Bracketology and Team Resumes

[IUc2016 7,121]

1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Syracuse loss hurt us IMO. Just because our non conference schedule is so weak. Gonna hurt come seeding time. Especially if we are on the bubble, which I expect we will be. 

I think Syracuse could end up being a quad 1 loss in the end and won't hurt too much. But yes, IU's overall SOS will be down this year since they have have a weak non con and their Big Ten schedule appears to be favorable. 

But since they are in the big ten they just have to win games and none of it will matter, just like any other year. 

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4 minutes ago, IUc2016 said:

I think Syracuse could end up being a quad 1 loss in the end and won't hurt too much. But yes, IU's overall SOS will be down this year since they have have a weak non con and their Big Ten schedule appears to be favorable. 

But since they are in the big ten they just have to win games and none of it will matter, just like any other year. 

I fully expect Cuse to end up a Q1 loss.   Being 56th without having a top 100 net win tells me that the net algorithm is going to like IU     Sounds easy but they just have to win games in the B1G.   As long as the non conference SOS stays away from 300 or lower going .500 in the B1G would probably get them in comfortably.  Having Minny, Iowa and others already high in the NET will help out also.   Just have to avoid some land mines at home penn st, Rutgers and I expect Maryland to figure it out and end up better then 155.  Long way to go but glad I got some numbers to look at for now 

[IUc2016 7,121]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

I fully expect Cuse to end up a Q1 loss.   Being 56th without having a top 100 net win tells me that the net algorithm is going to like IU     Sounds easy but they just have to win games in the B1G.   As long as the non conference SOS stays away from 300 or lower going .500 in the B1G would probably get them in comfortably.  Having Minny, Iowa and others already high in the NET will help out also.   Just have to avoid some land mines at home penn st, Rutgers and I expect Maryland to figure it out and end up better then 155.  Long way to go but glad I got some numbers to look at for now 

Yeah I am happy to have the numbers to look at for sure. They really don't mean much right now and would probably make more sense to wait until after the new year but still fun nonetheless

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1 hour ago, IUc2016 said:

IU's best win to date is St. John's (108). Good for a quad 3 win.

IU is 0-1 in quad 2 and has yet to play a quad 1. 

We are ahead of Michigan!!! This has Minny finishing ahead of Illinois, Mich and IU in the conference. Hmm. 

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[Uspshoosier 45,687]

IU moved up 6 spots to 43rd in the NET after yesterday’s game.   I’ve talked about it before destroying teams that you should beat makes your efficiency numbers go through the roof.  Other teams have taken advantage of this in the years past and it looks like IU can this year.   IU is 43rd with no wins over the Net top 50.   I’ve listen to coaches and ex coaches on podcast talk about it.   Some teams will keep their starters in longer in a blowout just to keep the efficiency numbers up.   Until that changes IU and every other team should run up the score any chance they get 

[HoosierHoopster 6,983]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

IU moved up 6 spots to 43rd in the NET after yesterday’s game.   I’ve talked about it before destroying teams that you should beat makes your efficiency numbers go through the roof.  Other teams have taken advantage of this in the years past and it looks like IU can this year.   IU is 43rd with no wins over the Net top 50.   I’ve listen to coaches and ex coaches on podcast talk about it.   Some teams will keep their starters in longer in a blowout just to keep the efficiency numbers up.   Until that changes IU and every other team should run up the score any chance they get 

The sucky thing here is that is in conflict with developing guys on the bench. 

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2 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

The sucky thing here is that is in conflict with developing guys on the bench. 

I think you can do both -- keep the efficiency up and develop guys -- by playing a healthy mix of starters of bench players together.  Efficiency tends to really take a hit when you play the bench all together.

[NashvilleHoosier 3,712]

We will end the non conference with our 2 best wins being quad 3 wins. Hopefully ND and St. John’s get it together and become quad 2 wins but both are far from it right now. I still don’t see a tournament team.

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3 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

We will end the non conference with our 2 best wins being quad 3 wins. Hopefully ND and St. John’s get it together and become quad 2 wins but both are far from it right now. I still don’t see a tournament team.

St. John’s was 9 spots away from Q2 going into today.  They lost a bad one without their best player today so they will fall but they play in the Big East where all their teams are in the top 100.  That means any game St Johns wins in the Big East improve their NET. also means no bad losses for them in the Big East.  Unless the Jonnies completely fold up they should end up a Q2.  Notre Dame probably can’t make it to Q2 because the ACC is down.  They will have to pick off Duke and North Carolina.  The one to watch will be Marshall.  Conference USA has some teams ahead of them in the NET and are all in the top 100.   If Marshall wins some of those games and avoids bad losses they could move up to a Q2.   B1G is loaded with top 100 teams so they will make or miss the tourney on how they do in the league.  

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9 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

St. John’s was 9 spots away from Q2 going into today.  They lost a bad one without their best player today so they will fall but they play in the Big East where all their teams are in the top 100.  That means any game St Johns wins in the Big East improve their NET. also means no bad losses for them in the Big East.  Unless the Jonnies completely fold up they should end up a Q2.  Notre Dame probably can’t make it to Q2 because the ACC is down.  They will have to pick off Duke and North Carolina.  The one to watch will be Marshall.  Conference USA has some teams ahead of them in the NET and are all in the top 100.   If Marshall wins some of those games and avoids bad losses they could move up to a Q2.   B1G is loaded with top 100 teams so they will make or miss the tourney on how they do in the league.  

Ah you’re right. St. John’s is closer to quad 2 than I thought. But even if they get there it seems we’ll have to get very lucky for our OOC resume to have more than 1 single quad 2 win. I agree we have plenty of opportunities to build that resume in conference. I just still have a hard time seeing more than 19-20 total wins and really don’t think that includes enough quad 1/2 wins to do it. However, I absolutely welcome you telling me I’m wrong all the way through selection Sunday. 

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10 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Ah you’re right. St. John’s is closer to quad 2 than I thought. But even if they get there it seems we’ll have to get very lucky for our OOC resume to have more than 1 single quad 2 win. I agree we have plenty of opportunities to build that resume in conference. I just still have a hard time seeing more than 19-20 total wins and really don’t think that includes enough quad 1/2 wins to do it. However, I absolutely welcome you telling me I’m wrong all the way through selection Sunday. 

So you’re saying you’re a glass half full guy?

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10 minutes ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Ah you’re right. St. John’s is closer to quad 2 than I thought. But even if they get there it seems we’ll have to get very lucky for our OOC resume to have more than 1 single quad 2 win. I agree we have plenty of opportunities to build that resume in conference. I just still have a hard time seeing more than 19-20 total wins and really don’t think that includes enough quad 1/2 wins to do it. However, I absolutely welcome you telling me I’m wrong all the way through selection Sunday. 

They have 14 Q1 and Q2 games as of today in conference left to play and that number could go up.  Win your homes and steal some on the road and they will be fine.    If you like I can post some resumes from years past of  teams that made the tourney with not so good resumes.   The thing is you have to come up with 36 at-large bids.   They are definitely one of the best 36 at large teams as of today.  

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4 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

So you’re saying you’re a glass half full guy?

Hah…with most everything in life? Yes. With sports? Nope.

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2 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

They have 14 Q1 and Q2 games as of today in conference left to play and that number could go up.  Win your homes and steal some on the road and they will be fine.    If you like I can post some resumes from years past of  teams that made the tourney with not so good resumes.   The thing is you have to come up with 36 at-large bids.   They are definitely one of the best 36 at large teams as of today.  

Oh you certainly don’t have to do that for me. You’ve proven your worth in terms of resume knowledge so I believe you. I’ll continue being skeptical until we start banking some of those quad 1/2 wins.

[Uspshoosier 45,687]

Regardless of where Notre Dame ends up in the NET todays games served as a win away from home which is very important come March.  

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1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Regardless of where Notre Dame ends up in the NET todays games served as a win away from home which is very important come March.  

Yep.  With only two road/neutral game opportunities on our schedule pre-conference -- Syracuse and Notre Dame -- we simply don't give ourselves many opportunities.  There is something to be said for playing in a early tournament on a non-conference eight team tourney because it gives you three shots at a non-conference neutral win/wins.

[LIHoosier 26,205]

14 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Regardless of where Notre Dame ends up in the NET todays games served as a win away from home which is very important come March.  

ND jumped up 13 spots in the NET losing to IU. Unless they're hot garbage in the ACC, just playing their schedule out will get them into the top 100.

[Uspshoosier 45,687]

Providence has a really strong resume early on 

4 Q1 wins with 2 of those on the road at NET top 30 teams 

[Rico 3,055]

18 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Providence has a really strong resume early on 

4 Q1 wins with 2 of those on the road at NET top 30 teams 

I like Ed Cooley.