The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[Uspshoosier]

Did they look prepared to play at the beginnings of games to you?

Depended on the game. I’ve haven’t watched a team yet in college basketball that looked prepared to play at the beginning of every game played in a season. Hall of Fame coaches better then Archie had teams this year that looked unprepared.


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[Josh]

1 minute ago, Uspshoosier said:

Depended on the game. I’ve haven’t watched a team yet in college basketball that looked prepared to play at the beginning of every game played in a season. Hall of Fame coaches better then Archie had teams this year that looked unprepared.


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Ok.  But this team.  Did they look prepared to play at the beginnings of the games this season?  They certainly did not to me as they fell into a massive hole to start most every game.  I really don't even think that's debatable.  They were atrocious at the beginnings of games and it killed our season.

[Uspshoosier]

Ok.  But this team.  Did they look prepared to play at the beginnings of the games this season?  They certainly did not to me as they fell into a massive hole to start most every game.  I really don't even think that's debatable.  They were atrocious at the beginnings of games and it killed our season.

Yes they looked unprepared in games this year, just like Duke looked unprepared in games this year. Duke fell behind in lots of games this year. Only difference was their talent overcame their slow starts and they would eventually take control. IU margin of error was smaller and they were not able to overcome their slow starts in some games. Is it something I hope gets fixed next year? absolutely. IU and Archie are not the only team and coach that has to deal with slow starts is all I’m saying. I watched it all year for lots of teams and coaches


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[Aeggie]

1 hour ago, Brass Cannon said:

We gelled well enough to start the season 12-2 and finish it 6-2. But yeah the team wasn’t gelled for the 1-12 stretch. 

De'ron came back during that 6-2 stretch, which also included Devonte being back from suspension. But sure injuries and absences don't mean anything.

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, Aeggie said:

De'ron came back during that 6-2 stretch, which also included Devonte being back from suspension. But sure injuries and absences don't mean anything.

Deron played 9 games of that 13 game stretch and Devonte played 10. And primarily the games they missed were in the smack dab middle. 

But hey don’t let facts get in the way 

[BGVille Hoosierfan]

Ohio State just got a commit from big man Ibrahim Diallo...gotta think they aren’t pursuing Joey Brunk anymore. I’d expect an announcement of Brunk to IU very soon.


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[Brass Cannon]

Just now, jbell833 said:

Ohio State just got a commit from big man Ibrahim Diallo...gotta think they aren’t pursuing Joey Brunk anymore. I’d expect an announcement of Brunk to IU very soon.


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I don’t get this thinking. Kid is a project Brunk would be expected to contribute right away. 

[8bucks]

I don’t get this thinking. Kid is a project Brunk would be expected to contribute right away. 

True assuming the first choice was Ohio States. If, however, Brunk chose another school then OSU was on to plan B


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[Uspshoosier]

I guess my thing is that for people who are expecting those blue blood results haven’t been paying attention to the last 25 years or more importantly just want to ignore them and want to automatically skip the necessary steps it is going to take to get back to those type of schools or even the steps it’s going to take to even get to that second group your mentioned.  You are correct that results speak.  The results over the last 25 years have said IU is  4th  in wins in the state of Indiana alone  and 42 overall (Wichita St, West Virginia, Iowa St, and Dayton) are the teams near IU.  44th in winning percentage (Dayton, Michigan, Iowa st, Miami, Missouri) are the teams near IU.  Regular season championships IU is 37th with 3 in 25 years (Maryland, Marquette, Georgetown, oregon, LSU) are teams tied with them at 37.  This is not the company any fan positive or negative about IU wants to be in but this is where we are.   For me personally I figured this was going be a grind and battle for Archie to reshape this broken program.  I picked IU 6th this year preseason in the B1G even with Romeo coming.  There were just too many things that had to go right in my opinion for them to contend for an upper place finish.  Lucky for IU basketball is unpredictable and never set in stone.  Oklahoma should of been worse this year losing Young and their other best players last year but they ended up going further in the tournament.  Texas Tech should of been worse this year but as we saw shattered that opinion.   Will IU be better? Don’t know but I’ve seen enough examples to give me optimism just like I’ve seen enough examples to give me pause.  I truly believe IU can and will get back in those 2 groups you were talking about I just think it’s going to take a lot longer then most on here we’re thinking and hoping for. 

[Josh]

2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Yes they looked unprepared in games this year, just like Duke looked unprepared in games this year. Duke fell behind in lots of games this year. Only difference was their talent overcame their slow starts and they would eventually take control. IU margin of error was smaller and they were not able to overcome their slow starts in some games. Is it something I hope gets fixed next year? absolutely. IU and Archie are not the only team and coach that has to deal with slow starts is all I’m saying. I watched it all year for lots of teams and coaches


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That's wonderful, but I don't care about other teams.  Our constant slow starts regardless of the opponents is my concern.  To me, it shows a lack of preparation. 

If it continues next year, Archie needs to feel a blazing hot seat.  It's unacceptable imo.

[Uspshoosier]

That's wonderful, but I don't care about other teams.  Our constant slow starts regardless of the opponents is my concern.  To me, it shows a lack of preparation. 
If it continues next year, Archie needs to feel a blazing hot seat.  It's unacceptable imo.

That’s marvelous, but I do care about other teams. All I was doing was pointing out it happens to a lot of other teams(which now I know you don’t care for). To me, it shows even hall of fame coaches can show a lack of preparation.


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[Brass Cannon]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

That’s marvelous, but I do care about other teams. All I was doing was pointing out it happens to a lot of other teams(which now I know you don’t care for). To me, it shows even hall of fame coaches can show a lack of preparation.


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Duke look completely unprepared a few times during the season. And usually by the first time out we’re back on their groove. To compare that to looking completely unprepared for 10 minutes stretches in the first halves of easily 20+ games is just not genuine. 

[Josh]

4 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

That’s marvelous, but I do care about other teams. All I was doing was pointing out it happens to a lot of other teams(which now I know you don’t care for). To me, it shows even hall of fame coaches can show a lack of preparation.


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With the consistency of us last season?  Game after game regardless of the opponent?  I do watch other teams, but I don't use the results of other teams to excuse the performance of my own.  That's what I don't care for.

I did watch quite a bit of Duke last year (it was hard to avoid lol), and I didn't see the constant slow unprepared starts that we had.

[Aeggie]

3 hours ago, Brass Cannon said:

Deron played 9 games of that 13 game stretch and Devonte played 10. And primarily the games they missed were in the smack dab middle. 

But hey don’t let facts get in the way 

Many of which include very low minutes totals as he was working his way back into shape and Archie notably mentioned that De'Ron came back too soon but hey playing 5 minutes seems to be equivalent to being available for 25 minutes so long as he "played."

Anymore cherry picked stats?

[Uspshoosier]

Duke look completely unprepared a few times during the season. And usually by the first time out we’re back on their groove. To compare that to looking completely unprepared for 10 minutes stretches in the first halves of easily 20+ games is just not genuine. 

More then a few and it wasn’t just until the first timeout they had stretches where it would take the whole first half.


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[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

More then a few and it wasn’t just until the first timeout they had stretches where it would take the whole first half.


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Even if you could name 10. That still wouldn’t change the fact that I’m not sure you can name even 10 IU games where we came out less than flat. 

[Brass Cannon]

11 minutes ago, Aeggie said:

Many of which include very low minutes totals as he was working his way back into shape and Archie notably mentioned that De'Ron came back too soon but hey playing 5 minutes seems to be equivalent to being available for 25 minutes so long as he "played."

Anymore cherry picked stats?

He played double digit minutes 13 of the last 14 games. But we should say he came back for the last 8 games to make your point less absurd mmkay. 

[Uspshoosier]

With the consistency of us last season?  Game after game regardless of the opponent?  I do watch other teams, but I don't use the results of other teams to excuse the performance of my own.  That's what I don't care for.
I did watch quite a bit of Duke last year (it was hard to avoid lol), and I didn't see the constant slow unprepared starts that we had.

I can only speak for myself but I didn’t use other teams result as an excuse for IU. I used them to show IU isn’t alone which you could care less about because your only worried about IU results. We see things differently on some things and that’s ok. This happens to be one of them. I’m unhappy as anyone about the slow starts but I watched team after team do this over year and coached by more experienced coaches then Archie. He has an off-season to look through the tape and figure out the problem and solution. If for some reason this problem continues into his next 2 years then the cycle of the last 25 years will continue and they will hire a new coach and some on here will like I’m and give him some rope and others will not.


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[Aeggie]

24 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

He played double digit minutes 13 of the last 14 games. But we should say he came back for the last 8 games to make your point less absurd mmkay. 

Only as absurd as pretending once players return the chemistry automatically comes back as soon as they do but maybe from the perspective of an armchair general it makes sense 

Double digit isn't anywhere near De'Ron's typical minutes load but suuuuure 10mpg is a meaningful line to draw and not one that just makes your bad faith argument look better lol

Edited April 14, 2019 by Aeggie