Fire or ‘Way to Go!’ Tom Allen?

[Aeggie]

3 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

I would be very surprised if Nebraska has a packed house when IU goes there. anyone know what type of fan base IU has in Nebraska?


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I believe Nebraska has the record for most consecutive sellouts and it's ongoing. It'll be sold out. 

[mamasa]

I believe Nebraska has the record for most consecutive sellouts and it's ongoing. It'll be sold out. 

You’re correct!

Number of games: 368
Streak duration: 1962-present


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[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

I believe Nebraska has the record for most consecutive sellouts and it's ongoing. It'll be sold out. 

Yea but that gets skewed a lot in the college game. I remember Indiana having “sellouts” back in Creans first 3 years but the true attendance definitely wasn’t matching that.


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[mamasa]

1 hour ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Yea but that gets skewed a lot in the college game. I remember Indiana having “sellouts” back in Creans first 3 years but the true attendance definitely wasn’t matching that.


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It's really ok to be wrong

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

It's not like that at Nebraska. Everybody claims to have "great fans" but it's actually true for Nebraska football.  
They really do sell out, even when their team sucks (although tickets are much easier to get.) I should be among the 90,000 next week! 
I agree it will be a tough game for IU just because it's IU football, but having watched Nebraska several times, I believe IU is better in every phase of the game. If Neb QB Martinez is still out (he got hurt vs NW and didn't play last week at Minnesota) then IU definitely should win. 

Well that’s good for them. Guess there isn’t much else to do in Nebraska. I have a friend who lives in Nebraska and is a big Husker fan. They were hoping this season they’d be back in the fold of the Top 30. I think it is going to take Frost a few years to get what he needs. He’s proven he can win and coach. The B1G West is pretty wide open as well outside of Wisconsin. But Indiana should still win that game. They are the better team even with Nebraska getting home field advantage. Just depends on whether or not the team takes it seriously and is ready to take care of business.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Well that’s good for them. Guess there isn’t much else to do in Nebraska. I have a friend who lives in Nebraska and is a big Husker fan. They were hoping this season they’d be back in the fold of the Top 30. I think it is going to take Frost a few years to get what he needs. He’s proven he can win and coach. The B1G West is pretty wide open as well outside of Wisconsin. But Indiana should still win that game. They are the better team even with Nebraska getting home field advantage. Just depends on whether or not the team takes it seriously and is ready to take care of business.


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Because there’s so much more Indiana has to offer. Nebraska football is definitely much more of a religion there, similar to IU basketball. Hence why we still constantly show out despite team performance.


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[Lebowski]

Yeah I've spent a lot of time in Lincoln for work.  Make not mistake, they love their football like Btown loves their basketball.  Maybe even more.  While working in Lincoln, multiple times I've been asked to stick around a Saturday during football season.  The game day bus system they've got setup to bring in the folks parked away from Memorial Stadium (parking is a bear) is down to a science.  The fan base is the real deal.  It's quite impressive.  Nebraska folk don't mess around with their football and that's part of the reason I don't really have IU winning this game.  But like I said earlier, I'll gladly eat crow.  

[Lebowski]

20 hours ago, Hardwood83 said:

Fortunately we're not competing against the fans commitment! I think Frost will get it figured out there-  but they need a culture change from the Mike Riley era debacle and are very beatable right now.  

The comparison of NU football to IU basketball is spot on too. 

I hear ya.  I hope the Hoosiers don't get overwhelmed of the atmosphere.  If they don't and play solid football from top to bottom they have a really good shot at pulling the upset.  But a lot has to go right for them.  Regardless, that's next week.  This week is Maryland.  

[Bobman1]

I hear ya.  I hope the Hoosiers don't get overwhelmed of the atmosphere.  If they don't and play solid football from top to bottom they have a really good shot at pulling the upset.  But a lot has to go right for them.  Regardless, that's next week.  This week is Maryland.  

The full blown IU football optimist in me has to point out that the Hoosiers are set to be favored in that contest and it’d be an upset if the Huskers were to win.


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[Lebowski]

1 minute ago, Bobman1 said:

The full blown IU football optimist in me has to point out that the Hoosiers are set to be favored in that contest and it’d be an upset if the Huskers were to win.


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You're correct.  As far as rankings and poop like that.  I said that because I think ESPN has the Cornhuskers as favorites at the moment.   Albeit marginal and slightly favored.  But the Hoosiers have to beat Maryland first. 

[Lebowski]

Okay folks, the week has come to see if our beloved and favored (unreal) Hoosiers can walk into Lincoln and stay the course.  Truly hope Penix is able to play.  He adds another dimension to the offense.   

[JHoosier914]

You're correct.  As far as rankings and poop like that.  I said that because I think ESPN has the Cornhuskers as favorites at the moment.   Albeit marginal and slightly favored.  But the Hoosiers have to beat Maryland first. 

I haven’t seen a line yet(Oddsshark doesn’t have one yet as far as I can tell), but ESPN Matchup Predictor gives us a 52.3% chance to win.


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[Lebowski]

Just now, JHoosier914 said:

I haven’t seen a line yet(Oddsshark doesn’t have one yet as far as I can tell), but ESPN Matchup Predictor gives us a 52.3% chance to win.


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Yep.  When I posted that Nebraska was at like 50.something and the Hoosiers were 49.something.  Now that our Hoosiers beat the Terps things have changed.  And I like it!  Gonna be a tough road game.  Hope they can pull it off.

[JHoosier914]

Yep.  When I posted that Nebraska was at like 50.something and the Hoosiers were 49.something.  Now that our Hoosiers beat the Terps things have changed.  And I like it!  Gonna be a tough road game.  Hope they can pull it off.

I’m confident. If Penix plays, even more so.


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[Lebowski]

1 minute ago, JHoosier914 said:

I’m confident. If Penix plays, even more so.


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[Lebowski]

Looks like the Cornhuskers are now favored. 

[Aaron]

I am not advocating a position on Allen but does anyone think his obsession with red shirts has hurt us with a few guys?  

First example is obviously Penix. He was so content on getting him a red shirted last year he didn't play clearly the better QB. What could be ironic here is if Penix stays healthy he could be in pro's after his junior year and this red shirt was never needed.

Example two is Matthew Bedford the new offensive tackle. He is clearly our best lineman already even as a freshman replacing Cronk and line is a lot better recently. One wonders if the O-line would of been stronger from beginning if Bedford had taken one of the tackle positions opposite Cronk to start the year rather than Caleb Jones. 

Example three is Tiwan Mullen. While he was never red shirted he is clearly our best corner already and Allen has been working him in slower then he should over the year in favor of veterans.  

I can't help but wonder how many other better freshman are on bench because of Allen's obsession with red shirts and working freshman in slowly. Obviously if this is case we will see these guys next couple years and it will be fine. However, one cannot help but wonder if Allen had played some of his top freshman already rather then work them in slowly if we may have been to a couple bowl games given the the end of the Wilson era having inferior talent to the last couple recruiting classes.     

[LIHoosier]

Looks like the Cornhuskers are now favored. 

That's probably cuz there's a good feeling that Nebraska's starting QB is going to play though not official yet.

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[lucel15]

2 hours ago, Aaron said:

I am not advocating a position on Allen but does anyone think his obsession with red shirts has hurt us with a few guys?  

First example is obviously Penix. He was so content on getting him a red shirted last year he didn't play clearly the better QB. What could be ironic here is if Penix stays healthy he could be in pro's after his junior year and this red shirt was never needed.

Example two is Matthew Bedford the new offensive tackle. He is clearly our best lineman already even as a freshman replacing Cronk and line is a lot better recently. One wonders if the O-line would of been stronger from beginning if Bedford had taken one of the tackle positions opposite Cronk to start the year rather than Caleb Jones. 

Example three is Tiwan Mullen. While he was never red shirted he is clearly our best corner already and Allen has been working him in slower then he should over the year in favor of veterans.  

I can't help but wonder how many other better freshman are on bench because of Allen's obsession with red shirts and working freshman in slowly. Obviously if this is case we will see these guys next couple years and it will be fine. However, one cannot help but wonder if Allen had played some of his top freshman already rather then work them in slowly if we may have been to a couple bowl games given the the end of the Wilson era having inferior talent to the last couple recruiting classes.     

What obsession? Everyone has to evaluate how to use red shirts? You have an idea of who will use one. Who is not and who is in between 4 games less or more. Not just allen, especially when you aren’t getting blue blood recruits. You ease most freshmen unless they are leaps and bounds above other players On the roster see Stevie Scott after last year and after that first game....the game speed is completely different not to mention majority of your freshman are getting to campus later unless they are a early enrollee. More schools have switched to a year round schedule which means they are enrolling later in the summer and getting to campus mid June. They need to learn the playbook and actually practice what is being taught. Allen has acknowledged this point on a lot of freshmen when asked about their playing time. He’s also said if you’re good enough and consistent enough you will play and not red shirt. Not to mention with the new red shirt rule, you can play them early against trash opponents which we have done with several this year....or you save them and get them in against bigger opponents for example James Miller against Michigan and he was able to still red shirt while getting in a valuable game and still having 5 years to develop instead of just 4 . Jones has had a stellar year at right tackle. They also weren’t going to throw Bedford in to the blindside tackle position opposite to cronk. Everyone’s known the potential in Bedford. He’s going to be a star. As for our DLine frosh. Sio has been amazing at clogging holes (won’t redshirt). The other DLine (I won’t count DMAC in here because he’s played juco at least) are adjusting to new positions, and aren’t strong enough or physical enough to get meaningful time. DK bonnohomme will not redshirt he’s been on every special teams coverage play since day one. He’s just not ready and buried on depth at LB. that role is still coming to him. Same to the athletic Cam Williams from what’s been said is that it’s a learning curve still for him and many other players that will redshirt. To Tiwan, he’s started the last 2 games at CB. So he’s no longer getting worked in. You don’t know how he’s going to play really against larger WRs. Most practices you aren’t going full boar. He showed up and showed out in MSU and he’s taken the starting role. 
 

the 2018 class had 28 commits 2 are not longer on the team. out of that 28. You had 10 kids play and not red shirt .redshirted kids you saw them play, but why waste a year of eligibility and development when they are buried on depth chart, most of those kids were OL, DL and WRs. Two dline guys were adjusting from DE to interior techniques...which is a major change in roles, OL kids just weren’t ready to play. Madison Norris has all the talent and speed in the world but until he adds weight and isn’t a 195-200lb DE he won’t get meaningful minutes his FR year so take time let him develop and focus on getting bigger. From that class the talented players that didn’t need redshirted were

Reese Taylor

Cam Jones 

James Head

Stevie Scott

Jamar Johnson

Jaylin Williams

Devon Matthews 

Micah McFadden 

Matt Bjorson 

Ronnie Walker 

 

from this 2019 class 22 sign schollies 

you have 7 right now that look like will not red shirt and they are 

Mullen 

Ellis

James

DK

Sio

Bedford

Wracher (talented long snapper)

you have 3 DL who are transitioned into new positions from the class.... 2 DBs buried on depth yet they have talent and speed, but the college transition is coming slower to them. A WR who showed up late to camp who played QB in hs. 
 

it’s not an obsession with saving redshirts it’s a smart thing to do when you don’t need to play everyone you sign and are creating depth. If they are leaps and bounds they will start ASAP if they have potential and are still adjusting to game speed you ease them in. I’ve never once really heard allen say we plan on redshirting everyone if we can....he’s said quite the opposite....if you’re good enough, play consistent enough, and know what you’re doing you will play. 

[Lebowski]

3 hours ago, LIHoosier said:

That's probably cuz there's a good feeling that Nebraska's starting QB is going to play though not official yet.

I was thinking the same.

2 hours ago, Fkfootball1 said:

Money pouring in for Nebraska because of “who” they are playing. Most of the country thinks Indiana is a joke in CFB. For good reason.

 

 

Maybe.  Hopefully our beloved Hoosiers can make some noise.  

 

As for the redshirt situation, I could be wrong here but I thought Penix got injured last year before hitting that 4 game threshold thus making it an easy decision to redshirt him?

And prior to season start I recall him always harping on competing for a spot and how that was a good thing within the program.  So I'm not so sure he's redshirting folks just to work them in slowly.