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[Rayl 527]

The class has potential, but they have a lot of work to do to reach it. A lot of work. Here's hoping somebody on the team steps up and leads then into Cook Hall.

[KingPG21 6,587]

I know...this would also take care of the stupid one-and-done rule.

Yeah, then a smaller amount of them (More than likely a significantly smaller amount) will go to college. Instead most will go find other routes, overseas, D-League to the NBA. It would only further dilute the talent in college basketball. Taking away a year of playing in actual games isn't going to encourage kids to go stay in college for more than one year

[Bowhunter 2,694]

Loosing Luke hurt us bad this season. A 6'11" center is exactly what we needed to help take some of the double team off Vonley. Even if Luke come in to replace Vonley, we wouldn't have had near the drop off when Noah got a breather. We lost many  games this season that I think Luke would have made a difference. This year has been a huge disappointment!  The turnovers are atrocious and not acceptable this late in the season!  Coach Crean needs to bring in an assistant that he can trust to develop bigs and teach fundamentals. He is not getting it done in either department.

[mark1981 1,346]

[quote name="Bowhunter" post="47259" timestamp="1394756006"]Loosing Luke hurt us bad this season. A 6'11" center is exactly what we needed to help take some of the double team off Vonley. Even if Luke come in to replace Vonley, we wouldn't have had near the drop off when Noah got a breather. We lost many games this season that I think Luke would have made a difference. This year has been a huge disappointment! The turnovers are atrocious and not acceptable this late in the season! Coach Crean needs to bring in an assistant that he can trust to develop bigs and teach fundamentals. He is not getting it done in either department.[/quote]

Dang. Thanks for reminding me. I almost blocked it out

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[schoosier 3,504]

Loosing Luke hurt us bad this season. A 6'11" center is exactly what we needed to help take some of the double team off Vonley. Even if Luke come in to replace Vonley, we wouldn't have had near the drop off when Noah got a breather. We lost many  games this season that I think Luke would have made a difference. This year has been a huge disappointment!  The turnovers are atrocious and not acceptable this late in the season!  Coach Crean needs to bring in an assistant that he can trust to develop bigs and teach fundamentals. He is not getting it done in either department.

Your last two sentences are both very telling and damning at the same time. I could understand Crean needing to bring in assistant that's great with kids, parents, and recruiting. But this wishful thinking that some assistant is coming in to teach Crean how to coach bigs, fundamentals, or discipline is wishful thinking at best and just shows he is in way over his head. He should be teaching his assistants how to coach not the other way around. What really disturbs me is as knowledgeable a fanbase we have at IU, that we would even say this. Why does Crean get a pass on the basics of coaching when certainly no one else would? Wow

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="CampCrean" post="47152" timestamp="1394738412"]That's the NBA's rule, not the NCAA[/quote]

I don't like that statement. It's just as much the NCAA's rule. The NCAA could come out and say to play college ball you have to play two full seasons or else you can't come.


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[mdn82 25,510]

If Stan makes the expected improvement over the summer, will he start over JB2?

 

I can't wait to see some lineups with 4 guards.  Actually, I can.  I just think our depth will kind of determine how much we see them on the court together.  Stan, Troy, and JB will have to get 20-25 min next year.  Yogi will get 30.  Beyond that, who?  Hanner?  Jeremy will probably get 20-25.  Devin will probably jump in minutes.  I will assume Crean's end of year assessment won't be pretty this year.  To be a fly on that wall….

[mdn82 25,510]

I don't like that statement. It's just as much the NCAA's rule. The NCAA could come out and say to play college ball you have to play two full seasons or else you can't come.


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This is why I like how Adam Silver has openly said he wants the NCAA in on their next negotiations, but wants in on some of their policies.  They should work together.  If the NCAA is strong, it becomes a pipeline of more rounded talent.  The NBA will say that is their reasoning, but it is simple.  The one and done rule has made it so fan bases can't become attached to a player like a Vic.  A 3 year player who improved and became something special.  Now more IU fans watch Magic games than ever before.  It is free advertising for the NBA, with a built in interest for your favorite players.  ESPN hypes college games as much if not more than the NBA at times.  This would be good for both.  

[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="IU Hoosier41" post="47327" timestamp="1394763291"]I don't like that statement. It's just as much the NCAA's rule. The NCAA could come out and say to play college ball you have to play two full seasons or else you can't come.


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That won't work If the NBA rule was still one year. Players could leave after one year and there'd be nothing the ncaa could do about it.


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[mdn82 25,510]

That won't work If the NBA rule was still one year. Players could leave after one year and there'd be nothing the ncaa could do about it.


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Yep, there is the NBDL and Euro leagues.  Kids want to be close to their parents, but want to make money.  I would be curious to see what type of money they would make in the NBDL if this went through.  Cause, if they struggle, what happens?  

[SilverAtlanta 69]

Can Coach actually coach might be a better question, for me the jury is still OUT.

[Bobman1 2,909]

Didn't Mark Cuban say the DLeague was a better option for players. This just aggrevates everyone cause a, they need an education(even if its a short one) and b, you can't see players like PJ Hairston in college if your favorite team was NC.

[Bowhunter 2,694]

Your last two sentences are both very telling and damning at the same time. I could understand Crean needing to bring in assistant that's great with kids, parents, and recruiting. But this wishful thinking that some assistant is coming in to teach Crean how to coach bigs, fundamentals, or discipline is wishful thinking at best and just shows he is in way over his head. He should be teaching his assistants how to coach not the other way around. What really disturbs me is as knowledgeable a fanbase we have at IU, that we would even say this. Why does Crean get a pass on the basics of coaching when certainly no one else would? Wow

I hear ya.

[GnarlyTimGarl 1,433]

Troy Williams: 7.3 PPG, 4.4 RPG. I really like the way he has played in the last few games. You can tell he is gaining more confidence and is starting to play like it. This is good, because for much of the Big Ten, he looked like he was very unsure of himself. The further away he was from the basket, the less effective he became. But he has athleticism and good size which you can't teach. He's starting to put things together and has the potential to be an upper-echelon Big Ten player.

 

My Hope For Troy This Summer: Become an absolute gym rat with Stan. He had a nice freshman season, but he has plenty of room for growth. Obviously, his shot needs improved. 6/29 from 3 won't cut it. Doesn't have to be Jordan Hulls, but if he could get to 33%, that would help significantly. Develop a mid-range game as well, because I have a feeling he'll get some looks there. His A/T is 1:2, so passing and ball-handling needs A LOT of work. There's no reason he can't get that down to 1:1 at the very least. And he "can" be a very good defender. Continue to work on defensive principles, footwork, etc. Stay engaged.

 

Stan Robinson: 6.4 PPG, 2.5 RPG. Some games he looked like he was our third best player, other games he played like an overwhelmed freshman. But like with Troy, he had a nice season for a freshman. I was surprised at how easily he could get to the basket. The home games versus Wisconsin and Iowa showed how much of a force he can be. At the same time, there were multiple times during the year when he would make extremely careless passes that would lead to two points on the other end.

 

My Hope For Stan This Summer: Pretty much the same as Troy. 3/16 from 3 is bad. Have to get better there. His A/T is about 1:1.5, which definitely needs improved as much as he handles the ball for us. Become a defensive menace. No reason Stan can't be on the All-Defensive team next year because he has the tools. That will help his offense, too.

 

Devin Davis: 2.4 PPG, 2.6 RPG. Like Troy, he's finished the year relatively strong, even though his playing time has been sporadic at best. The post move against Illinois may have been my favorite IU play of the year. But he's undersized and was picked on defensively on many occasions through switches or post-ups. By the way, he has 0 assists this year. ZERO.

 

My Hope For Devin This Summer: Become a junkyard dog. Get bigger and stronger. We'll need him in the post next year, so he's gonna have to be tough to make up for his lack of height. He's a solid rebounder, but he needs to be tenacious. Work on defensive footwork/principles. Continue to develop hard-nosed post moves. Get to the charity stripe. Be able to hit a 12-foot jumper. Better passing from the post/ better handles.

 

My Hope For Collin Hartman This Summer: He's just limited in what he can do. He's not big and he's not quick. Become a reliable shooter. Facilitate the offense. Keep things moving. Be in the right position at both ends of the floor. Be the smartest player on the floor.

[ou812dude 3,326]

great post, Tim

[8bucks 6,477]

[quote name="mdn82" post="47333" timestamp="1394763764"]This is why I like how Adam Silver has openly said he wants the NCAA in on their next negotiations, but wants in on some of their policies. They should work together. If the NCAA is strong, it becomes a pipeline of more rounded talent. The NBA will say that is their reasoning, but it is simple. The one and done rule has made it so fan bases can't become attached to a player like a Vic. A 3 year player who improved and became something special. Now more IU fans watch Magic games than ever before. It is free advertising for the NBA, with a built in interest for your favorite players. ESPN hypes college games as much if not more than the NBA at times. This would be good for both. [/quote]

How has the one and done rule impacted Vic? I would love to see something that, if they go to college they are here two years at least. Just not sure what the connection is to a 3 year guy like Vic.



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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="dalton26" post="47343" timestamp="1394765054"]That won't work If the NBA rule was still one year. Players could leave after one year and there'd be nothing the ncaa could do about it.


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Except make them pay for all travel, school, tuition, books, free merchandise they get etc etc. I'm sure that'd add up to 6 figures pretty quickly. Include that in the national letter of intent and you have a contract. Not difficult to do at all.


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[Dalton26 16,892]

[quote name="IU Hoosier41" post="47445" timestamp="1394809285"]Except make them pay for all travel, school, tuition, books, free merchandise they get etc etc. I'm sure that'd add up to 6 figures pretty quickly. Include that in the national letter of intent and you have a contract. Not difficult to do at all.


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I'd bet most kids wouldn't go to college then. I doubt very many of them could afford it so they would probably just go to the D-league or overseas where they'd get paid. College basketball would suffer.


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[Malconater 24]

I think it's hard to get him the ball when he was hesitant to shoot for most of the year. I can't count how many open jumpers he passed up.

Yes, you make a good point, but you can not learn and gain confidence with out getting playing time, and if playing "team" ball is his biggest mistake, then he has much potential.

[mdn82 25,510]

How has the one and done rule impacted Vic? I would love to see something that, if they go to college they are here two years at least. Just not sure what the connection is to a 3 year guy like Vic.



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I was saying a fanbase like IU's can't get behind a one and done, as much as they have for someone like Vic.  He was a 3 year player who we watched grow every year.  If he was one and done, we would tout him.  We just wouldn't have the same interest as we do now.  If that makes sense.