Player comps for argument's sakes

[RaceToTheTop]

Just for shits and giggles....which player is/was better?

1.  TJD or Alan Henderson?

2.  Race Thompson or Daryl Thomas?

3.  Rob Phinisee or Chris Reynolds?

 

[Stuhoo]

39 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Just for shits and giggles....which player is/was better?

1.  TJD or Alan Henderson?

2.  Race Thompson or Daryl Thomas?

3.  Rob Phinisee or Chris Reynolds?

 

1. Healthy? Henderson. Post-knee injury? TJD.

2. Race.

3. Chris.

 

 

[IUFAN1976]

41 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Just for shits and giggles....which player is/was better?

1.  TJD or Alan Henderson?

2.  Race Thompson or Daryl Thomas?

3.  Rob Phinisee or Chris Reynolds?

 

The later on all 3!  Henderson, Thomas and Reynolds were better!  
 

Henderson was able to hit more shots from a longer distance and better at the free throw line.

Daryl Thonas was most definitely better.  He was a better leader, player than Race is; however, Race has gotten much better and if had played for CMW, I would say Race would be comparable.  The only other difference is Thomas won a National title and Race hasn’t even been in the tournament.

Reynolds vs Phinesee is the closest comparison of any of them because Reynolds wasn’t a scorer but he was smarter, he knew his role and he was a lock down consistent defender.  Phinesee had the potential to do all that but has yet to do that on a consistent basis.

[Demo]

1. Henderson on the strength of being able to face up and make shots out to 15 ft and being a little better perimeter defender.

2. Probably Thompson. Thomas was a better athlete and a more efficient scorer on the block. But Thompson is a better and more switchable defender, particularly as a rim protector, and he can create some stuff offensively. 
3. For the purposes of a career, probably Reynolds. Great defender. Could run an offense, had decent vision and took pretty good care of the ball. That being said, in today’s game I’m not sure you could play him. It’s one thing to be an inconsistent shooter. It’s another thing to be a non-shooter that teams are are just gonna play under every ball screen on and help off of with no threat of being hurt. On Phinisee’s good days, he’s better. There just aren’t enough of those. 

[Demo]

46 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

 

Henderson was able to hit more shots from a longer distance and better at the free throw line.

Henderson was a much better mid-range jump shooter. He was not a better free throw shooter. Too lazy to look it up, but would be willing to bet they’re in the same ballpark.

[RaceToTheTop]

For those of you comparing Henderson and TJD’s free throws — Henderson was a career 64.6% free throw shooter.  TJD is 66.6%.

[Rico]

9 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

For those of you comparing Henderson and TJD’s free throws — Henderson was a career 64.6% free throw shooter.  TJD is 66.6%.

I would venture to say that TJD's FG% is better as well?

[RaceToTheTop]

Without giving my opinion, here are we’re I think each player had an advantage:

TJD v Henderson:  Henderson had more range.  TJD a little better closer to the tim and I think TJD runs the floor better.

Thompson v Thomas:  Thompson was the better rebounder, Thomas the better scorer.

Reynolds v Phin:  hard to tell.  Comps for what Phin is asked to do are hard to find.  Reynolds was asked to defend well and never take an outside shot and I feel that if Phin were on those teams he might be asked to do something similar.

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

I would venture to say that TJD's FG% is better as well?

Yes, but just barely.  Henderson was at 54%, TJD is currently at 55 for his career.

[GloryDays]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

I would venture to say that TJD's FG% is better as well?

We'll, they're mostly dunks.

Henderson had a great midrange jumper.

He was also a better rebounder.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Woodson1980 said:

We'll, they're mostly dunks.

Henderson had a great midrange jumper.

He was also a better rebounder.

I would say that him being a better rebounder is debatable.  Henderson averaged 8.8 boards in 29 minutes over his four years, TJD has averaged 8.7 in 31.7 for his career so far.  If TJD played four years like Henderson, I’d say that  we if rates would be about the same.

[IU Scott]

16 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

Just for shits and giggles....which player is/was better?

1.  TJD or Alan Henderson?

2.  Race Thompson or Daryl Thomas?

3.  Rob Phinisee or Chris Reynolds?

 

Henderson.

Thomas.

Reynolds

[IUFAN1976]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

I would say that him being a better rebounder is debatable.  Henderson averaged 8.8 boards in 29 minutes over his four years, TJD has averaged 8.7 in 31.7 for his career so far.  If TJD played four years like Henderson, I’d say that  we if rates would be about the same.

 

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

I would say that him being a better rebounder is debatable.  Henderson averaged 8.8 boards in 29 minutes over his four years, TJD has averaged 8.7 in 31.7 for his career so far.  If TJD played four years like Henderson, I’d say that  we if rates would be about the same.

For argument sakes, Henderson and TJD are very similar statistics wise, I think th what gives Henderson a slight edge is his ability to step out and hit mid range jumpers and he was extremely good around the baseline too.  I am starting to see TJD become better around the baseline and if he can continue to step out on the floor and hit from midrange, I could give the nod to TJD, but right now it’s Henderson!

[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, IUFAN1976 said:

 

For argument sakes, Henderson and TJD are very similar statistics wise, I think th what gives Henderson a slight edge is his ability to step out and hit mid range jumpers and he was extremely good around the baseline too.  I am starting to see TJD become better around the baseline and if he can continue to step out on the floor and hit from midrange, I could give the nod to TJD, but right now it’s Henderson!

Personally, I would go with Henderson but that's partially based on his huge senior year.  I don't know that I would say he was better at this point in their careers.  Henderson was certainly surrounded by more talent so it makes sense he wouldn't have scored like TJD did his freshman/sophomore years but I'm not positive that Henderson would have been a 19 point scorer like TJD was last year surrounded by the same talent/coaching.  Don't know.

[maharkn]

I think a good comp for TJD for me would be Dj white. Dj senior year avg 17 and 10 and played a similar game.

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[LamarCheeks]

Granted, my time at IU overlapped the older players (except Henderson; he arrived the year after I graduated), but to me, those are pretty easy choices: 

1. Henderson
2. Thomas
3. Reynolds 

[Stuhoo]

The trick with this thread is that although they are reasonable comps, the comparables are still quite different.

TJD is a pure explosion rim runner and AH was a shooter who, after his knee injury was never a quick twitch player. A better comparison to Trayce is probably Ray Tolbert IMO.

DThomas was a wide base, crafty player around the basket. Far better at that aspect than Race. Race is much more mobile (especially this year). 

Reynolds was a great defender because he was a quicksilver, whippet of a defender. He didn’t play that much point on offense; in fact he barely participated on the offensive end. Phin is a good defender because of strength, and is a true (though limited) point on offense.

IMO there is a perfect comp for Rob; Jamal Meeks, though Meeks was a better passer and a mostly unwilling outside shooter.

 

[GloryDays]

21 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

The trick with this thread is that although they are reasonable comps, the comparables are still quite different.

TJD is a pure explosion rim runner and AH was a shooter who, after his knee injury was never a quick twitch player. A better comparison to Trayce is probably Ray Tolbert IMO.

DThomas was a wide base, crafty player around the basket. Far better at that aspect than Race. Race is much more mobile (especially this year). 

Reynolds was a great defender because he was a quicksilver, whippet of a defender. He didn’t play that much point on offense; in fact he barely participated on the offensive end. Phin is a good defender because of strength, and is a true (though limited) point on offense.

IMO there is a perfect comp for Rob; Jamal Meeks, though Meeks was a better passer and a mostly unwilling outside shooter.

 

I agree with the Tolbert comparison.

[go iu bb]

1. Henderson although I can completely understand if someone answers TJD since they're both studs.

2. Can't answer. I was young when Thomas was playing and don't remember him specifically.

3. Reynolds

[RaceToTheTop]

On 12/5/2021 at 6:55 PM, Woodson1980 said:

I agree with the Tolbert comparison.

TJD may be more like Tolbert in his game play, but I can't honestly say that I would consider taking Tolbert over TJD value-wise.