Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[PartyintheVillas 236]

1 minute ago, 68Hoosier said:

Okay, I am following along today and feel really old.  What is DOX.

PS I have been an IU fan since the 81 championship season.  I graduated from IU in 92.  Just in case you want to DOX me.

to publicly identify or publish private information about (someone) especially as a form of punishment or revenge. 

[KathywithaC 633]

8 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

I'm here

Yeah, this one really made me laugh. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,475]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

Did you see what just happened to Caitlin Clarke?  There are a lot of nuts out there and it only takes one.  If this was Uk, Kansas, etc and their administration had treated its fans the way ours has been I guarantee you something would’ve happened by now.  

[DoctorP 1,318]

23 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Good lord.

This “poster” needs to be banned Stu. It’s trolling, disingenuous, and downright disrespectful. 

[IU Prof 922]

4 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Weren’t you making the argument that our play would be worse if Mike Woodson were relieved mid season a half dozen pages ago? Because you can’t have it both ways, either mid season is a bad idea for performance purposes or it’s not and an OSU Bball is a risk you run. It is not a “temporary fix” as stated, it is trying to salvage whatever dignity is left in this program. 
 

Also, just for the record, Ed Orgeron was never hired at USC. He was named interim to finish 2013 after Kiffin got tarmac’d and did not get the full time job after the season and resigned from the staff as a result. 

Good point. It's a totally selective argument.  I mentioned Dabo above. Ryan Day was also interim as well in 2018. Some interims work out, many don't. But that would be expected, since most teams that fire a coach mid-season are operating at a talent deficiency. 

The question is what's best for the long term trajectory of the program. I do think that emotions can run high after back-to-back losses like that. But the only compelling argument I've heard for maintaining the status quo is to avoid a Diebler scenario, which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of the current staff.

[Silat Player 472]

5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I think we’ll move on him when the season ends, which is what I said. 

No, you said that "short of a dramatic turnaround, IU would move on..." 

That was the point of my post. There should be zero circumstances in which Woodson keeps his job at this point. Statistically, nothing has changed this year.

The decision-makers at IU decided to ignore all of the issues in the program and spend a bunch of NIL money to buy a roster in year 4 of Woodson's tenure to try to achieve success.

All of the issues remain:

- He can't recruit elite guards and the team can't shoot. 

- He can't recruit HS players.

- His teams get blown-out in B1G games and against decent teams. 

Obviously IU's decision-making when choosing basketball coaches is bad. The fact that they chose a basketball coach with ZERO college coaching experience was an astoundingly bad choice. There is no way to defend such a choice. The next coach should not be chosen in the same manner. That process obviously didn't work. Whatever checks and balances (if there were any) that should have been in place failed miserably.

[Golfman25 5,818]

2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

Actually it's one poster.  But the fact remains, keeping him may result in some ugly scenes inside Assembly Hall.  It that happens its on the Administration.  

[AH1971 1,648]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

I don't think anybody is actually going to harm anybody either, but these same people suggesting it could happen are going to be the same people left dumbfounded once Stevens (again), May, Pearl, etc all say "No" to IU. 

We'll end up hiring the next lucky up and comer who has zero experience managing these kinds of expectations or fan base and be right back here in another 3-4 years only under a new thread title.

Rinse, wash, repeat

[KathywithaC 633]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

Does my alumni status dictate my fan status, thereby granting or restricting my opinion on a team I've cheered for my entire life but could care less to watch a second of this season? 

Genuinely interested in this.

No, I was just curious since you made it a point to mention your alumni and athletic competition and coaching status, presumably to explicitly define your credibility. If you’re not willing to share, that’s fine. Just say so.

[AH1971 1,648]

1 minute ago, Golfman25 said:

Actually it's one poster.  But the fact remains, keeping him may result in some ugly scenes inside Assembly Hall.  It that happens its on the Administration.  

Uh no.

Fans who can't control their emotions lie solely on the individual.

Are you serious right now?

[Bowhunter 2,720]

I’ve took some time off, kind of checked out since McNeely and Mullins said no thanks.  I just want to add that I was one that wanted him gone last season. Many of my friends thought the NIL money would out weigh Woodson’s defeciencies.  My hope is that we move on and get Dusty behind the scene's, before he gets a massive extension. If there are better options, I’m happy with that too. Indiana basketball is about toughness and heart. We have no leadership.  I would like to see an interim coach take over.  We have to get this hire right this time!

[KathywithaC 633]

7 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

You are here on an anonymous internet forum asking for my personal information. That screams personal, visceral, and emotional reaction

I’m not asking for your name or any personal information - I just wondered if and / or when you attended IU. You’ve answered, so that’s fine.

[Mr. Hoosier Pride 663]

1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

No, I was just curious since you made it a point to mention your alumni and athletic competition and coaching status, presumably to explicitly define your credibility. If you’re not willing to share, that’s fine. Just say so.

Kathy's drinking again....I never mentioned anything like that.....try again

[Chris007 46,538]

8 minutes ago, 68Hoosier said:

Okay, I am following along today and feel really old.  What is DOX.

PS I have been an IU fan since the 81 championship season.  I graduated from IU in 92.  Just in case you want to DOX me.

When someone releases your personal information pubicly without your permission. 

[MikeRoberts 7,233]

6 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I can understand why so many people are infuriated by the current status of the program, but the implication from several posters is that violence could result if IU doesn’t terminate Woodson, and that’s disturbing on several levels, to say the least. Perhaps it’s just modern day fandom, but I’ve never associated it with our fans previously.

Please don’t take one posters comment and make it more than it is. That would be like me saying Indiana fans think their process is perfect because you said so.

[KathywithaC 633]

Just now, Mr. Hoosier Pride said:

Kathy's drinking again....I never mentioned anything like that.....try again

Sorry, you jumped into the middle of another poster’s comment. Did you attend IU?

[Pagoda 1,137]

1 minute ago, AH1971 said:

I don't think anybody is actually going to harm anybody either, but these same people suggesting it could happen are going to be the same people left dumbfounded once Stevens (again), May, Pearl, etc all say "No" to IU. 

We'll end up hiring the next lucky up and comer who has zero experience managing these kinds of expectations or fan base and be right back here in another 3-4 years only under a new thread title.

Rinse, wash, repeat

Ah yes, expectations and the fan base are the problem.  Yet many other basketball schools succeed, they have expectations and engaged fans too.  Same with football schools and their football programs -- many of those fan bases are far wilder than IU's.

Maybe we just need to hire a good coach.

[Home Jersey 9,151]

10 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

So somebody is going to physically harm Woodson and/or somebody from the team and yet this fan base wonders year after year why we can't ever hire anybody worth a salt?

Yeah tone deaf.

And I'm out on Woodson by the way, so you don't need to ask 1000x over. 

Very likely not the case anyone would get physically violent, but from a planning perspective, worst case scenarios should be accounted for and in a stadium of 17,000 angry people, unpredictable things can happen. Since there is no upside for keeping Woodson on as HC, you may as well eliminate that risk. Nice of you join us in the year of our Lord 2024 in being out on Woodson lol

[KathywithaC 633]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

Please don’t take one posters comment and make it more than it is. That would be like me saying Indiana fans think their process is perfect because you said so.

That’s different. You’d be lying if you said that.

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,482]

Just now, KathywithaC said:

Sorry, you jumped into the middle of another poster’s comment. Did you attend IU?

Just curious... 

Did you grow up in an Indiana household that had season tickets to IUFB and IUBB?