Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Uspshoosier 45,032]

53 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Tyson is listed as a guard on Belmont’s roster.  He’s a wing.  And he can play alongside MM is Mgbako is the 4.

His brother played for Clemson a few years back.    No knowledge but my guess he is ACC bound 

[cchuntsman 186]

3 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Didn't play against UConn... Got destroyed

Didn't play against Purdue... Got destroyed

Played 18 at Purdue... Got destroyed

Played 8, 12 and 12 against Nebraska... Got whooped in every game

14 at home against PSU, got whooped

Played 9 against Auburn... Got whooped

Played 3 against Rutgers... Got whooped

Seemed like there was something to him being on the court.. almost as if there was a dude on the court that was a leader and knew what he was doing. Wild right? Even if we beat bad teams, he was a massive reason we won multiple of those 5.

Is there something to him being on the court, or that he was keeping bigger negatives off the court by playing?  

[DChoosier 7,855]

2 hours ago, IndyHoops said:

Ware is the reason we won those games. And MM getting hot. Look, Leal is a nice player, but he wouldn’t sniff the floor for Illinois, Purdue, Michigan State, Northwestern, Nebraska, or even Wisconsin. 
Leal doing what he does and being one of the best players for IU is more of a inditement on Woodson not developing others players than it is Leal being some secret weapon.

It’s an indictment of Woodson not landing talented offensive perimeter players. He bombed in the portal last year (from a perimeter standpoint. Ware was a great get) and recruiting this year (so far).

 Who was he going to develop on the perimeter this year? The only choices were X, Gallo, Cupps, Gunn and Leal. The way X played I would argue none of those 5 would start for any of the top 5 of so seeded teams (Gallo would have been an important 6th man for some of them).

MM could be considered a perimeter guy and he developed. We will see if someone else develops Gunn but I don’t think we will see a whole lot unless he steps down to a Ball State type of team.

[IndyHoops 461]

30 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

It’s an indictment of Woodson not landing talented offensive perimeter players. He bombed in the portal last year (from a perimeter standpoint. Ware was a great get) and recruiting this year (so far).

 Who was he going to develop on the perimeter this year? The only choices were X, Gallo, Cupps, Gunn and Leal. The way X played I would argue none of those 5 would start for any of the top 5 of so seeded teams (Gallo would have been an important 6th man for some of them).

MM could be considered a perimeter guy and he developed. We will see if someone else develops Gunn but I don’t think we will see a whole lot unless he steps down to a Ball State type of team.

Bates? Banks?

Whichever way you want to look at it, it doesn’t matter.

The most important thing is…. What are the chances its going to get any better in the portal this year? There will be no last minute 5 star high school adds this year, like the last 2 (JHS and MM). So it’s basically down to buying enough talent in the portal that Woodson can win with….for the rest of his time at IU. Because he’s not developing any underclassmen anytime soon.

[DChoosier 7,855]

3 minutes ago, IndyHoops said:

Bates? Banks?

Whichever way you want to look at it, it doesn’t matter.

The most important thing is…. What are the chances its going to get any better in the portal this year? There will be no last minute 5 star high school adds this year, like the last 2 (JHS and MM). So it’s basically down to buying enough talent in the portal that Woodson can win with….for the rest of his time at IU. Because he’s not developing any underclassmen anytime soon.

 It would have been difficult to develop Bates this year as the coaching staff’s commute back and forth to Missouri would have been a grind. Anyway, I stand by my point that recruiting, not development, was the issue as Leal, X, Gallo, Gunn and Cupps didn’t have a lot of one year developmental upside.

That being said, once you moved the goal post to the need to recruit  via the portal, I agree with that point.
 
 As far as “buying talent” being put in a negative light….It is what it is. Let’s face it, every guy we  go after is going to be “bought” either by us or another team.

[IndyHoops 461]

11 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

 It would have been difficult to develop Bates this year as the coaching staff’s commute back and forth to Missouri would have been a grind. Anyway, I stand by my point that recruiting, not development, was the issue as Leal, X, Gallo, Gunn and Cupps didn’t have a lot of one year developmental upside.

That being said, once you moved the goal post to the need to recruit  via the portal, I agree with that point.
 
 As far as “buying talent” being put in a negative light….It is what it is. Let’s face it, every guy we  go after is going to be “bought” either by us or another team.

Doesn’t recruiting and development go hand in hand? The vast majority of college staffs don’t recruit the finished product. You recruit because that player can be developed in your system. You think Loyer and Smith from Purdue would be as good if they played for Woodson? You don’t recruit because you got money left in the NIL piggy bank.

This whole “let’s face it, buy talent” is an excuse for bad coaching and bad roster management. Any freaking “coach” can “buy talent”. IU isn’t the Pacers, as hard as Woodson and some others want to convince themselves of that. 

[HoosierHoopster 6,811]

Woodson doesn’t develop perimeter players period. We shoot as a team on volume at the bottom of D1. He doesn’t even care about the perimeter. If somehow we land a strong outside shooter in the portal it will be a Godsend. If you were an elite shooter would you want to play for this stubborn old man who devalues shooting?

[DChoosier 7,855]

Just now, IndyHoops said:

Doesn’t recruiting and development go hand in hand? The vast majority of college staffs don’t recruit the finished product. You recruit because that player can be developed in your system. You think Loyer and Smith from Purdue would be as good if they played for Woodson? 

This whole “let’s face it, buy talent” is an excuse for bad coaching and bad roster management. Any freaking “coach” can “buy talent”. IU isn’t the Pacers, as hard as Woodson and some others want to convince themselves of that. 

Yes, Recruiting and development do go hand and hand (you are subtly changing you original statement)

You stated he failed to develop players last year. My point was that he failed in recruiting so he didn’t even have the type of perimeter players to develop this past year (ie it was a recruiting fail).

In regards to “any freaking coach can buy talent”…Actually that is correct as every freaking coach is buying talent. I would bet that this year every single player (HS player or portal transfer) on every top 25-30 team will be “bought”.   I wish we had 3-4 HS guys coming in and only needed a couple of portal guys but even in that scenario every one of those guys would be bought/receiving $$$$$. It’s just the way it is.

[IndyHoops 461]

18 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

Yes, Recruiting and development do go hand and hand (you are subtly changing you original statement)

You stated he failed to develop players last year. My point was that he failed in recruiting so he didn’t even have the type of perimeter players to develop this past year (ie it was a recruiting fail).

In regards to “any freaking coach can buy talent”…Actually that is correct as every freaking coach is buying talent. I would bet that this year every single player (HS player or portal transfer) on every top 25-30 team will be “bought”.   I wish we had 3-4 HS guys coming in and only needed a couple of portal guys but even in that scenario every one of those guys would be bought/receiving $$$$$. It’s just the way it is.

Sure, if Woodson brought in Dalton Knecht and Reed Shepard, he could develop them. Woodson is great at developing 5 star/NBA talent…but who isn’t? If by recruiting misses you are implying that he needs that level of talent, sure. I guess that’s a recruiting miss. But what coach couldn’t win with that? And how many other coaches get along just fine without that talent? Simple question…would Cupps be better right now if he went to Purdue instead of IU? 

And of course all programs pay their players. But not all programs depend solely on out bidding other schools in the portal for the majority of their roster.

IU has zero recruits coming in and what, 6 players on roster if MM comes back? So, can Woodson use the same excuse next year if the portal doesn’t work out this spring? That he didn’t “have the type of perimeter player to develop”?

[DChoosier 7,855]

1 minute ago, IndyHoops said:

Sure, if Woodson brought in Dalton Knecht and Reed Shepard, he could develop them. Woodson is great at developing 5 star/NBA talent…but who isn’t? If by recruiting misses you are implying that he needs that level of talent, sure. I guess that’s a recruiting miss. But what coach couldn’t win with that? And how many other coaches get along just fine without that talent? Simple question…would Cupps be better right now if he went to Purdue instead of IU? 

And of course all programs pay their players. But not all programs depend solely on out bidding other schools in the portal for the majority of their roster.

IU has zero recruits coming in and what, 6 players on roster if MM comes back? So, can Woodson use the same excuse next year if the portal doesn’t work out this spring? That he didn’t “have the type of perimeter player to develop”?

Your changing the narrative yet again  ( I said he needed to land a guy like Knecht because he failed at recruiting. I didn’t say he would be credited for “developing” a “finished” guy like Knecht).  You also imply that I am giving Woodson an excuse for not having perimeter players to develop this year.  It wasn’t an excuse for Woodson….it was an indictment of his poor HS and portal recruiting. 

At this point,  In the best interest of the board,  I will just state that I 100% agree with you and am moving on..LOL

[Golfman25 5,004]

I’ll just say this, if the reporting is true and we have about 12-15 candidates and only one visit — the current portal performance is underwhelming.  

[Stuhoo 79,687]

16 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

I’ll just say this, if the reporting is true and we have about 12-15 candidates and only one visit — the current portal performance is underwhelming.  

Link?

[Golfman25 5,004]

35 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Link?

The dudes portal tracker linked above.  

[RaceToTheTop 24,939]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

The dudes portal tracker linked above.  

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If you are referring to the portal tracker of IU interest from inside the hall, they are only publishing items that a player may have stated publically.  It’s not like once a player enters the portal that it becomes an exact science of knowing every move a player does.  

[Hardwood83 4,737]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

I’ll just say this, if the reporting is true and we have about 12-15 candidates and only one visit — the current portal performance is underwhelming.  

Maybe, but the current portal list is pretty underwhelming so far too. Of the names linked to IU who do you even want? Small from OSU or maybe the PG from Penn are interesting, other than that looks like a lot of depth guys. I'm really hoping for a much higher level of talent. 

[FW Hoosier 63]

18 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

Maybe, but the current portal list is pretty underwhelming so far too. Of the names linked to IU who do you even want? Small from OSU or maybe the PG from Penn are interesting, other than that looks like a lot of depth guys. I'm really hoping for a much higher level of talent. 

I believe preliminary reports are that Small is high on Michigan State.  

[AH1971 1,446]

Just now, FW Hoosier said:

I believe preliminary reports are that Small is high on Michigan State.  

Is Small actually in the portal? 

[cleeter 2,116]

2 minutes ago, FW Hoosier said:

I believe preliminary reports are that Small is high on Michigan State.  

Correct on that one. 

FWIW, if you care about what Rabby says...his chat night was basically saying that 
1) IU is making its NIL budget very clear (sounds like bragging about how much we can pay)
2) We are getting good feedback from Carlyle camp
3) Small is a very slim chance (MSU) barring a crazy change. 
4) IU is very interested in Cade Tyson, but he is UNC's if UNC wants him, so probably could not spend time on this one

[FW Hoosier 63]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Is Small actually in the portal? 

Not sure.  I know there was an announcement of him entering, but I believe I saw someone reference he had a tweet refuting it or something? 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 8,891]

3 minutes ago, cleeter said:

Correct on that one. 

FWIW, if you care about what Rabby says...his chat night was basically saying that 
1) IU is making its NIL budget very clear (sounds like bragging about how much we can pay)
2) We are getting good feedback from Carlyle camp
3) Small is a very slim chance (MSU) barring a crazy change. 
4) IU is very interested in Cade Tyson, but he is UNC's if UNC wants him, so probably could not spend time on this one

On #1-- "making it very clear"... meaning it's very clear we have gobs of money to spend? Or what exactly did #1 mean? 

Carlyle and Walker would improve us in a hurry. Throw in a healthy Newton.... I think at that point you could add an Essigan. I'd still love Conner Hickman. 

Conwell getting in the portal might change things, though. We'd undoubtedly be able to give him more money than ISU.