(2020) SG Trey Galloway To IU

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13 hours ago, Honkyman said:

Nobody is "denying, ignoring and belittling Galloway's value" that I have seen. Speaking for myself, I written many times I love the guy's heart, energy, and leadership. He was an important contributor last year. But inevitably playing time changes from year-to-year. Corrections are made to make the team better and give it a better chance of winning the close games. It is a fact that IU needs better outside shooting than it showed last season. The lack of consistent 3-point shooting was the team's greatest weakness last year. Whomever can provide consistent 3-point shooting stands a better chance of playing than those who cannot. Otherwise, IU risks having the same kind of season as last year (barely making the tournament).  That isn't belittling anyone. If Galloway shows himself to be the guy who can hit the outside shot in critical moments, then he could be playing in critical moments. If not and there are others who can hit those shots, those players will likely be on the floor more often in those critical moments.

Yes, some are. I'm not just talking in this thread or even on this site. I've seen apparently serious comments about running Galloway off for players in the transfer portal. I've seen people dredge up stats in to attempt to demonstrate Galloway is not all that valuable. 

Not everyone needs to shoot 3's well. Nor are we trying to build an all star team here. Everyone gets too caught up in 3 point shooting and recruit rankings. There's more to the game than great shooting and Galloway did almost all of those things at a high level. He's also the type of guy that makes guys better, both during games and in practice.  It bears pointing out again, that it was Galloway, when healthy, that finished games over the two primary shooters on the team last year. Hopefully other players develop to the point that we have more and better options this year. Hopefully some of the freshmen are able to contribute as well. If either of those things happen, it'll likely be in part because Galloway is pushing them in practice. One thing is for sure, if someone does end up taking minutes from Trey, they'll have to earn it because he's not going to roll over and let it happen. 

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11 hours ago, DWB said:

Agree to sentence #1, and disagree with sentence #2. 

Based on what I've read so far on this thread, the ability to hit the 3 pt shot is a pre-requisite for playing time from most of the posts. If you have 2-3 guys that can shoot the 3, I would gladly play a player that is a stellar defender AND has the ability to create and get the ball to the right shooters at the right time. He doesn't have to shoot the 3. TG was probably the 4th option to shoot last year. I don't think we need 5 guys on the floor to be able to shoot the 3 ball. 2-3 consistent shooters and 1 viable threat to shoot the 3 is plenty IMO, especially if you have any inside game at all.

If Jordy is allowed to work with the guys on the floor in practice I think you'll see some real improvement.

But for now, the coaching staff trusts TG to play his way, and to his strengths. I don't see his minutes diminishing, but his role may change somewhat with addition of other "shooters" on the team.

This is a key point and one of the major reasons Galloway's minutes are unlikely to go down. He is capable and willing to fulfill any reasonable role the coaching staff chooses for him. Whatever he is asked to do, he'll find away to do it to the best of his ability for the benefit of the team. 

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4 hours ago, hoosierbgh said:

Yes, some are. I'm not just talking in this thread or even on this site. I've seen apparently serious comments about running Galloway off for players in the transfer portal. I've seen people dredge up stats in to attempt to demonstrate Galloway is not all that valuable. 

Not everyone needs to shoot 3's well. Nor are we trying to build an all star team here. Everyone gets too caught up in 3 point shooting and recruit rankings. There's more to the game than great shooting and Galloway did almost all of those things at a high level. He's also the type of guy that makes guys better, both during games and in practice.  It bears pointing out again, that it was Galloway, when healthy, that finished games over the two primary shooters on the team last year. Hopefully other players develop to the point that we have more and better options this year. Hopefully some of the freshmen are able to contribute as well. If either of those things happen, it'll likely be in part because Galloway is pushing them in practice. One thing is for sure, if someone does end up taking minutes from Trey, they'll have to earn it because he's not going to roll over and let it happen. 

Even a team as a whole doesn't necessarily need to shoot 3's well. Wisconsin won a share of the B1G shooting 30.6% from 3. Auburn won the SEC shooting 31.8%. Baylor won a share of the B12 shooting 34.3%. Texas Tech finished 3rd in the B12 shooting 32.1%. Providence finished 2nd in the BE shooting 34%. Arkansas made an elite 8 shooting 30.6%. Miami made an elite 8 shooting 33.9%. Houston won the AAC and made an elite 8 shooting 33.8%.

Yes, 3-point shooting was IU biggest single weakness and is therefore also the area with the greatest potential for growth, but people are latching onto that as the only way to get better. Even without substantially better 3 point shooting, incremental improvements in other areas might very well be enough to get IU over the hump in a lot of games to put IU at the top of the conference and to have a decent tournament run.

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47 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

Even a team as a whole doesn't necessarily need to shoot 3's well. Wisconsin won a share of the B1G shooting 30.6% from 3. Auburn won the SEC shooting 31.8%. Baylor won a share of the B12 shooting 34.3%. Texas Tech finished 3rd in the B12 shooting 32.1%. Providence finished 2nd in the BE shooting 34%. Arkansas made an elite 8 shooting 30.6%. Miami made an elite 8 shooting 33.9%. Houston won the AAC and made an elite 8 shooting 33.8%.

Yes, 3-point shooting was IU biggest single weakness and is therefore also the area with the greatest potential for growth, but people are latching onto that as the only way to get better. Even without substantially better 3 point shooting, incremental improvements in other areas might very well be enough to get IU over the hump in a lot of games to put IU at the top of the conference and to have a decent tournament run.

we need more switchability defensively... we need more dudes that can get their own getting to the rack... we can develop shooting, I am not worried about that. 

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18 minutes ago, btownqb said:

we can develop shooting

When? Shooting, especially 3-point shooting, has been IU's greatest liability for several years. The inability to hit outside shots has cost us games. 

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6 minutes ago, Honkyman said:

When? Shooting, especially 3-point shooting, has been IU's greatest liability for several years. The inability to hit outside shots has cost us games. 

When what? 

Also.. greatest liability doesn't mean--- only weakness. 

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3 hours ago, btownqb said:

we need more switchability defensively... we need more dudes that can get their own getting to the rack... we can develop shooting, I am not worried about that. 

Yup, we need all of those things. We also need guards/wings that can play with pace and force pace when the timing is right and Galloway is arguably our best guy at that. 

Galloway, with his defense, ball handing and aggressiveness is probably our best player at creating easy baskets in transition, which is something IU really needs. 

Part of improving shooting is getting better, easier shots and Galloway helps with that with his penetration, passing and ability to push the pace. 

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6 hours ago, PB1230 said:

Even a team as a whole doesn't necessarily need to shoot 3's well. Wisconsin won a share of the B1G shooting 30.6% from 3. Auburn won the SEC shooting 31.8%. Baylor won a share of the B12 shooting 34.3%. Texas Tech finished 3rd in the B12 shooting 32.1%. Providence finished 2nd in the BE shooting 34%. Arkansas made an elite 8 shooting 30.6%. Miami made an elite 8 shooting 33.9%. Houston won the AAC and made an elite 8 shooting 33.8%.

Yes, 3-point shooting was IU biggest single weakness and is therefore also the area with the greatest potential for growth, but people are latching onto that as the only way to get better. Even without substantially better 3 point shooting, incremental improvements in other areas might very well be enough to get IU over the hump in a lot of games to put IU at the top of the conference and to have a decent tournament run.

The problem was IU shooting a low percentage combined with not shooting many threes.  If you aren't shooting many, the assumption is that they are good looks.  IU shot poorly on good looks.

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4 hours ago, BGleas said:

Yup, we need all of those things. We also need guards/wings that can play with pace and force pace when the timing is right and Galloway is arguably our best guy at that. 

Galloway, with his defense, ball handing and aggressiveness is probably our best player at creating easy baskets in transition, which is something IU really needs. 

Part of improving shooting is getting better, easier shots and Galloway helps with that with his penetration, passing and ability to push the pace. 

Yes, would add that even a bump into the low 30%s wouldn’t necessarily make him a “good” 3Pt shooter by an objective metric, but would mean defenses have to at least respect the chance he takes one that’s too easy. Which in turn should give him additional breathing room to drive.

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Defense and energy guy off the bench. If we are asking him to do more that’s no a good sign.

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Defense and energy guy off the bench. If we are asking him to do more that’s no a good sign.

Why? I realize those are what he does best but why not assume he can add to that some other assets as well.


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On 5/18/2022 at 8:30 PM, lillurk said:

Yes, would add that even a bump into the low 30%s wouldn’t necessarily make him a “good” 3Pt shooter by an objective metric, but would mean defenses have to at least respect the chance he takes one that’s too easy. Which in turn should give him additional breathing room to drive.

Teams at the end of the season were giving Galloway the Westbrook treatment and backing way off him. 

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On 5/19/2022 at 8:24 AM, Alford Bailey said:

Defense and energy guy off the bench. If we are asking him to do more that’s no a good sign.

What?  Galloway is much more than that.

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15 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Teams at the end of the season were giving Galloway the Westbrook treatment and backing way off him. 

 

Teams earlier in the season were giving X the same treatment, and he made them pay.

It may not be improved, but it can be.

 

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6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

Teams earlier in the season were giving X the same treatment, and he made them pay.

It may not be improved, but it can be.

 

Maybe. For as broken and awkward Johnson's mechanics are, Galloways are worse. Kid has a lot of work to do. Confidence alone can really help. 

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5 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Maybe. For as broken and awkward Johnson's mechanics are, Galloways are worse. Kid has a lot of work to do. Confidence alone can really help. 

Maybe his FR year. His shot looked different, and better this past year... and pre groin injury he was shooting 5-6% better.  

HIS shooting, and its importance, in regards to his ability to impact our team is wildly overstated. 

You can see how much better his shot looks at the FT line. 

Someone has done a good job with him, XJ, and RT. 

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23 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Maybe his FR year. His shot looked different, and better this past year... and pre groin injury he was shooting 5-6% better.  

HIS shooting, and its importance, in regards to his ability to impact our team is wildly overstated. 

You can literally see how much better his shot looks at the FT line. 

Some has done a good job with him, XJ, and RT. 

I have no idea if his shot will improve much, the hand/wrist injuries seem to have screwed it up.

But his impact on both ends was and will be important. His assisting was right there behind X and Rob, he moves the ball, he reads and gets tot spots, he's strong 'downhill' and ups the tempo (which should improve this year), and he's one of our best on D, the guy that gets in the head of the offensive player.

Sure, it'd be great if he improves his outside game and the D has to extend out on him, but he helps us regardless in so many ways.

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4 hours ago, HoosierHoopster said:

I have no idea if his shot will improve much, the hand/wrist injuries seem to have screwed it up.

But his impact on both ends was and will be important. His assisting was right there behind X and Rob, he moves the ball, he reads and gets tot spots, he's strong 'downhill' and ups the tempo (which should improve this year), and he's one of our best on D, the guy that gets in the head of the offensive player.

Sure, it'd be great if he improves his outside game and the D has to extend out on him, but he helps us regardless in so many ways.

Right. Can't have a team full of TGs, but having one is an assest. 

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“First team all-hell” is a good one. Happy birthday, Trey.