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5 minutes ago, btownqb said:

And if Dan Campbell refers him, I'm sure a s*** hiring him. Dan Campbell can coach. 

Regardless of ARE's credentials, I'm not arguing with Dan Campbell!! 

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19 hours ago, IndyResident16 said:

I don’t prefer Carey. I said if Dolson is hell bent on hiring an Indiana guy just for the sake of doing it, promote Carey in that instance. At least he’s been a head coach before. ARE name is only mentioned due to the fact he played at Indiana, not because he meets some kind of qualifications.

He's an NFL asst coach. 

That literally holds just as much weight for me as being the HC at No ILL, a decade ago. 

Every coach we've hired has been qualified. None have worked. 

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4 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Regardless of ARE's credentials, I'm not arguing with Dan Campbell!! 

Do you think he commands a room or what? My goodness. 

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35 minutes ago, btownqb said:

I can't believe I just read someone would prefer Carey over ARE. That's wild

The lack of experience in college, framed as a negative for ARE, seems dumb to me. His lack of experience in college is because, ya know, he's coaching at a higher level.  

No experience program-building in college matters and we probably aren’t going to commit to the resources that can make that easier on a guy that’s never worked in college.

Not sure how that take is considered any dumber than him being “more qualified” because he’s an NFL position coach. This isn’t an X’s and O’s debate to me. 

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2 hours ago, OGIUAndy said:

This is all great and stuff, but passion doesn't win you games, look at CTA. As for the rest ...guy that knows football -- offense, defense, special teams.  Has an offensive philosophy.  And a defensive philosophy.  That lives and breaths the stuff I have no idea if ARE has any of this. And  Whether he's put a practice together isn't dispositive -- the dude in line at Kilroy's can figure that out.  So why did a recruit say that CTA's practices were a "sh*t show" if the dude in line at Kilroy's can figure it out? 

Because CTA is chitshow.  Some guys can do it, many cannot -- and this includes many "experienced" coaches.  Hell CTA got worse with experience.  Some guys just know how to win -- and that is what we need.  

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15 hours ago, btownqb said:

He's an NFL asst coach. 

That literally holds just as much weight for me as being the HC at No ILL, a decade ago, to me. 

Every coach we've hired has been qualified. None have worked. 

BS.

-He’s never been a head coach

-He’s never called plays 

-He’s never recruited

-He’s never been tasked with having to evaluate and hire a staff

Being a position coach is a resume starter. Being tasked with trying to build a program that’s the worst in all of college football with ZERO experience or background in doing so is an unmitigated disaster. It’s negligent and the BoT should forcibly remove Dolson if he’s allowed to do as such.

 

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1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

No experience program-building in college matters and we probably aren’t going to commit to the resources that can make that easier on a guy that’s never worked in college.

Not sure how that take is considered any dumber than him being “more qualified” because he’s an NFL position coach. This isn’t an X’s and O’s debate to me. 

Preposterous. We did in bball. 

Not an Xs and Os debate? It sure as heck should be. I just can't believe you guys think we are just going to hire some coordinator from a bigger school, whatever and it's some decent solution. Just don't see that. 

I feel ARE checks the most boxes long term. 

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9 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

No experience program-building in college matters and we probably aren’t going to commit to the resources that can make that easier on a guy that’s never worked in college.

Not sure how that take is considered any dumber than him being “more qualified” because he’s an NFL position coach. This isn’t an X’s and O’s debate to me. 

Hiring ARE is akin to letting the baggage claim attendant fly the plane.

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Just now, btownqb said:

Preposterous. We did in bball. 

Not an Xs and Os debate? It sure as heck should be. I just can't believe you guys think we are just going to hire some coordinator from a bigger school, whatever and it's some decent solution. Just don't see that. 

I feel ARE checks the most boxes long term. 

Building a basketball program is far less tedious than building a football program, especially when you have ZERO built in advantages. 

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Some of you guys believe Jesus Christ himself will be coming down to coach.   It ain't happening fellas.  You want a guy with HC experience, then you're looking at some small college dude using it as a stepping stone.  Need a guy with a chip on his shoulder who is going to prove to the world that he can do it, regardless of the circumstances.  

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25 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Weren't all of our former HCs, either a coordinators or former HCs? 

How'd they work out here? That plan sucks, imo. 

Nahh.  I'll take guy I know isn't going to use this as a stepping stone and has charisma in BUNCHES. 

And if Dan Campbell refers him, I'm sure a s*** hiring him. Dan Campbell can coach. 

If we hired someone from the Lions I would have hire their OC

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1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

Building a basketball program is far less tedious than building a football program, especially when you have ZERO built in advantages. 

That's undeniable. 

So start with the dude that people pay attention to first. Build from there. 

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I should start by pointing out that I don’t know much about football.  However, I am somewhat surprised to just the number that are not in the ARE camp.  
 

From everything I have read and know about him is that he is a tremendous leader and as the cliche goes ‘he has something to him’.  He has that ‘it’ factor and an unbelievable personality.

I don’t know many of the other names being mentioned outside of the big ones like Gruden or Meyer.  I would much prefer ARE than some coordinator that is 60+ and has no ties to IU.  That would be a firm no and experience just because your old is overvalued to me.  I can see ARE having a conversation in a recruits living room compared to a 60 something retread and would imagine said recruit and his family coming away completely impressed.

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5 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

Some of you guys believe Jesus Christ himself will be coming down to coach.   It ain't happening fellas.  You want a guy with HC experience, then you're looking at some small college dude using it as a stepping stone.  Need a guy with a chip on his shoulder who is going to prove to the world that he can do it, regardless of the circumstances.  

I would hire a guy like Coastal Carolina coach and if he comes here does great and leaves that would mean our program is in good shape. I think a lot of the better coaches started out at smaller programs and moved up. Meyer went to BG then to Utah and then Florida. 

OSU hired Tressell from Youngstown State and it worked out well. 

I see that people wished we kept Deborer over TA and his defense not HC came from a small non power 5 team.

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4 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Preposterous. We did in bball. 

Not an Xs and Os debate? It sure as heck should be. I just can't believe you guys think we are just going to hire some coordinator from a bigger school, whatever and it's some decent solution. Just don't see that. 

I feel ARE checks the most boxes long term. 

What is preposterous about Indiana not properly funding its football program? It’s what we’ve done for a century. Why would I expect that to suddenly change?

It’s not an X’s and O’s debate because I don’t worry about the X’s and O’s with Antwaan. He obviously knows ball. Does he know college program building? Does he know the recruiting landscape? Can he bring in a staff that will cover his deficits with the budget he’ll have? 

I also ask again: Does he want to? Is Antwaan dumb enough to leave the NFL to coach the worst program in the history of CFB? Is there any evidence, ever, that points him toward IU or CFB in general? Does he even care about IU? Don’t remember him ever doing much for the program. 

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Start at the top of the coaching tree, and go down from there. Throw him  the keys, and convince the boosters that their $10mil investment will be returned within 5 years.

Someone will see this as a challenge, they can't refuse!

#DREAMBIG

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5 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

What is preposterous about Indiana not properly funding its football program? It’s what we’ve done for a century. Why would I expect that to suddenly change?

It’s not an X’s and O’s debate because I don’t worry about the X’s and O’s with Antwaan. He obviously knows ball. Does he know college program building? Does he know the recruiting landscape? Can he bring in a staff that will cover his deficits with the budget he’ll have? 

I also ask again: Does he want to? Is Antwaan dumb enough to leave the NFL to coach the worst program in the history of CFB? Is there any evidence, ever, that points him toward IU or CFB in general? Does he even care about IU? Don’t remember him ever doing much for the program. 

Yeah -- I would hope if ARE is interested, it is genuine.  

It's been a few years and my memory is fading, but I seem to remember Cam Cameron sorta being prodded into taking the gig -- as opposed to Woody, who seems to really, really want to be in B-town. I could be wrong on Cameron, but that's sorta the way I remember it. 

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6 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I should start by pointing out that I don’t know much about football.  However, I am somewhat surprised to just the number that are not in the ARE camp.  
 

From everything I have read and know about him is that he is a tremendous leader and as the cliche goes ‘he has something to him’.  He has that ‘it’ factor and an unbelievable personality.

I don’t know many of the other names being mentioned outside of the big ones like Gruden or Meyer.  I would much prefer ARE than some coordinator that is 60+ and has no ties to IU.  That would be a firm no and experience just because your old is overvalued to me.  I can see ARE having a conversation in a recruits living room compared to a 60 something retread and would imagine said recruit and his family coming away completely impressed.

There aren’t many 60 year old coordinators and the ones that are out there won’t be getting a call from IU. If IU is hiring a 60 year old, it’s a 60 year old with a proven track record of building a program(s) and winning. If that’s the case, sign me up.

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7 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

What is preposterous about Indiana not properly funding its football program? It’s what we’ve done for a century. Why would I expect that to suddenly change?

It’s not an X’s and O’s debate because I don’t worry about the X’s and O’s with Antwaan. He obviously knows ball. Does he know college program building? Does he know the recruiting landscape? Can he bring in a staff that will cover his deficits with the budget he’ll have? 

I also ask again: Does he want to? Is Antwaan dumb enough to leave the NFL to coach the worst program in the history of CFB? Is there any evidence, ever, that points him toward IU or CFB in general? Does he even care about IU? Don’t remember him ever doing much for the program. 

Ehh.. that's not the part I'm debating. If we have to convince him, yodda yodda.. then no, don't want him. 

And this is CLEARLY a brainstorm, like every other idea on here, currently... but

What if ARE walks in Dolsons office tomorrow with a detailed plan of how he envisions he and his staff would make things work at Indiana? Who he wants to hire, what amount of money he needs, etc. 

That, to me, along with AREs personality is our best shot. Something like that. 

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Again.. the bold isn't a "thing" for me right now.. because if he doesn't want it.. nothing else needs said. 

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25 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

If we hired someone from the Lions I would have hire their OC

He'll be an NFL HC next season. This is IU football we're talking about here. Not exactly a desirable job.