Coronavirus and Its Impact

[Eagle’s Rug 263]

13 minutes ago, Aaron said:

As many as it would take to close a a nursing home, hospital or grocery store because of an outbreak. These are essential services and you cannot close them no matter what. 

I think re-opening the malls and all this other stuff is crazy and you want to minimize deaths but anything involving food you can't close unless you want famine and starvation pandemic which will kill more people. There is a reason nursing homes have not closed during the outbreak and their numbers are much higher and the same goes for a meat processing plant or anything else that requires getting food supply to people. 

Like Brass said if you want to bring in National Guard or some other employees to run essential services I am good with that but any essential service involved with food can't close for ANY circumstance, especially during this pandemic. 

10's of thousands of hogs are being killed because it is too expensive to feed them because of Covid-19.  Could the government pay farmers to keep them alive as "live stock" until we could reopen processing plants?

Interruption of supply, but not "broken"

Either way why are we killing livestock to throw away when people are struggling and plants are throwing away processed meat?

[Chips&Dipo 1,464]

2 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Over simply much?

Wouldn't the world be easier if their were only two options to everything?

[mdn82 25,546]

It's what they didn't do when they damn well new there would be a problem.  They had virus problems at plants in Iowa as early as April 4, and had to shut down.  They did nothing on a proactive basis in Logansport and pressured people to come into work who were clearly sick with the virus.  They're lucky I'm not in charge because they'd never re-open that damn plant.  
We have 1,146 Tyson employees confirmed positive with the virus out of roughly 1,850 tested.  For our hospital and size of our County, this is a legitimate crisis.

Thoughts and prayers out to families all over impacted by this.


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[Brass Cannon 24,927]

40 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

It’s not just as simple as replacing that may people as well.  Meat processing is an incredibly dangerous job.  Replace that many people at once with people who haven’t worked the job and it becomes all that much more dangerous.  The rate of production while being higher than zero if shut down is not going to anywhere close to what it was.

I’d bet you can find guard units that have people that have done the work. Plus there are units trained in food handling/procurement/distributionI worked with somebody that was in one 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,019]

52 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I think it was found that over 90% of the New York were those with underlying issues. If you’re healthy, you’re probably going to make it. If you have issues, it could be tough. But New York has seen far worse than any other state and it isn’t close.


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The last I saw, 1.8% of deaths in NY were in people under 65 without underlying conditions. There are always outliers with any virus, but if you're young and healthy you should be ok.

[BlueDevil 8,800]

I know there have been barriers (plexiglass) placed between workers in some plants and facial masks in place.  Unfortunately operating with the number of people they have been in a closed in space hasn’t helped.  But as was pointed out by Old Fart, these factories weren’t built for social distancing for means of production.  That part just is what it is.

It gets worse when you imagine all couple hundred employees parking in the same parking lot, walking in together through the same entrance, getting ready for work in the same locker area, and then ******* to ******* on a line


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[Eagle’s Rug 263]

36 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

 

It gets worse when you imagine all couple hundred employees parking in the same parking lot, walking in together through the same entrance, getting ready for work in the same locker area, and then ******* to ******* on a line


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For sure.  Add break/cafeteria, office, and bathroom areas to that list.

[BlueDevil 8,800]

For sure.  Add break/cafeteria, office, and bathroom areas to that list.

Can’t forget the hand to hand drug deals that go on there either


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[mamasa 15,396]

But that's not the same black eye mask you wore when you were in the movies!!    
The only thing we want to hear is that you test negative.

Negative! I kept telling them I felt like it was something else. The Dr was an IU fan- we bs’d for awhile about sports. He told me that based on my ability to talk w/o taking a pause, and my vitals that I was good to go! But I have a standing order for a test if I want it. I’ll be so glad to be done w all this!


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,828]

14 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Negative! I kept telling them I felt like it was something else. The Dr was an IU fan- we bs’d for awhile about sports. He told me that based on my ability to talk w/o taking a pause, and my vitals that I was good to go! But I have a standing order for a test if I want it. I’ll be so glad to be done w all this!

 

GREAT NEWS!

[HoosierAloha 30,077]

Negative! I kept telling them I felt like it was something else. The Dr was an IU fan- we bs’d for awhile about sports. He told me that based on my ability to talk w/o taking a pause, and my vitals that I was good to go! But I have a standing order for a test if I want it. I’ll be so glad to be done w all this!


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Awesome! Those Indiana allergies can be a beast too.


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[Eagle’s Rug 263]

14 hours ago, Aaron said:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-28/trump-says-he-s-issuing-order-for-tyson-s-unique-liability

I disagree with pretty much everything Trump has done but here I agree 100% with him. As I alluded to earlier in this thread you cannot close things that allow people to eat. I feel for these workers but unless we are closing hospitals, grocery stores, police etc. when a bunch of people test positive, a meat packing plant is every bit as important as these. People need to eat, especially admit the pandemic.

I feel for these workers, but unfortunately when you work in a service that sustains life you cannot close these things no matter how much Covid spreads there.  Remember I say this as a vegetarian.

Everyone stay safe and do your best to stay healthy. This is a lousy time.

This liability umbrella for businesses seems to already be in place, as a default position of the government.  Federal OSHA has no enforcement role in safety for workers during this time:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-delays-return-to-capitol-amid-uncertainty-over-next-round-of-coronavirus-stimulus-11588091849

"So far, OSHA has provided guidance outlining steps companies should take to shield workers during the outbreak, but the steps aren’t mandatory, and OSHA hasn’t been sending inspectors to most sites, opting instead to ask companies to do their own investigations when workers complain of lax standards."

Indiana OSHA offers no support for workers either:

https://www.in.gov/dol/3142.htm

"The Indiana Dept. of Labor has no legal authority to declare a workplace emergency or change employer policies regarding infectious diseases. Our guidance is based on guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), the United States Department of Labor, and Indiana's Wage and Hour laws."

Your safety is your responsibility at work.  Not your employer, not the local or federal government.

[RaceToTheTop 26,428]

The more I consider, the more the use of national guard in the meat processing plants makes sense.

1.  Younger workers much more capable of handling covid should they become infected.

2.  Hotel/barricks type of situation could help keep them quarantined in case of infection.

Take Cass County for example where there are now 1,125 cases with the vast majority stemming from the Tyson plant.  I am positive that they already are not going to be capable of handling the number of people that are going to need hospitalization -- for reference, they are at 299 confirmed cases per 10,000 people in the County;  that rate if four times higher than the next highest county in the state (Decatur) and over five times higher than Marion County.  As was mentioned by Old Fart, you are looking workers who are going home to families, often with a large number of people in the home.  Cass County is the definition of a hot spot in terms of cases/population.  IMO, if you are going to deem the Tyson plant in Cass County as essential enough to keep it open with the number of cases that it has produced, you have to quarantine the workers from the rest of the population during the pandemic unless we can find a way to stop it spreading so fast at these facilities.  And with a quarantined workforce, you can ramp up testing on that workforce to track the patterns.  Much harder to do with a workforce that is leaving and spreading it.

 

[BlueDevil 8,800]

The more I consider, the more the use of national guard in the meat processing plants makes sense.
1.  Younger workers much more capable of handling covid should they become infected.
2.  Hotel/barricks type of situation could help keep them quarantined in case of infection.
Take Cass County for example where there are now 1,125 cases with the vast majority stemming from the Tyson plant.  I am positive that they already are not going to be capable of handling the number of people that are going to need hospitalization -- for reference, they are at 299 confirmed cases per 10,000 people in the County;  that rate if four times higher than the next highest county in the state (Decatur) and over five times higher than Marion County.  As was mentioned by Old Fart, you are looking workers who are going home to families, often with a large number of people in the home.  Cass County is the definition of a hot spot in terms of cases/population.  IMO, if you are going to deem the Tyson plant in Cass County as essential enough to keep it open with the number of cases that it has produced, you have to quarantine the workers from the rest of the population during the pandemic unless we can find a way to stop it spreading so fast at these facilities.  And with a quarantined workforce, you can ramp up testing on that workforce to track the patterns.  Much harder to do with a workforce that is leaving and spreading it.
 

I heard today there are currently 10 patients hospitalized


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[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,828]

31 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

 

I heard today there are currently 10 patients hospitalized

 

Surprised that few given the number of positive tests.  We are reporting 2 additional COVID-19 related deaths.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 85,828]

Jon Rothstein -

Sources: Several power conference programs are putting stipulations in guarantee games for next season that if no fans are in attendance, the mid-major school will only receive travel costs and not the normal guarantee. Another effect of the coronavirus.

[Brass Cannon 24,927]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Jon Rothstein -

Sources: Several power conference programs are putting stipulations in guarantee games for next season that if no fans are in attendance, the mid-major school will only receive travel costs and not the normal guarantee. Another effect of the coronavirus.

Might cause these programs to fold. Not thinking long term. They fold you can’t beat up on them years after. 

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43 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

 

I heard today there are currently 10 patients hospitalized


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It is going to be something to keep watching for sure.  I know that previously Cass County only had one death in the county and that was on April 7th.  Two more died yesterday in Cass County according to the Indiana coronavirus map.  There certainly are going to be more hospitalizations and deaths in the coming days/weeks in Cass.  Hopefully they end on the lower end of projections and not the higher.

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50 minutes ago, BlueDevil said:

 

I heard today there are currently 10 patients hospitalized


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What is the hospital situation in Cass County?  The population of Indiana is 6,732,000 people and according to the Indiana coronavirus site there are 3,264 ICU beds in Indiana.  That would put Indiana at about 1 bed per 2,000 people.  At this rate, Cass would have about 15 ICU beds in the county.  Even assuming twice that amount, I would think that Cass is likely going to have to either have patients in counties outside of Cass or have a situation where there is a facility that temporarily handles an overflow.

[BlueDevil 8,800]

What is the hospital situation in Cass County?  The population of Indiana is 6,732,000 people and according to the Indiana coronavirus site there are 3,264 ICU beds in Indiana.  That would put Indiana at about 1 bed per 2,000 people.  At this rate, Cass would have about 15 ICU beds in the county.  Even assuming twice that amount, I would think that Cass is likely going to have to either have patients in counties outside of Cass or have a situation where there is a facility that temporarily handles an overflow.

Not sure. Some of the 10 have been transported out of county. Nearly half of the Tyson positive results were currently (at the time) asymptomatic.


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