's. At some point it gets pointless to argue when this happens, while saying the exact same thing over and over again

[TheStillman 991]

[quote name="JSHoosier" post="63000" timestamp="1398559025"]The way he was playing even early in the year the staff should've known it was a very real possibility.

To say know one saw it coming means even during the year no one knew, and that is either a complete lie or they were blind.[/quote]

But the point remains in order to plan for it recruiting wise they would've needed to anticipate this in April 2012. There was just no indication that Oladipo was not going to be a 4 year player at that point. Look back at previews in fall 2012 of that team. It's almost comical because Oladipo isn't even mentioned, it's all Zeller, Watford and Hulls. Of course we all knew what we had in Oladipo but I think if you polled most of IU fans and writers who follow the team a high majority (>90%) would have said that Oladipo would be here in 2013-14.

You live in this world where hindsight is 20-20 and it makes you seem smart but your gripe with Crean on this is a bit ridiculous. No one in spring 2012, when it would have mattered for planning future year rosters, thought Oladipo was gone.


Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners

[mdn82 25,510]

This is precisely why I never responded to the question. No matter who I threw out there, the same three people would have written off whoever I suggested. They weren't going to change my opinion, and I wasn't going to change their's. At some point it gets pointless to argue when this happens, while saying the exact same thing over and over again

And this really sucks, because it is a hypothetical question.  Everyone knows Crean is returning.  It is the same as saying who your dream team of recruits would be if you could pick and choose.  I prefer Crean to some of the people thrown out there, but hell nothing would happen at the earliest until next season.  Not sure why people get so bent out of shape on this question.  Hell, UNC does the same thing every year.  Duke has started to do the same knowing Coach K won't get fired.  Not that big of a deal.  

[KingPG21 6,587]

And this really sucks, because it is a hypothetical question.  Everyone knows Crean is returning.  It is the same as saying who your dream team of recruits would be if you could pick and choose.  I prefer Crean to some of the people thrown out there, but hell nothing would happen at the earliest until next season.  Not sure why people get so bent out of shape on this question.  Hell, UNC does the same thing every year.  Duke has started to do the same knowing Coach K won't get fired.  Not that big of a deal.  

And not to say this site is bad with this, if anything it is right up there if not the best when it comes to these types of arguments. But in general I've personally learned to pick and choose my battles on these boards over certain topics.

 

But yeah I don't know many fan bases who don't consider another head coach as possibly being better, I'm sure there are some UCONN fans out there who want Ollie gone just because

[NotTheReal HoosierHoopster 67]

We should have hired Thad Matta when we had the chance. That mistake is going to haunt us for 20 years. It already has for about 10.