Coronavirus and Its Impact

[TheWatShot 14,286]

25 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Death toll back above 2000 today without some states even reporting. With some states relaxing social distancing. Probably going to hit 60,000 by end of month. Maybe 65,000

Tennessee and Georgia be like "Yeehaw, back to work, y'all!!!"

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

10 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

Tennessee and Georgia be like "Yeehaw, back to work, y'all!!!"

2499. With a few states not reporting yet. 2500+ for sure today. Opening up now is insanity. 

[Demo 20,488]

My wife, who is a 20 year cancer survivor with the immune system of a baby bird, is on day 2 of a fever, sore throat and cough. She has been quarantining religiously for nearly a month. But here in beautiful Missouri, where our Governor ignored this for as long as humanly possible, she was told about 20 mins ago that she is ineligible to be tested because of the scarcity of tests and that she isn’t yet having breathing problems or been in “known proximity“ of someone who has already tested positive, whatever TF that means. Both really afraid and 10 kinds of pissed just this minute.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,731]

26 minutes ago, Demo said:

My wife, who is a 20 year cancer survivor with the immune system of a baby bird, is on day 2 of a fever, sore throat and cough. She has been quarantining religiously for nearly a month. But here in beautiful Missouri, where our Governor ignored this for as long as humanly possible, she was told about 20 mins ago that she is ineligible to be tested because of the scarcity of tests and that she isn’t yet having breathing problems or been in “known proximity“ of someone who has already tested positive, whatever TF that means. Both really afraid and 10 kinds of pissed just this minute.

Truly sucks.  Hoping it is just a bad cold or spring allergies.  Nothing but positive thoughts for you both.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,731]

43 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

2499. With a few states not reporting yet. 2500+ for sure today. Opening up now is insanity. 

Might place a phone call to the governor of Colorado and point that out to him.,  He's not opening full bore, but he's starting the process on Monday.  From a cousin who lives outside Denver, he caved in to weekend protests at the governor's mansion.

[Golfman25 5,772]

47 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

2499. With a few states not reporting yet. 2500+ for sure today. Opening up now is insanity. 

why would you look at outputs to make that decision?  People dying today where infected probably 4 or so weeks ago.  Wouldn't inputs be more informative?  When to you open up? 

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

why would you look at outputs to make that decision?  People dying today where infected probably 4 or so weeks ago.  Wouldn't inputs be more informative?  When to you open up? 

After you have hit your peak like every sane country.  
 

Still 4 states to report and have our highest total yet. 

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1 hour ago, Golfman25 said:

why would you look at outputs to make that decision?  People dying today where infected probably 4 or so weeks ago.  Wouldn't inputs be more informative?  When to you open up? 

Even the touted model that put the casualities at the lowest has only a couple of states opening the week of May 1st.  And in terms of people dying today being infected probably '4 or so weeks ago'.  Case studies have shown that the average time between suspected infection and death is 14 days.

And of COURSE you look at both inputs and outputs.  And the inputs are barely on decline from the top point and that is with at the highest point in terms of the number of Americans under in-shelter orders.

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

It might have been posted in here, but this thread is a doozy so forgive me if I missed it. Did anyone see the IndyStar article claiming that like 7 people that attended the Lawrence Central sectional have died?
 
Wild times. 

The first case in Floyd County, they attended the Seymour regional, died last week. A friend of the parents. Two more in the community have been on ventilators, the wife has been off for awhile and doing okay. I believe they have or are going to pull the husband off soon. Parents neighbor has been down with it for a bit.

Wild times indeed.


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Indiana coronavirus website now has an option to view number of cases/10,000 people as well as deaths per 10,000 people.

Decatur county is scary....small county but has the highest rate of confirmed cases/population as well as highest death rate/population....and the death rate is nearly triple any other Indiana county, including Marion County.

[RaceToTheTop 26,334]

Even scarier about Decatur County is the rate at which their covid tests turn out positive.  Most cities running at 20% or under.....in Decatur County, they've given 308 tests and 171 have been positive.  20 already died.

[Hovadipo 56,898]

3 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

I had heard of five, so it must have went up a couple since.

I had tickets for the Big Ten tournament on Thursday and Friday sessions.  Makes me think.

The article does say 5. I misremembered. 

[JSHoosier 20,478]

2 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

So you can't use a non scientific study (peer reviewed, controlled, etc.) to say "it works"  but you can use a non-scientific study to say "it doesn't work?"   

I guess these guys are wasting their time and money.   https://www.genengnews.com/news/novartis-plans-phase-iii-trial-of-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19/

The VA study isn't peer reviewed and that needs to be taken into consideration, but this is one of the larger studies we've seen in regards Hydroxychloroquine and Covid-19 (although still a small sample) and it reinforces what studies from other countries such as France and Sweden have shown; and some Swedish hospitals have stopped using it as a treatment.  You ignore that, conveniently.

It shows the need for further studying and proceeding with caution, instead of recklessly depleting the supply for label usage based on a hope and prayer or the word of a narcissist.

[Brass Cannon 24,913]

24 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

The VA study isn't peer reviewed and that needs to be taken into consideration, but this is one of the larger studies we've seen in regards Hydroxychloroquine and Covid-19 (although still a small sample) and it reinforces what studies from other countries such as France and Sweden have shown; and some Swedish hospitals have stopped using it as a treatment.  You ignore that, conveniently.

It shows the need for further studying and proceeding with caution, instead of recklessly depleting the supply for label usage based on a hope and prayer or the word of a narcissist.

I’m skeptical that studies that find a treatment don’t work get peer reviewed.  The purpose of peer review is to ensure that a successful trial is replicable. And that protocols were followed. 

[Demo 20,488]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Truly sucks.  Hoping it is just a bad cold or spring allergies.  Nothing but positive thoughts for you both.

Yeah, you know we’re living in a weird time when your praying your spouse has strep.

[JSHoosier 20,478]

15 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I’m skeptical that studies that find a treatment don’t work get peer reviewed.  The purpose of peer review is to ensure that a successful trial is replicable. And that protocols were followed. 

Ideally they would be, successful or not you can still ensure replicability and protocol.  Although if a study shows it nearly doubles the death rate, as the VA one does, I can see why there wouldn't be peer review. 

At very best though, whether Hyrdoxychloroquine works is a very cautious maybe.

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12 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Ideally they would be, successful or not you can still ensure replicability and protocol.  Although if a study shows it nearly doubles the death rate, as the VA one does, I can see why there wouldn't be peer review. 

At very best though, whether Hyrdoxychloroquine works is a very cautious maybe.

At a very cautious maybe, that makes it indistinguishable from other medical treatments.  The Brazil study on it was aborted altogether after 11 days because of the high rate of death of the patients taking it.

[JSHoosier 20,478]

10 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

At a very cautious maybe, that makes it indistinguishable from other medical treatments.  The Brazil study on it was aborted altogether after 11 days because of the high rate of death of the patients taking it.

Some of those other treatments are pretty hardcore antibiotics too; HCQ looks like it ranges from a very cautious maybe to twice as likely to die, based on these studies the downside outweighs possible benefit.

I knew Brazil had a study with similar results, I just didn't mention them.

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Speaking of Sweden they did not social distance if my memory is correct. If that is correct how are they doing and what do they do culturally that we don’t do?


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[Golfman25 5,772]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

The VA study isn't peer reviewed and that needs to be taken into consideration, but this is one of the larger studies we've seen in regards Hydroxychloroquine and Covid-19 (although still a small sample) and it reinforces what studies from other countries such as France and Sweden have shown; and some Swedish hospitals have stopped using it as a treatment.  You ignore that, conveniently.

It shows the need for further studying and proceeding with caution, instead of recklessly depleting the supply for label usage based on a hope and prayer or the word of a narcissist.

I was told we need a real scientific peer reviewed study.  Can’t have it both ways.  Novartis thinks there is enough to do the phase 3 study.  We’ll see what happens.