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IU Hoosier41

(2019) SF Trendon Watford to LSU

By IU Hoosier41, in Indiana Basketball Recruiting Forum

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Hovadipo    56,515

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So is it not true we hadn't reached out?  Or is it is true what's this comment mean. 


Trendon probably meant that he hadn't heard from IU in a while. I got the sense from Pap that Crean's staff was slow-playing that situation because Trendon knew basically everything he needed to know about IU already.
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Stuhoo    81,398

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13 minutes ago, ramadden13 said:

http://www.insidethehall.com/2017/05/02/five-star-class-of-2019-forward-trendon-watford-talks-recruiting/

New ITH article on Watford. Alabama will be hard to beat here. Unbelievable Crean let Alabama dominate his recruitment. 

 

  • Avery Johnson is very likeable, and had an extensive stint as an NBA head coach
  • The Watfords are from Alabama; it's his home state school
  • If I was Trendon Watford and a big, big time national recruit, I would NOT want to go to a school where I was widely known as "Christian's little brother."

Not saying we shouldn't give it a try here, but I can see why, absent a real expression of interest by the Watford family, our resources could be better spent elsewhere.

We can only give high priority to so many per year, and I'd rather have Archie courtside for Keion Brooks' games than for Trendon Watford's. For those of us (myself included) who believe that Crean was too spread out and too 'out-of-state oriented', I give Crean a pass here, especially if Crean and Christian haven't remained close post-IU. Alabama should be dominating this one.

 

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Just now, Stuhoo said:

 

  • Avery Johnson is very likeable, and had an extensive stint as an NBA head coach
  • The Watfords are from Alabama; it's his home state school
  • If I was Trendon Watford and a big, big time national recruit, I would NOT want to go to a school where I was widely known as "Christian's little brother."

Not saying we shouldn't give it a try here, but I can see why, absent a real expression of interest by the Watford family, our resources could be better spent elsewhere.

We can only give high priority to so many per year, and I'd rather have Archie courtside for Keion Brooks' games than for Trendon Watford's. Alabama should be dominating this one.

 

If he told you he's not interested, then I agree. But I disagree with needing a strong affirmative expression of interest. It's a recruit we have a family connection to, not just any big time national recruit. I also think your last point assumes your feelings match his. The Plumlees didn't feel that way. Other siblings have gone to the same school as their brother(s).

I'm not saying Alabama doesn't have a strong case and shouldn't be seeing him more heavily than we are just based on proximity. But I think we do a real disservice to the program if we don't even bother recruiting the 5-star brother of a recent IU player. The only resource that is at stake is time, and, if we choose to give it to Brooks 100%, then we're essentially just Alabama. We should be better than that.

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1 minute ago, ramadden13 said:

If he told you he's not interested, then I agree. But I disagree with needing a strong affirmative expression of interest. It's a recruit we have a family connection to, not just any big time national recruit. I also think your last point assumes your feelings match his. The Plumlees didn't feel that way. Other siblings have gone to the same school as their brother(s).

I'm not saying Alabama doesn't have a strong case and shouldn't be seeing him more heavily than we are just based on proximity. But I think we do a real disservice to the program if we don't even bother recruiting the 5-star brother of a recent IU player. The only resource that is at stake is time, and, if we choose to give it to Brooks 100%, then we're essentially just Alabama. We should be better than that.

 

There is a difference between:

  1. "We are recruiting him" -  ie; texts, a phone call per week, an invitation to campus, and
  2. "We are prioritizing him as a recruit" -  ie; constant contact and never missing national AAU events, usually with attendance by Archie and not an assistant, and at the expense of doing that for other recruits like Brooks, Langford, and Garland. 

Because of the factors I cited, we should be doing option 1 (and we are) unless, of course, we get LOTS lots of warm fuzzies from the Watfords. We should NOT be doing option 2, because we only have the resources for that option with a few recruits. Treat out-of-state recruits as the highest priorities? We end up finishing second or third on our highest priority kids waaaay too often.

 

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23 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

There is a difference between:

  1. "We are recruiting him" -  ie; texts, a phone call per week, an invitation to campus, and
  2. "We are prioritizing him as a recruit" -  ie; constant contact and never missing national AAU events, usually with attendance by Archie and not an assistant, and at the expense of doing that for other recruits like Brooks, Langford, and Garland. 

Because of the factors I cited, we should be doing option 1 (and we are) unless, of course, we get LOTS lots of warm fuzzies from the Watfords. We should NOT be doing option 2, because we only have the resources for that option with a few recruits. Treat out-of-state recruits as the highest priorities? We end up finishing second or third on our highest priority kids waaaay too often.

 

I mean I disagree with the stark in-state, out-of-state distinction, and it seems so do you. Garland is out-of-state but you seem to include him with the in-state kids (I know he used to live in-state). I understand why we use these labels. We want a sense of inevitability around the state that Indiana kids will come to IU; it helps if recruits grow up thinking of IU as the logical choice. However, the labels are also so tiresome. Garland is a perfect example. He grew up in-state but now he lives out-of-state. Is he an in-state kid or an out-of-state kid? So tiresome. Watford is the same kind of kid. Out-of-state but with a connection that we should be trying to use. We ignore these possible advantages at our own peril.

I think your choices listed above are self-defeating for #1. If that's how you recruit out-of-state kids you might as well not bother. Other schools get this right. Roy Williams visits Romeo enough to stay on his mind even if he's not at every game for example. Crean never found a balance. I hope Archie manages to balance between Crean's philosophy and the one you seem to state above.

[EDIT: Sorry, this may be a bit strong and stawman-y. I've just been frustrated by some of the in-state/out-of-state labels and the conclusions drawn from them when it's really about (1) relationships and (2) interest and you recruit whoever you share those with (which happens to be "in-state" kids a lot because interest is natural for kids who grow up Hoosiers).]

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