Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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2 hours ago, IUrocker said:

That HH podcast with Brian Evans was indeed a good listen. They are completely done with Woodson. In the words of the great Tom Crean, “you wrecked our program!” 
 

* Also just a heads up, anyone able to listen to the podcast, it starts with Brian Evans and talking about the program at the 30:45 mark. They go on and on for a while after that about different things that have happened behind the scenes and what is all going on that just goes to show Woody being the head of the basketball program is a freakin’ joke. 

Is there anything of interest before the 30:45 mark or just them talking?

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5 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

You laugh, but that game really scares me.  We are coming off of three straight losses to them.  

If we don’t play much better, the conference will present many scary games. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 84,773]

Those of you who don't think Dolson doesn't have Woody's exit on his radar are selling him way too short.  IMO getting Woody out has been on his radar for well over a year but he's been hamstrung by Woody's fairy godfathers.  Also, as much as the vast majority of us want him gone, the optics of a mid-season firing wouldn't be a good look for IU barring some kind of public/legal transgression.    Now, should Woody develop some 'health issue' and resign, that would be totally acceptable.  Dolson got us one helluva football coach and I'm highly confident he's already got a list for our next bball coach and he's checking it twice.

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1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

Is there anything of interest before the 30:45 mark or just them talking?

Yeah they’re talking about other stuff, some football stuff. I just mentioned that time frame since it had to do with Woodson and bball and when Brian Evans came on in case people just wanted to get to that part. 

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5 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

If we don’t play much better, the conference will present many scary games. 

If we don't play better Sam Houston State is going to be a problem. Maybe Winthrop too.

We wanted higher quality cupcakes? That's what we have.

Better hope one of them doesn't catch fire on open threes.

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

Really, not on SD’s radar?  They just sucked a$$ against quality competition.  They have no further quality competition until conference starts in a couple of weeks.   Anyone who expects a “good” season after that debacle is living a lie.  Sure I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I know what I saw.  This “committee” or whoever needs to get their head out of their butt.  

Several in here are misconstruing the context of the 'SD's radar' comment. It means making the coaching change is not on his immediate to-do list, mostly because he's not allowed to have it on there yet 

He knows he won't get a green light for it until March at the earliest so why lose sleep on it now? There's a lot going on with IU athletics at the moment and he's probably putting his energy where it's needed most... Like making sure Curt Cignetti stays in Bloomington. The end of the MW experiment has been on his radar since last year, and while he's waiting for the day he's allowed to relieve MW of his duties I'm sure he's done and continues doing his due diligence behind the scenes.

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3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Those of you who don't think Dolson doesn't have Woody's exit on his radar are selling him way too short.  IMO getting Woody out has been on his radar for well over a year but he's been hamstrung by Woody's fairy godfathers.  Also, as much as the vast majority of us want him gone, the optics of a mid-season firing wouldn't be a good look for IU barring some kind of public/legal transgression.    Now, should Woody develop some 'health issue' and resign, that would be totally acceptable.  Dolson got us one helluva football coach and I'm highly confident he's already got a list for our next bball coach and he's checking it twice.

I'm in favor of a change -- but not at mid-season. Just not sure what that would accomplish. Plus, I'm not sure there's anybody on staff who's capable of running the program in the interim. The popular choice would be Calbert -- but it seems from past posts by people who seem to have a good grasp of the situation that he's not interested in that responsibility. 

I recall us playing at Minnesota a couple years back. Woody was out sick and either Yaz or Kenya ran the team -- can't remember which -- and we turned what should have been an easy 15- or 20-point victory into a game we barely won. 

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2 hours ago, IUrocker said:

That HH podcast with Brian Evans was indeed a good listen. They are completely done with Woodson. In the words of the great Tom Crean, “you wrecked our program!” 
 

* Also just a heads up, anyone able to listen to the podcast, it starts with Brian Evans and talking about the program at the 30:45 mark. They go on and on for a while after that about different things that have happened behind the scenes and what is all going on that just goes to show Woody being the head of the basketball program is a freakin’ joke. 

Link to the episode/video?

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6 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

I'm in favor of a change -- but not at mid-season. Just not sure what that would accomplish. Plus, I'm not sure there's anybody on staff who's capable of running the program in the interim. The popular choice would be Calbert -- but it seems from past posts by people who seem to have a good grasp of the situation that he's not interested in that responsibility. 

I recall us playing at Minnesota a couple years back. Woody was out sick and either Yaz or Kenya ran the team -- can't remember which -- and we turned what should have been an easy 15- or 20-point victory into a game we barely won. 

Another solid point on why not to make any mid-season change because who do you anoint?  Calbert would seem to be the most likely and easiest to sell because, god forbid, he's another IU guy.  But, Raby has been very adamant that Calbert would never accept an interim title because his loyalty to Woody is greater than his loyalty to IU.

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5 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Link to the episode/video?

https://247sports.com/college/indiana/article/hoosier-hysterics-podcast-the-state-of-iu-football-and-basketball-with-brian-evans-241025037/

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13 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

If we don’t play much better, the conference will present many scary games. 

Looking at the rest of the schedule, admittedly without following the entire B10 super closely, I'd expect something like: 

• Sam Houston - W
• Miami Ohio - W
• Minnesota - W
• @ Nebraska - L
• Chattanooga - W
• Winthrop - W
• Rutgers - W/L
• @ Penn State (in Philly, I will be there so it’s almost a guarantee we lose) - W/L
• USC - W
• @ Iowa - W/L
• Illinois - L
• @ Ohio State - W/L
• @ Northwestern - L
• Maryland - W/L
• @ Purdue - L 
• @ Wisconsin - L
• Michigan - L
• @ Michigan State - L
• UCLA - W/L
• Purdue - L
• Penn State - W
• @ Washington - W
• @ Oregon - L 
• Ohio State - W/L

So 8 wins, 7 toss ups, 9 losses. If we won all toss ups, that'd be 20-11. 

Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, but if we have the late season losing streak I'd expect, wouldn't be surprised if Woody were to have a knee or back issue before our west coast trip and let an interim run the show starting then through the BTT. 

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20 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Those of you who don't think Dolson doesn't have Woody's exit on his radar are selling him way too short.  IMO getting Woody out has been on his radar for well over a year but he's been hamstrung by Woody's fairy godfathers.  Also, as much as the vast majority of us want him gone, the optics of a mid-season firing wouldn't be a good look for IU barring some kind of public/legal transgression.    Now, should Woody develop some 'health issue' and resign, that would be totally acceptable.  Dolson got us one helluva football coach and I'm highly confident he's already got a list for our next bball coach and he's checking it twice.

I can tell you that “getting Woody out” hasn’t been on SD’s radar at all. He wants us to be a much better program and wants Mike to lead us there, but he’s not secretly planning to get rid of him, and he never has been.

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3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I can tell you that “getting Woody out” hasn’t been on SD’s radar at all. He wants us to be a much better program and wants Mike to lead us there, but he’s not secretly planning to get rid of him, and he never has been.

None of us are going to believe that for a second, and if that's truly the case, we're in deep. 

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Just now, HinnyHoosier said:

None of us are going to believe that for a second. If that's the case, we're in deep. 

I also want to see pigs fly, but I'm not realistically expecting it to happen, so am planning my life accordingly. 

Hopefully Scott feels similarly in this instance. 

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3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Looking at the rest of the schedule, admittedly without following the entire B10 super closely, I'd expect something like: 

• Sam Houston - W
• Miami Ohio - W
• Minnesota - W
• @ Nebraska - L
• Chattanooga - W
• Winthrop - W
• Rutgers - W/L
• @ Penn State (in Philly, I will be there so it’s almost a guarantee we lose) - W/L
• USC - W
• @ Iowa - W/L
• Illinois - L
• @ Ohio State - W/L
• @ Northwestern - L
• Maryland - W/L
• @ Purdue - L 
• @ Wisconsin - L
• Michigan - L
• @ Michigan State - L
• UCLA - W/L
• Purdue - L
• Penn State - W
• @ Washington - W
• @ Oregon - L 
• Ohio State - W/L

So 8 wins, 7 toss ups, 9 losses. If we won all toss ups, that'd be 20-11. 

Maybe I'm overly pessimistic, but if we have the late season losing streak I'd expect, wouldn't be surprised if Woody were to have a knee or back issue before our west coast trip and let an interim run the show starting then through the BTT. 

If that’s how the season goes, I’ll be surprised if he comes back, but I’ll be equally surprised if anything is done until after the season ends.

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6 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

None of us are going to believe that for a second, and if that's truly the case, we're in deep. 

I understand that people don’t want to believe or accept that, but there’s a way this will all very, very likely transpire.

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2 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

The likelihood of him being fired during the season is remote, period. Were it to even be considered, it would be a March time frame unless, of course, there were transgressions (academic and / or legal issues) that occurred.  A bad week in the Bahamas was a concerning message that we aren’t where we need to be, but this isn’t even on SD’s radar right now.

That said, I can tell you that everyone understands we need to have a very good season or there will be changes. And while this remains a decision with multiple stakeholders involved, it’s my clear sense that there’s alignment on how the season needs to transpire for people to feel good about continuing forward with the status quo. 

I wouldn’t put too much stock in comparing hoops to football, but it’s well known that most days Cignetti goes to work in the dark and heads home in the dark, regardless of the time of year. He talks the talk, but he definitely walks the walk, and he expects the coaches and players to do so, as well. He’s also highly organized, efficient and purposeful in everything he does. Little wasted energy or effort, and a very clear sense of direction in all that goes on around the program. 

Not saying Mike isn’t any of those things, but when your results aren’t what you’d like, it’s probably not a bad idea to at least appear to be working really hard in an attempt to make things better, and maybe demonstrate a sense of urgency in your attitude and demeanor. I’ll leave it at that but can assure you people have noticed a difference, and it matters.

Will share more later.

 

19 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I can tell you that “getting Woody out” hasn’t been on SD’s radar at all. He wants us to be a much better program and wants Mike to lead us there, but he’s not secretly planning to get rid of him, and he never has been.

This is a bit of a mind-boggling hedge. You can't be in Scott Dolson's position and not be looking ahead at the next coach, let alone not even be considering a change as you assert. From a business and responsibility perspective it would be egregiously lazy and stupid, neither of which are qualities I believe he's demonstrated. From a common sense perspective... Come on. And maybe I'm misunderstanding you or overlooking some context, but I'm sorry Cathy. I do appreciate your participation and insight here on the board, but I hope you aren't in sales because I'm not buying.

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18 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

None of us are going to believe that for a second, and if that's truly the case, we're in deep. 

Yeah that's BS

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4 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

This is a bit of a mind-boggling hedge. You can't be in Scott Dolson's position and not be looking ahead at the next coach, let alone not even be considering a change as you assert. From a business and responsibility perspective it would be egregiously lazy and stupid. From a common sense perspective... Come on. And maybe I'm misunderstanding you or overlooking some context, but I'm sorry Cathy. I do appreciate your participation and insight here on the board, but I hope you aren't in sales because I'm not buying.

I suppose she's just saying he's not going to actively campaign to get Woody out, he will maintain appearances and root for Woody to do the impossible and win while the inevitable unfolds. When he does not meet the standard, he will be out.

Whatever the standard actually is, who knows... Lots of room for interpretation...

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2 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

 

This is a bit of a mind-boggling hedge. You can't be in Scott Dolson's position and not be looking ahead at the next coach, let alone not even be considering a change as you assert. From a business and responsibility perspective it would be egregiously lazy and stupid. From a common sense perspective... Come on. Sorry Cathy, I do appreciate your participation and insight here on the board, but I hope you aren't in sales.

Scott likely has a list of coaches that he’d be interested in for every sport we play, including basketball, so he’s very diligent in that respect.

I was just pushing back on the notion that he’s ready to move Mike out or that he’s contemplating moving him out or that he’s planning three months out for that eventuality. He isn’t. Having contingencies is a part of any endeavor, but there’s a process for how these things get done within IU, and Scott knows that process quite well.

There’s no groundswell against Mike right now from the stakeholders who are a part of this, just like there wasn’t last Spring when people wanted Woodson gone. They’re going to let the season play out, they’ll evaluate along the way, and then they’ll decide. But the notion that Scott has wanted to pull the trigger on Mike simply isn’t true.