Tom Crean Poll

[mdn82 25,546]

Ok people.  No commenting needed.  Lets see what people truly think.  

[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

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[mdn82 25,546]

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Lol, I am guessing this one will get more views than anything for a few days.  Just curious of the crazy bunch we have here.  

[JSHoosier 20,795]

I put 2-4 only because of the massive buyout his absurd contract has.

 

My goodness that contract was mind numbingly stupid for a coach that has only established consistent mediocrity.

[mdn82 25,546]

I put 2-4 only because of the massive buyout his absurd contract has.

 

My goodness that contract was mind numbingly stupid for a coach that has only established consistent mediocrity.

 

That is fair.  I was curious to see if anyone truly thought this year or next.  So far, no.  

[TheWatShot 14,422]

I think a change could be made in the spring of 2016 if we still haven't gone past the Sweet 16. That team will feature a senior Yogi (he isn't leaving early for the NBA, don't believe the hype our own fans have created), a senior Perea and juniors Troy and Stan. If Troy and Stan are anywhere close to VO on the development curve, that could be a pretty awesome team if we have a competent post player. Another early exit that season on top of what we've just gone through and I think the alumni will force Glass's hand. 

[coachmayhew 1,414]

You guys gave Obama 8 years. So what you all are saying is "you like Obama more than Crean."

[All_Hoosiers 873]

[quote name="TheWatShot" post="45170" timestamp="1394153389"]I think a change could be made in the spring of 2016 if we still haven't gone past the Sweet 16. That team will feature a senior Yogi (he isn't leaving early for the NBA, don't believe the hype our own fans have created), a senior Perea and juniors Troy and Stan. If Troy and Stan are anywhere close to VO on the development curve, that could be a pretty awesome team if we have a competent post player. Another early exit that season on top of what we've just gone through and I think the alumni will force Glass's hand. [/quote]

Gotta have to agree with this. If we can't advance past a Sweet 16 with a senior Yogi and others, we probably need to make a change.


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[mdn82 25,546]

No wrong answer here ladies and gentleman.  This is purely a prediction for the future.  No sunshine.  No doom and gloom.  This is when/do you see the program making a change.  The more votes, the better.  Gives us a better idea of where people truly stand with numbers to back it up.  If you guys want me to add anything else to the poll, let me know.  

[KingPG21 6,587]

I think a change could be made in the spring of 2016 if we still haven't gone past the Sweet 16. That team will feature a senior Yogi (he isn't leaving early for the NBA, don't believe the hype our own fans have created), a senior Perea and juniors Troy and Stan. If Troy and Stan are anywhere close to VO on the development curve, that could be a pretty awesome team if we have a competent post player. Another early exit that season on top of what we've just gone through and I think the alumni will force Glass's hand. 

Jahii Carson is considered the first round pick this year in a loaded draft. Dude is of basically the same exact build as Yogi. He averages only .6 more assists per game, and he shoots the ball a bit better, plus more per game than Yogi. They also shoot the ball the same percentage from three. Watching a little bit of Carson he isn't really significantly better than Yogi defensively. It isn't nearly as inconceivable as some make it out that he could leave after next season, if he takes another step in his development. 

 

Edit: Carson averages .8 more turnovers per game. So even though he averages more assists his turnover numbers are even worse

[TheWatShot 14,422]

Jahii Carson is considered the first round pick this year in a loaded draft. Dude is of basically the same exact build as Yogi. He averages only .6 more assists per game, and he shoots the ball a bit better, plus more per game than Yogi. They also shoot the ball the same percentage from three. Watching a little bit of Carson he isn't really significantly better than Yogi defensively. It isn't nearly as inconceivable as some make it out that he could leave after next season, if he takes another step in his development. 

 

Edit: Carson averages .8 more turnovers per game. So even though he averages more assists his turnover numbers are even worse

 

Neither nbadraft.net nor Draft Express have Carson going in the first or second round this year or next. 

[Pastorsteve12 0]

Wait a minute! The poll doesn't let us vote for to long!

[KingPG21 6,587]

Neither nbadraft.net nor Draft Express have Carson going in the first or second round this year or next. 

Jahii Carson is right now going 35th in the Draft Express mock draft:

 

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2014/

 

BasketballInsiders.com has him going in the first round of their mock draft (They use DraftExpress's top 100 prospects for their rankings as well):

 

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/full-2014-nba-mock-draft-3214/

 

NBADraft.net has him going in the second round as well:

 

http://nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft

 

CBS's website has him going 24th:

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft

 

So not getting drafted in the first round in all of them, but first in two, and always getting picked

[mdn82 25,546]

Wait a minute! The poll doesn't let us vote for to long!

 

What do you mean?

[mdn82 25,546]

I know there are more than 31 people with an opinion.  

[ou812dude 3,326]

my opinion is as follows...
Tom Crean needs more time...
Is he a good coach? maybe
Is he a great coach? maybe
Is he a National championship coach? maybe...

we don't effing know...It took Jimmy Boheim 20 some-odd years to win it all...

yes, yes, yes...this year is shitty...we all know it's shitty...

have we learned nothing from the football program that begs for a new coach every 4 years...
it takes time people...

it isn't 1985 anymore...Bob Knight learned that the 90s aren't like the 80's...hell...it's 2014...

[coachmayhew 1,414]

[quote name="ou812dude" post="45213" timestamp="1394160635"]my opinion is as follows...
Tom Crean needs more time...
Is he a good coach? maybe
Is he a great coach? maybe
Is he a National championship coach? maybe...

we don't effing know...It took Jimmy Boheim 20 some-odd years to win it all...

yes, yes, yes...this year is shitty...we all know it's shitty...

have we learned nothing from the football program that begs for a new coach every 4 years...
it takes time people...

it isn't 1985 anymore...Bob Knight learned that the 90s aren't like the 80's...hell...it's 2014...[/quote]

This guy knows what is going on,in a lot of posts. Great minds...

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[IU Hoosier41 14,465]

[quote name="ou812dude" post="45213" timestamp="1394160635"]my opinion is as follows...
Tom Crean needs more time...
Is he a good coach? maybe
Is he a great coach? maybe
Is he a National championship coach? maybe...

we don't effing know...It took Jimmy Boheim 20 some-odd years to win it all...

yes, yes, yes...this year is shitty...we all know it's shitty...

have we learned nothing from the football program that begs for a new coach every 4 years...
it takes time people...

it isn't 1985 anymore...Bob Knight learned that the 90s aren't like the 80's...hell...it's 2014...[/quote]

Feel like we should frame this


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[bronkonagurski 894]

Voted for 5-10. 

[JSHoosier 20,795]

my opinion is as follows...
Tom Crean needs more time...
Is he a good coach? maybe
Is he a great coach? maybe
Is he a National championship coach? maybe...

we don't effing know...It took Jimmy Boheim 20 some-odd years to win it all...

yes, yes, yes...this year is shitty...we all know it's shitty...

have we learned nothing from the football program that begs for a new coach every 4 years...
it takes time people...

it isn't 1985 anymore...Bob Knight learned that the 90s aren't like the 80's...hell...it's 2014...

Boeheim still had more success than Crean at the same point in their careers.  Tom Crean has been a head coach for 15 years and the only thing he has done with any consistency is wallow in mediocrity.  In Boeheim's first 15 years he appeared in the Sweet 16 7 times, the Elite 8 twice, the Final Four once and the NC game once; he also won at least a share of the Big East 5 times, had only 1 season with less than 20 wins and missed the tournament a total of twice (one of which was an NIT runner up).

 

He didn't have a championship, but that is far more success in his first 15 years than Tom Crean has seen.