IUBB vs Rutgers - 03/02/22 @ 7:00 on BTN

[IUFAN1976 4,017]

5 hours ago, IU Scott said:

That is how I am, I rather was bad IU basketball than no IU basketball at all.  My favorite time in tbe year is from Nov.- April because of college basketball. After the season is over it is like I have withdrawal and wishing for IU basketball.  Like everyone on here who is a fan of IU basketball I want IU to get back to what they were like when I was growing up.  By the time I was 17 I had seen 3 national championship teams and thought it was our right to be the best in college basketball.  I would say our fan base was really spoiled during those years and now we act like spoiled brats because we are no longer elite.

We I witnessed 2 by the time I was 17 and the 3rd by the time I was 23, I 100% agree! I think entitled is the most appropriate words

[IUFAN1976 4,017]

4 hours ago, IU Scott said:

He was fired for more than that.  He was already on probation and did the same crime again.  Also the type of kids he brought in shod be grounds for a firing.  We had drug dealers and pimps on that team

Exactly!  Sampscum is one of those win at all cost type coaches 

[IUFAN1976 4,017]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I think our fans are part of the reason we don't get better candidates for when we have a coaching opening.  Why would any successful power 5 conference coach leave to come here. If they come here and don't turn it around year one then some of the fan base starts calling for your head.  Also I think how our fans treat the players on the team you say you love is a problem with recruiting.  If you are successful and have fans like that then recruits will over look it but right now we are not successful.

I do think that is the impression some are giving.  I said you have to at least give him 3 years and that set some off.  We can’t be a program who fires coaches after 1 year for not making the tournament, we’ll never land a good coach.  Coaches need 3-4 years to get their type of recruits and to establish the type of culture program they want to have.

[Golfman25 5,950]

1 hour ago, IU Scott said:

I heard CMW say in interviews he wants TJD to shoot but he doesn't feel confident to do so.

Yes he has said it more than once.  TJD does it in practice, just not in games.  I guess I’ll believe what Woodson said publicly vs a quote from a Kansas paper.  

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Not according to that article, he wants him to post up which is best for the team.  To me, they are saying contradicting things

It's not difficult to see TJD is reluctant shooting a 10 foot jumper. I don't think there's any way CMW made that shot zero tolerance.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

1 hour ago, bird4par said:

IU is not Duke or UNC.

They may be right where we are in 3 years.

[HoosierHoops1 5,024]

42 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I do think that is the impression some are giving.  I said you have to at least give him 3 years and that set some off.  We can’t be a program who fires coaches after 1 year for not making the tournament, we’ll never land a good coach.  Coaches need 3-4 years to get their type of recruits and to establish the type of culture program they want to have.

and 3 is too few, unless you're regressing.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

Who wants Woody fired?!

Woody should be accountable for the mistakes he's made. The players should be held accountable for the mistakes they've made. That's actually signs of a good program but it feels like we've forgotten what a good program is.

[RaceToTheTop 27,138]

10 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I don’t know what your deleted post quoting me said, but I enjoy the good times. There just haven’t been very many. The highlight of the past 6 years or so was probably Romeo’s commitment day. That day was a lot of fun. Tons of hope for the future. Since then, every year has been the same. The season starts out well and then we collapse in February. It’s Groundhog Day. Even the one year we may have made the tournament before it was canceled, we started the season 15-4 and then lost 8 of the next 12 games. This year, we entered February 16-5. Easily a tournament team. Fast forward a month and we’re 18-11, losers of 6 out of the last 8. 

It makes the few bright spots we have here and there much harder to enjoy. There’s always a lingering “the collapse is coming” feeling. 

I deleted a post quoting you because what I said wasn't any different than someone else had replied to your post.  I read their post after I posted mine and since it had already been covered and you had replied to that one, there was no need to post mine.

[JSHoosier 20,887]

Is being aware enough not to let Harper just walk up the floor and into a shot with the game on the line setting the bar low enough yet?

I've said it before, part of the reason IU is in this position is not setting and maintaining expectations rather making excuses.  The right coach can get things going in the right direction pretty quickly.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

3 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

Is being aware enough not to let Harper just walk up the floor and into a shot with the game on the line setting the bar low enough yet?

I've said it before, part of the reason IU is in this position is not setting and maintaining expectations rather making excuses.  The right coach can get things going in the right direction pretty quickly.

Yes, it was ONLY the 29th game of the season. That'll come later and can't be expected in his first year.

[JSHoosier 20,887]

39 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Yes, it was ONLY the 29th game of the season. That'll come later and can't be expected in his first year.

Heck, first 3 years they really just need to collect their check, can't be expected to fix anything in that time.  15 foot set shot with no defense?  That's an awfully big task.  Consistent effort?  Forget about it.

I mean he's clearly great at his job, he hasn't been a HC since 2014 and even then was fired after 3 years but he could've had any job he wanted.

[MikeRoberts 7,379]

On 3/4/2022 at 7:51 AM, Chris007 said:

You also don't have to continue to eat the sh*t sandwich. :-)

You don’t really mean that. If he and every disappointed IU fan stopped this program would be officially dead. Indiana basketball is not the players, not the coaches, it’s the fans. There was a time it was all three but it hasn’t for 20 years. The fanbase is all we have. 
I hate it when people say, if you don’t like it, leave. 

[bird4par 295]

10 hours ago, HoosierHoops1 said:

and 3 is too few, unless you're regressing.

After three, you have a pretty good idea as to what the coach is going to be able to do.    Looking back at the last two coaches, I knew Archie wasn't going to make it after year two, RL & JM and he loses 13 out of 14 or something like that.  Crean was a little different, I believe it was year three when he had some of his recruits and then Mo Creek went down against UK and IU struggled after that.  The Syracuse game was when I checked out on Crean.  I think this is accurate; although there have been many Busch Latte's drank & gummies consumed since then so my years may be a little off.

With the transfer portal, three years is adequate time to get things rolling.

[JSHoosier 20,887]

1 minute ago, bird4par said:

After three, you have a pretty good idea as to what the coach is going to be able to do.    Looking back at the last two coaches, I knew Archie wasn't going to make it after year two, RL & JM and he loses 13 out of 14 or something like that.  Crean was a little different, I believe it was year three when he had some of his recruits and then Mo Creek went down against UK and IU struggled after that.  The Syracuse game was when I checked out on Crean.  I think this is accurate; although there have been many Busch Latte's drank & gummies consumed since then so my years may be a little off.

With the transfer portal, three years is adequate time to get things rolling.

Took long enough on Miller, I said he may not last 5 years when he was hired.

[Uspshoosier 47,350]

In my opinion I think fans overrate the importance that they play in the overall picture of a program.    That’s negative or positive.   I don’t think for a sec a recruit has ever said the fans are bad and treat the players like crap so I’m not going to go to that school.  Or a coach not wanting to come because of the fan base.   Brooks said some things about Rupp that fired up the fan base a couple years ago and they were all saying he needs to leave and he won’t be back.   He is dead to me.  Brooks helps Kentucky win games so brooks is still in the program.    Doesn’t matter how many angry fans from a message board decided to leave, IU would still continue to be a program.   This all comes down to winning.  If people left and said they were done all it would take is winning to bring them back.    Houston was a ghost town before Sampson arrived and winning has brought that town back to make it a great college environment.    If you win it, they will come.   Just my opinion  

[MikeRoberts 7,379]

43 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

In my opinion I think fans overrate the importance that they play in the overall picture of a program.    That’s negative or positive.   I don’t think for a sec a recruit has ever said the fans are bad and treat the players like crap so I’m not going to go to that school.  Or a coach not wanting to come because of the fan base.   Brooks said some things about Rupp that fired up the fan base a couple years ago and they were all saying he needs to leave and he won’t be back.   He is dead to me.  Brooks helps Kentucky win games so brooks is still in the program.    Doesn’t matter how many angry fans from a message board decided to leave, IU would still continue to be a program.   This all comes down to winning.  If people left and said they were done all it would take is winning to bring them back.    Houston was a ghost town before Sampson arrived and winning has brought that town back to make it a great college environment.    If you win it, they will come.   Just my opinion  

Thus my point. IU hasn’t has a good coach nor won in 20 years. The fans have been the program despite all that.

If it came down to winning, we wouldn’t be here

[Uspshoosier 47,350]

38 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Thus my point. IU hasn’t has a good coach nor won in 20 years. The fans have been the program despite all that.

If it came down to winning, we wouldn’t be here

Each fan still has had a choice these last 20 years.  Continue to watch as the program declines and hope that it gets better or they could cut bait and do something else with their time.   Program still went on without those that cut bait and will continue to do so in the future if more decide to bail.     When knight first left I’m sure you knew some fans that dropped IU and became Texas Tech fans.   Program went on without those fans 

[RaceToTheTop 27,138]

2 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

You don’t really mean that. If he and every disappointed IU fan stopped this program would be officially dead. Indiana basketball is not the players, not the coaches, it’s the fans. There was a time it was all three but it hasn’t for 20 years. The fanbase is all we have. 
I hate it when people say, if you don’t like it, leave. 

If the feel the comparison between doing something that is supposed to be enjoyable is eating a **** sandwich, why would you stay?  That goes beyond being disappointed.

[Hoosierfan2017 22,327]

24 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

If the feel the comparison between doing something that is supposed to be enjoyable is eating a **** sandwich, why would you stay?  That goes beyond being disappointed.

Do you disagree that IU basketball has been feeding its fanbase a **** sandwich for the better part of the past two decades? Unless we win today and sneak into the tournament, we’ll have had more than twice has many losing conference seasons (9) as we’ve had tournament appearances (4) since we hired Crean. We’ve finished higher than 6th place in the conference 3 times during that period, and we’ve finished higher than 5th place twice. Top 4 in the big ten twice in the past 14 seasons.

Maybe we’re stupid for coming back for more at this point. Maybe I’m just a glutton for punishment. Idk.