2019 General Recruiting Thread

[Hillsdale87]

20 minutes ago, mark1981 said:

 

I think/hope they will get dealt with eventually. Wade lawyered up and the school wants to fire these scum bags with cause so they dont have to pay them to leave.

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Yeah. I don't blame the schools for not firing them because they'll be liable to pay huge buyouts. If the NCAA isn't going to enforce anything, schools can't really take matters into their own hands

[Brass Cannon]

3 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Yeah. I don't blame the schools for not firing them because they'll be liable to pay huge buyouts. If the NCAA isn't going to enforce anything, schools can't really take matters into their own hands

There’s usually clauses for discovered cheating that removes the buyout. 

[Hillsdale87]

22 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

There’s usually clauses for discovered cheating that removes the buyout. 

Right, but the NCAA so far somehow has not actually implicated anybody for cheating yet. So even though there's clearly evidence that Wade was cheating, he would file for wrongful termination, and then either get some sort of settlement, or it would drag on forever, which LSU obviously wants to avoid. Even Pitino, who had 2 huge scandals in 3 years, took UL to court.

[Brass Cannon]

11 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

Right, but the NCAA so far somehow has not actually implicated anybody for cheating yet. So even though there's clearly evidence that Wade was cheating, he would file for wrongful termination, and then either get some sort of settlement, or it would drag on forever, which LSU obviously wants to avoid. Even Pitino, who had 2 huge scandals in 3 years, took UL to court.

The NCAA doesn’t have to. The schools would just need the proof which they have easier access too. 

They fire him. He sues for the money. They show the judge the proof. No money for cheating coach

[WayneFleekHoosier]

What’s cheating and what’s not appears to be different in the eyes of the fan vs the NCAA.

And then you have Indiana charging families pennies for lunches.

Does Purdue cheat? All signs point to, no, or much less than other high majors. They seem to grossly outperform their recruiting rankings each and every year.

It’s funny, when you talk to Purdue fans though, that is their biggest gripe with Painter is that they don’t win recruiting battles. Now they are winning a few.

Plain and simple, Archie Miller and Indiana should be in the tournament every year (90%). Figure it out.

I know one thing, I’m really down on the administration as evidence keeps piling up to show how they aren’t helping us succeed.




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[Hillsdale87]

1 minute ago, Brass Cannon said:

The NCAA doesn’t have to. The schools would just need the proof which they have easier access too. 

They fire him. He sues for the money. They show the judge the proof. No money for cheating coach

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think it's that straightforward. It certainly seemed like LSU wanted to fire Will Wade, and I'm guessing the relationship between Wade and the AD is pretty awkward. They're going to need to have clear proof to show that Wade was cheating. Yes, we all know that the statements on the wiretap obviously indicate that Wade was cheating, but unless they can actually prove that money was delivered, it's probably not enough to hold up in court.

[323SGrant]

What’s cheating and what’s not appears to be different in the eyes of the fan vs the NCAA.

And then you have Indiana charging families pennies for lunches.

Does Purdue cheat? All signs point to, no, or much less than other high majors. They seem to grossly outperform their recruiting rankings each and every year.

It’s funny, when you talk to Purdue fans though, that is their biggest gripe with Painter is that they don’t win recruiting battles. Now they are winning a few.

Plain and simple, Archie Miller and Indiana should be in the tournament every year (90%). Figure it out.

I know one thing, I’m really down on the administration as evidence keeps piling up to show how they aren’t helping us succeed.




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No doubt. The information that IU makes it more difficult for CTA and CAM to recruit grad transfers than other schools concerns me.


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[Brass Cannon]

9 minutes ago, Free Jurkin! said:

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think it's that straightforward. It certainly seemed like LSU wanted to fire Will Wade, and I'm guessing the relationship between Wade and the AD is pretty awkward. They're going to need to have clear proof to show that Wade was cheating. Yes, we all know that the statements on the wiretap obviously indicate that Wade was cheating, but unless they can actually prove that money was delivered, it's probably not enough to hold up in court.

There lawyers will determine if their proof is good enough to win in court but no coach in his right mind is going to even let that info get entered into evidence. 

[maharkn]

Another big one for Memphis. How is penny going to make this roster work. My count might be wrong but doesn't this signing make it 18 players on scholarship

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[ap2345]

Another big one for Memphis. How is penny going to make this roster work. My count might be wrong but doesn't this signing make it 18 players on scholarship

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They are at 13 and one of those players is Penny’s son.


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[KzooHoosier82]

57 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

They are at 13 and one of those players is Penny’s son.


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They had a full 13 man scholarship roster last year not including Jayden who is a walkon. 5 graduated and two transferred to open up 7 spots. They’ve now got 8 coming in and allegedly aren’t done (although I can’t see all his commits sticking around if he continues to take more guys). So as of today, Penny has to convince one more kid to leave just to take all the commitments he has. 

[Uspshoosier]

They had a full 13 man scholarship roster last year not including Jayden who is a walkon. 5 graduated and two transferred to open up 7 spots. They’ve now got 8 coming in and allegedly aren’t done (although I can’t see all his commits sticking around if he continues to take more guys). So as of today, Penny has to convince one more kid to leave just to take all the commitments he has. 

His son is on scholarship. He redshirted this year
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/sports/2018/09/05/penny-hardaway-jayden-hardaway-suggests-he-redshirt/1208583002/



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[WayneFleekHoosier]

So, do we pull a rabbit out of a hat and get Trendon Watford?

I wouldn’t be as shocked as some others.


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[Hollywood Mike Miranda]

6 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

So, do we pull a rabbit out of a hat and get Trendon Watford?

I wouldn’t be as shocked as some others.


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Anybody have any intel in this one at all? By all accounts, it seems extremely unlikely... has there been any kind of Crystal Ball action or anything though?

[TXHoosierDaddy]

16 minutes ago, Hollywood Mike Miranda said:

Anybody have any intel in this one at all? By all accounts, it seems extremely unlikely... has there been any kind of Crystal Ball action or anything though?

Its been heavily weighted to LSU since Wade has been back in the fold. 94% to LSU since Memphis started targeting other guys. From everything out there it seems 1) LSU 2) Bama 3) IU

[KzooHoosier82]

7 minutes ago, TXHoosierDaddy said:

Its been heavily weighted to LSU since Wade has been back in the fold. 94% to LSU since Memphis started targeting other guys. From everything out there it seems 1) LSU 2) Bama 3) IU

Someone help me understand why a kid of Watford’s caliber, and given how widely respected his family is, would rather play on a team where the coach is on tape admitting to paying kids while not getting paid than follow his brother to IU? He knows his future teammates are getting and/or had received money. He knows there’s a chance his coach could be fired before he steps on campus if the NCAA finds a way to prove it. 

Who here would take a job at a company that is known for breaking laws and shady, dealings while you know for a fact that your coworkers are getting extra benefits you won’t get because you have moral fiber? If he indeed is not coming to IU, one of two things (in my opinion) are true, he’s going to stay home and play at Alabama or he’s been bought and the Watford’s aren’t who we thought they were.

I hate to even say that but none of us would have been ok with Romeo keeping Louisville on his final list through commitment. It would have been a very bad look and Watford keeping ties with LSU at this stage is exactly that whether he chooses them or not. 

[RaceToTheTop]

I would put the over/under on the odds that Hardaway and Memphis are getting their recruits by legal means at zero.  And I'd take tge under.

[TXHoosierDaddy]

2 minutes ago, KzooHoosier82 said:

Someone help me understand why a kid of Watford’s caliber, and given how widely respected his family is, would rather play on a team where the coach is on tape admitting to paying kids while not getting paid than follow his brother to IU? He knows his future teammates are getting and/or had received money. He knows there’s a chance his coach could be fired before he steps on campus if the NCAA finds a way to prove it. 

Who here would take a job at a company that is known for breaking laws and shady, dealings while you know for a fact that your coworkers are getting extra benefits you won’t get because you have moral fiber? If he indeed is not coming to IU, one of two things (in my opinion) are true, he’s going to stay home and play at Alabama or he’s been bought and the Watford’s aren’t who we thought they were.

I hate to even say that but none of us would have been ok with Romeo keeping Louisville on his final list through commitment. It would have been a very bad look and Watford keeping ties with LSU at this stage is exactly that whether he chooses them or not. 

There's a disturbing trend with these kids waiting so long these days. Its not just the dominoes of who stays/who goes to the draft. I really think it is also the changing landscape of college bball where kids are waiting for the 'best offer and there is a lot of back and forth on that front. I completely agree who would want to play for a guy who almost just got fired and basically admitted on wiretap to being heavily involved in swinging deals. The list of Memphis, LSU, Bama...just feels dirty. 

[KzooHoosier82]

1 minute ago, brumdog45 said:

I would put the over/under on the odds that Hardaway and Memphis are getting their recruits by legal means at zero.  And I'd take tge under.

Yeah, that’s definitely a curious case. I could see the NCAA going after them to send a message to everyone else. They don’t want to bust UK, Kansas, UNC and Duke. But Memphis means nothing to them, has a record thanks to Cal and Penny is a newcomer who hasn’t paid his dues. He is primed to be made an example of. 

[TXHoosierDaddy]

2 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

I would put the over/under on the odds that Hardaway and Memphis are getting their recruits by legal means at zero.  And I'd take tge under.

Yes, he's barely been at the school already is bringing in the 1 class. Sounds a lot like Will Wade last year and we all know now how that was possible. The AD's timing on resigning was weird and we know Penny knows the AAU circle really well since he came from there. A lot of dirtiness in the air.