Coronavirus and Its Impact

[Class of '66 Old Fart 81,544]

2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

What is the hospital situation in Cass County?  The population of Indiana is 6,732,000 people and according to the Indiana coronavirus site there are 3,264 ICU beds in Indiana.  That would put Indiana at about 1 bed per 2,000 people.  At this rate, Cass would have about 15 ICU beds in the county.  Even assuming twice that amount, I would think that Cass is likely going to have to either have patients in counties outside of Cass or have a situation where there is a facility that temporarily handles an overflow.

Per the hospital's website, they only have a 6-bed ICU.  The American Hospital Directory indicates 44 staffed beds for the hospital.

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23 hours ago, Andowen1990IU said:

Wouldn't the world be easier if their were only two options to everything?

Yes and no.

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On 4/27/2020 at 10:07 PM, brumdog45 said:

Ohio's gradual reopening:

May 1st:  non-essential health care procedures opening, dental and veteranarian servies open (I have to believe that vets were open for drop off before and now it is now in person, but can't say for sure).

May 4th:  Manufacturing, construction, and distribution companies may reopen if they require face coverings, daily health assessments of employees are made, workplace is sanitized daily, job sites under limit capacity and social distancing is recommended.

May 4th:  Businesses in office settings are allowed to open;  if it is possible to work remotely, it is encouraged to do so.

May 12th:  Consumer and retail stores may open.  Employees and customers must wear facial covering.  Essential services that were allowed to stay open during the in shelter order must follow these requirements as well.

Businesses are to operate with 6 feet between all people -- employees and customers alike.  It not possible, barriers are to be installed.  

Stay at home order in terms of travels remains in effect except for essential purposes but will be modified to include accamodate travel to businesses as they open.  

Businesses still scheduled to reopen yet:

Restaurants and bars other than take out or drive through, gyms, day care, recreation center, playgrounds, theme parks, casinos, personal appearance and beauty businesses, sports arenas.

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This was what Ohio announced shortly for their reopening plan.  Holcomb has said he will be announcing our reopening plan on Friday.

Numbers wise, we are behind Oho.  Our death rate is twice theirs and our rates of cases is 80% higher.  We've had like 12 days where we have had over 600 confirmed cases and eight of those were in the last eight days.  

As a means of comparison, here are the case rates and death rates to date for midwest states (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin).

Confirmed cases per 1 million people:

1.  Michigan:  4,057

2.  Illinois:  3.927

3.  Indiana 2,589

4.  Ohio 1,486

5.  Wisconsin 1,128

6.  Minnesota 840

Deaths per 1 million people

1.  Michigan 369

2.  Illinois 173

3.  Indiana 160

4.  Ohio 80

5.  Minnesota 58

6.  Wisconsin 53

Positives:  Indiana has secured a decent supply of tests.  Negatives IMO:  the current numbers say to me the trend has not shown enough flattening to open on an Ohio type of timeline.  We'll have to see what Holcomb says on Friday, but it seemed like he was going to state that some businesses would be opening pretty much right away.  And you CAN NOT treat Cass County like the rest of the state when we have 1 in 30 people in Cass already having confirmed cases.

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2 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

This was what Ohio announced shortly for their reopening plan.  Holcomb has said he will be announcing our reopening plan on Friday.

Numbers wise, we are behind Oho.  Our death rate is twice theirs and our rates of cases is 80% higher.  We've had like 12 days where we have had over 600 confirmed cases and eight of those were in the last eight days.  

As a means of comparison, here are the case rates and death rates to date for midwest states (Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, Minnesota, and Wisconsin).

Confirmed cases per 1 million people:

1.  Michigan:  4,057

2.  Illinois:  3.927

3.  Indiana 2,589

4.  Ohio 1,486

5.  Wisconsin 1,128

6.  Minnesota 840

Deaths per 1 million people

1.  Michigan 369

2.  Illinois 173

3.  Indiana 160

4.  Ohio 80

5.  Minnesota 58

6.  Wisconsin 53

Positives:  Indiana has secured a decent supply of tests.  Negatives IMO:  the current numbers say to me the trend has not shown enough flattening to open on an Ohio type of timeline.  We'll have to see what Holcomb says on Friday, but it seemed like he was going to state that some businesses would be opening pretty much right away.  And you CAN NOT treat Cass County like the rest of the state when we have 1 in 30 people in Cass already having confirmed cases.

The number of confirmed cases is pretty meaningless, imo. 25-50% of people are asymptomatic. There are tens of thousands of unconfirmed cases in the state, and millions in the country. 

80% of ventilators and 44% of ICUs are available in Indiana. The number of beds, ventilators, and ICUs in use has been decreasing over the past couple weeks.

 

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you are correct that we are currently in a good position in terms of ICU beds and ventilators.  At this point there isn’t a danger of overcrowding hospitals (with the exception of Cass County).

But the goal isn’t just to keep the hospitals from being overcrowded.  If a person reaches the point of being put on a ventilator, the chances of dying are high. A study in the U.K. showed that about 2/3 of people who go to advanced breathing support died.  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.physiciansweekly.com/mortality-rate-of-covid-19-patients-on-ventilators/amp/

In terms of Indiana we have been seeing a pretty consistent number of daily tests being given over the past three weeks, so it’s not a case of more positive tests coming from a greater availability.  It is a little discouraging to see that out death rate basically mirrors Illinois which has such a big percentage of its citizens living in the Chicagoland area.
 

 

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This thread is getting to Moses Abraham proportions!

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1 hour ago, mamasa said:

This thread is getting to Moses Abraham proportions!

I wasn't around for that one, but I know it's gotten huge because it's far out distancing the Luke Brown thread.   lol

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This thread is getting to Moses Abraham proportions!

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There will never be an IU big man more overhyped than Moses Abraham.

Hanner Perea:  Emmitt, hold my beer.

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18 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

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The virtual candlelight vigil.  That was a definite low point.

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Holcomb announces that Indiana is set to have contact tracing in place by May 11 and will be using approximately 500 Indiana government employees to use to be making calls to those infected and those potentially infected through contact tracing.  Very good use of resources.

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When someone posts wildly inaccurate information on another board that isn't true, is it ok to use an article from Snopes that debunks everything that person said? 

 

Asking for a friend. 

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15 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

When someone posts wildly inaccurate information on another board that isn't true, is it ok to use an article from Snopes that debunks everything that person said? 

 

Asking for a friend. 

There ARE no other boards that matter. 
Unless of course it’s the UK board that discusses whether cousin marriage and brushing the shared single tooth of one’s all freshman roster helps prevent COVID. But personally? I am a fan of Snopes.

Edit: also worth currently noting is the Purdue rivals thread which starts with “I’m not saying Nojel Eastern is Dennis Rodman, but...”

and then proceeds to have many posters, including Nojel’s mom favorably compare him to Rodman. That matters too.

 

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55 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

When someone posts wildly inaccurate information on another board that isn't true, is it ok to use an article from Snopes that debunks everything that person said? 

 

Asking for a friend. 

Why don't you just post it?  Snope, don't snipe.

Asking for a friend.

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Ugh.  Another report -- this one from the published in the Journal of the American Medical Association -- studied 2,634 coronavirus whose outcomes were known and were treated in the Northwell Health system (covers 12 hospitals in NYC, Long Island and Westchester County).  Of those, 20% died (not a surprising number considering that these people would be ones who are basically symptomatic and required hospital treatment.  Of those who had to go on ventilators, 88% died.

Sadly, it seems that if you do progress to needing a ventilator, there is very little chance of survival.

https://people.com/health/most-coronavirus-patients-placed-on-ventilators-died/

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3 hours ago, brumdog45 said:

There will never be an IU big man more overhyped than Moses Abraham.

Hanner Perea:  Emmitt, hold my beer.

You need to add Mike White ("Kong") to that list.   He was going to "dominate."

Also receiving votes :  Tijan Jobe, Ben Allen, Guy-Marc Michele, Bawa Muniru, Marco Killingsworth, DeAndre Thomas, Cem Dinc, and of course.......Ivan Renko.

God, has any school in the country compiled a list that bad of failed and over-hyped big men?

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You need to add Mike White ("Kong") to that list.   He was going to "dominate."
Also receiving votes :  Tijan Jobe, Ben Allen, Guy-Marc Michele, Bawa Muniru, Marco Killingsworth, DeAndre Thomas, Cem Dinc, and of course.......Ivan Renko.
God, has any school in the country compiled a list that bad of failed and over-hyped big men?

You could throw in Peter Jurkin too lol


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4 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Sadly ol Snopes’ independence may not be what it once was.


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It's been out there for a while that Snopes has some biases and therefore some "facts" of its own.   I really have no idea where to go for "whole truth" anymore.   It sure as hell isn't anyplace in media.