Bracketology and Team Resumes

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

USPS -- am I correct in thinking that if you are on a team that is on the right side of the bubble (i.e., 8/9/10 seed), that if two teams are on the bubble are playing each other that the best result for you is to have the home team win?  I.e., West Virginia at Kansas State and Virginia at Virginia Tech (bracketville has those four teams from 5th out to 14th out), I thought that wins by Kansas State and Virginia Tech were good for those teams that are currently on the "right" side of the bubble.

Probably.  Road wins would be looked at better and that team would possibly move up more.  When it comes to the bubble more teams will play themselves out of the tournament then those that play themselves into it.   

[RaceToTheTop]

25 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Probably.  Road wins would be looked at better and that team would possibly move up more.  When it comes to the bubble more teams will play themselves out of the tournament then those that play themselves into it.   

That's what I've been observing.  It's kind of news when a team plays themselves into it.  Virginia and Va Tech had both been playing themselves into the conversation, but because they leave such a small margin of error, those kind of teams play each other and one ends up ending the other's run..

[hoopsta007]

Any chance we will add an extra game this weekend to boost our record?

[Uspshoosier]

IU really wanting to make this interesting down the stretch.    Not looking forward to watching the second half of the Wisky game but what are you going to do.   
 

IU’s team last year vs IU’s team this year 

 

[HoosierAloha]

31 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU really wanting to make this interesting down the stretch.    Not looking forward to watching the second half of the Wisky game but what are you going to do.   
 

IU’s team last year vs IU’s team this year 

 

I lOVE a good gif and this one fits perfectly. Well done, USPS, well done.

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, hoopsta007 said:

Any chance we will add an extra game this weekend to boost our record?

If it was me I would do everything possible to schedule a Q1 or Q2 game.   If you schedule one you better win it.  My guess is they will take their chances with the remaining schedule 

[TheWatShot]

I had a bad feeling back in December that the cancelled game would come back to haunt us in some way...well, here we are. 

 

I don't think our athletic department wants to deal with an extra game if it doesn't have to. 

[vemmeistars]

An extra non Q1/Q2 game doesn't add value. Hopefully, IU takes advantage of the quick turnaround for OSU Monday. If not, they have to beat Rutgers/Maryland at home, Minnesota on the road, and the first game of the BTT to have a realistic chance of getting in. Even then, they'd be far from a lock.

Edited February 16, 2022 by vemmeistars

[Uspshoosier]

1 hour ago, vemmeistars said:

An extra non Q1/Q2 game doesn't add value. Hopefully, IU takes advantage of the quick turnaround OSU Monday. If not, they have to beat Rutgers/Maryland at home, Minnesota on the road, and the first game of the BTT to have a realistic chance of getting in. Even then, they'd be far from a lock.

Depends on who the win would be against in the BTT.   If it’s a win against a non Nebraska team then winning those 3 games and a BTT game would lock them in depending on how the bubble looks at that time.   They definitely made this last 3 weeks a lot harder then it had to be 

[vemmeistars]

I'm guessing IU ends up in the 7/10 or 8/9 game, so they would probably end up playing one of: Penn State, Northwestern, Iowa, Rutgers, or Michigan. And if they needed another win, they'd probably be out of luck having to face Illinois or Purdue.

Edited February 16, 2022 by vemmeistars

[NashvilleHoosier]

2 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I had a bad feeling back in December that the cancelled game would come back to haunt us in some way...well, here we are. 

 

I don't think our athletic department wants to deal with an extra game if it doesn't have to. 

It would be a quad 4 win though. That wouldn't move the needle at all. We certainly wouldn't be an any better position toward the tournament having another quad 4 win. 

[Uspshoosier]

2 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

It would be a quad 4 win though. That wouldn't move the needle at all. We certainly wouldn't be an any better position toward the tournament having another quad 4 win. 

Would of been an extra win to keep 4 games above .500 just in case they started losing.    In a normal year teams want to stay 4 games above .500 to receive an at-large.    Not many examples of teams getting one below that.   Handful of teams over the years.   Sparty did it last year but the season was shortened.    Georgia is the famous one that played a ridiculous SOS and got in with a 16-14 record.  

[HoosierAloha]

2 hours ago, TheWatShot said:

I had a bad feeling back in December that the cancelled game would come back to haunt us in some way...well, here we are. 

 

I don't think our athletic department wants to deal with an extra game if it doesn't have to. 

 

5 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

It would be a quad 4 win though. That wouldn't move the needle at all. We certainly wouldn't be an any better position toward the tournament having another quad 4 win. 

I had a bad feeling about that PSU game. They showed up to fight and we showed up to get a nap in the mausoleum.

[NashvilleHoosier]

22 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Would of been an extra win to keep 4 games above .500 just in case they started losing.    In a normal year teams want to stay 4 games above .500 to receive an at-large.    Not many examples of teams getting one below that.   Handful of teams over the years.   Sparty did it last year but the season was shortened.    Georgia is the famous one that played a ridiculous SOS and got in with a 16-14 record.  

Ah, yeah. I keep forgetting about that 4 games over .500 thing actually being something that tends to matter. Boy I'm really looking forward to days where we don't always put ourselves in the position for something like an extra quad 4 win to actually help us come Selection Sunday. Maybe someday...

[TheWatShot]

3 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

 Georgia is the famous one that played a ridiculous SOS and got in with a 16-14 record.  

When was that? I remember them winning the SEC tournament after going 4-12 in conference where they had to win 4 games in 3 days after a tornado damaged the Georgia Dome. Did they really get an at-large another year at 16-14?

[Uspshoosier]

3 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

When was that? I remember them winning the SEC tournament after going 4-12 in conference where they had to win 4 games in 3 days after a tornado damaged the Georgia Dome. Did they really get an at-large another year at 16-14?

2001.     27-30 games were played in what today would be considered Q1 and Q2.   

[TheWatShot]

7 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

2001.     27-30 games were played in what today would be considered Q1 and Q2.   

The early-2000's were just a different era in basketball. Our 01-02 team had a ridiculous non-conference schedule. At Charlotte, at Southern Illinois, at UNC, at Miami, 3 games in Alaska, UK in Indy, Notre Dame and a ranked Ball State at home. No one would ever schedule like that today. 

[Uspshoosier]

44 minutes ago, TheWatShot said:

The early-2000's were just a different era in basketball. Our 01-02 team had a ridiculous non-conference schedule. At Charlotte, at Southern Illinois, at UNC, at Miami, 3 games in Alaska, UK in Indy, Notre Dame and a ranked Ball State at home. No one would ever schedule like that today. 

Can’t remember which year but the non  Conference schedule cost them during one of Davis year.    They finished tied for 4th in the B1G but had a terrible non conference 

[RaceToTheTop]

My own irrelevent system had a new team enter the bracket for the first time as IU fell out in mine:  Kansas State.  I have nine teams being closer to Kansas State than Kansas State is to the next to last team in the tournament.  I think the bubble is weak....but because it's weak, it's big.

Current seeds and their plus/minus over minimum:

1 seeds:  Auburn (+7.98), Baylor (+7.86), Kansas (+7.52), Arizona (+6.51)

2 seeds: Wisconsin (+6.22), Purdue (+6.14), Villanova (+5.75), Providence (+5.69)

3 seeds:  Tennessee (+5.28), Kentucky (+5.25), Duke (+5.14), Illinois (+4.21)

4 seeds:  Gonzaga (+4.1), Texas Tech (+4.04), Colorado State (+3.83), UCLA (+3.83)

5 seeds:  Texas (+3.56), Michigan State (+3.48), Wyoming (+3.45), USC (+3.45)

6 seeds:  Alabama (+3.32), LSU (+3.29), Ohio State (+3.19), Houston (+2.94)

7 seeds: Arkansas (+2.76), Murray State (+2.75), St. Mary's (+2.62), Xavier (+2.51)

8 seeds: UNC (+2.28), Davidson (+2.25), Boise State (+2.16), Miami (F) (+2.1)

9 seeds:  Marquette (+2.1), Notre Dame (+2.02), U Conn (+1.91), Loyola (+1.91)

10 seeds:  Iowa State (+1.88), San Francisco (+1.82), Wake Forest (+1.51), TCU (+1.5)

11 seeds:  Seton Hall (+1.45), New Mexico State (+1.3), BYU (+1.23), SMU (+1.22)

12 seeds:  Creighton (+1.17), San Diego State (+1.17), Iowa (+0.99), VCU (+0.94), Belmont (+0.90), Kansas State (+0.31).

Next fifteen teams:

Michigan (+0.28), Memphis (+0.21), South Carolina (+0.13), West Virginia (+0.09), Oregon (+0.07), Colorado (+0.07), St. Bonaventure (0), Stanford (-0.03), Indiana (-0.08), Oklahoma (-0.43), Rutgers (-0.44), UAB (-0.59), Florida (-0.61), Virginia (-0.78), Toledo (-0.94).

FWIW, IU winning 3 of the last 5 games would project them to be at +.55.

[RaceToTheTop]

Bracketville has IU at #37, first 10 seed.