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Welcome Coach Miller

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WayneFleekHoosier    48,370

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Are they the ones that feel the largest disappointment?

For me personally it wasn't the gossip stuff at all. If anything the gossip stuff was way stronger for alford than Donovan.

For me it was Fred Glass' presser in its totality. He set the stage and made some huge claims I didn't think he could back away from. The gossip stuff filled the day to day but it's not what set my expectations.

It was the presser, 100%.




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Yogi's Picnic Basket    5,004

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1. You forgot several other mid majors that have done well. San Diego State has been far better than Dayton. Northern Iowa recently had a give year stretch where they had tourney success. And there are others.

2. Why can we throw the Zags off of the list? Because they are too good and Dayton doesn't measure up? That makes no sense.

3. I agree, when you throw out every mid major that has been better than Archie, he is them the best! Although you did miss a few that have better records than him. Also, Butler had a better record in the Horizon League under Todd Lickliter than Dayton has under Archie. He has a similar record to people you would never consider hiring at IU. Would you have hired Ben Jacobsen from Northern Iowa after his 7th season there? Probably not. Butler and Xavier moved up, WSU is too good. What's next? Florida Gulf Coast has better weather?

5. There are more schools to complete with in WSU's area than you named and I think yippy realize it. Iowa, Iowa St., Oklahoma/st. Etc.

In addition look at the results of people like Archie once they make it to a major conference (where it apparently isn't as tough to win). How is Smart working out for Texas? How was Lickliter at Iowa?

The point is that Archie is a gamble. Can he succeed? Absolutely, but there is no metric where he looks great... even compared to Tom Crean. I will put together a comparison of mid majors later and post it. Maybe I am way off. That's the beauty of measurables, they are unaffected by my emotions.

We are ok the same side. Those of you excited about Archie are lifting my spirits. However, when people try to whitewash his resume to make look like something it isn't, that doesn't help.

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The Zags have been a power for awhile. We all know that man. Northern Iowa has had a cpl years but not like Dayton with Archie. Butler was good in the horizon but not as good as they are now. SDSU is showing that it is very hard to be consistent in being a good mid major. They have had success yes but they only help Archie's case in him being able to only get better. Being 38 was huge for me too. I dont want another coaching search unless it is Archie taking the Lakers job lol. We should all want that. If we want him to fail do we really want 4 coaches in 20 years? We need stability more than anything. There are risk with him and it is fine to question the job he has done or can do but to compare what a guy with resources like Crean has had compared to Archie at Dayton annoys the crap out of me. Lets compare Archies IU career to Crean when it gets a few years down the road and then I will take a hard look. Till then welcome the guy and hope for the best. I know I will.

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Alford Bailey    12,384

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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:


For me personally it wasn't the gossip stuff at all. If anything the gossip stuff was way stronger for alford than Donovan.

For me it was Fred Glass' presser in its totality. He set the stage and made some huge claims I didn't think he could back away from. The gossip stuff filled the day to day but it's not what set my expectations.

It was the presser, 100%.




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Yea, the presser had me worked up. But if BD and BS were never an option........then we did fine.

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Brass Cannon    24,801

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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:


For me personally it wasn't the gossip stuff at all. If anything the gossip stuff was way stronger for alford than Donovan.

For me it was Fred Glass' presser in its totality. He set the stage and made some huge claims I didn't think he could back away from. The gossip stuff filled the day to day but it's not what set my expectations.

It was the presser, 100%.




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Glass promised us somebody who was proven. That's exactly my point. 

Miller has never built a team top 25 in both offense and defense. 

Bennett has built multiple. Could we really not lure him?  Really?? 

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Alford Bailey    12,384

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3 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Glass promised us somebody who was proven. That's exactly my point. 

Miller has never built a team top 25 in both offense and defense. 

Bennett has built multiple. Could we really not lure him?  Really?? 

Bennett wasnt a fit IMO. And I dont think he moves on to a top job. People in AH would have screamed at the top of their lungs at 45 point games.

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coonhounds    8,939

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It's a sign!  There is a great pic on #iubb  twitter from today showing a rainbow over and ending on top of The Hall. Archie has now been endorsed by God and that is good enough for me! A new era of IU basketball greatness has began!

Glad your on board rebel we need your eternal optimism that carried us through alot of the crean dark ages

 

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The Ola Depot    1,213

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According to this guy from ESPN analytics , the Greek Frank's little brother may follow Miller to IU and elgible for the 2nd semester. Kostas was a 4 star a couple years ago.
https://twitter.com/neilmjohnson https://twitter.com/neilmjohnson/status/845780573322924032

What exactly did this link say? I believe it was deleted.
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GnarlyTimGarl    1,433

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A few things I hope to see from Archie early on...

1) Hit the ground running. Player retention and completing the roster for next year will be key. Through no fault of his own, some are disappointed that he's not as big of a name as Stevens or Donovan. Getting us back in the tournament next year will be evidence we're pointed in the right direction and better off than we were with Crean. If teams like Minnesota and Northwestern made it this year, we should have enough pieces to make it next year. It will keep momentum going.

2) Establish plenty of Indiana contacts. Obviously, he needs to make the program his "own" to an extent, but make sure to include people from IU and the state. That doesn't mean he needs a bench of former Hoosiers. It just means that he can't lose the state. When that happened to Crean, his tenure was doomed. So even if these connections are never made public, make sure they exist. He'll need them. Make them exist and make those relationships strong.

3) Have a clear focus on recruiting. Don't take the shotgun approach. Find your niche and excel in it. He's right in the middle of a fertile recruiting ground, so I would he makes Indiana/Ohio/Illinois his primary base, recruiting nationally when appropriate. Piggybacking off of Point #1, a few commits from high level players in future classes will certainly build excitement as he's getting this thing off the ground.

3A) Manage the roster. The "we're young" excuse doesn't hold much weight these days. Many teams are young. Make sure to recruit some guys who will stick around for four years and maintain a consistent level of winning. (This is where the #5-#8 ranked players in Indiana come into play every year... i.e. your Nic Moore's, Bryant McIntosh's, Eron Harris', etc.)

4) Talk is cheap. Just do it. Don't try to sell the fans on stuff. They know baloney when they hear it. Don't speak in platitudes and make excuses. The proof is on the court and his coaching will be judged as such.

All in all, I'm cautiously optimistic. He's clearly a "potential" hire, as the hope is that he can really utilize the inherent advantages IU possesses and run with them. But we really need him to be ready for the big-time now. I've read he runs some motion-type of offense that uses off-the-ball screens. Good. Defense seems to be relatively stout. There isn't any reason why he can't make us what his brother has made Arizona. And 90% of IU fans would take that right now. Hopefully his recruiting can take off like that immediately.

Another note: I heard he was an assistant coach on the Team USA U-19 team? If that's true, that's key. I'd imagine there are heavy recruiting advantages that exist there.

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Magnanimous    4,603

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11 minutes ago, Treesh said:

Glass made it seem like he was going to hire Jesus, he was confident.

Glass was showing casing a grand slam on the World Series and we ended up with a double up center field.


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Too many people here are acting like those spoiled little s***s on that my super sweet 16 show who got a car for their birthday and threw a fit that it wasn't a pink corvette. Still a huge upgrade.

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FortWayneHoosier    6,128

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Glass promised us somebody who was proven. That's exactly my point. 
Miller has never built a team top 25 in both offense and defense. 
Bennett has built multiple. Could we really not lure him?  Really?? 

Here's the thing, everyone assumes coaches just want to come here. Thats not the case. Just because a job opens doesn't mean a coach is just gonna up and leave what they have built and are working on. How do we even know that Indiana even contacted him or any other of the what seems like a million coaches?


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iubb    2,558

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1 hour ago, lviucpa said:

According to this guy from ESPN analytics , the Greek Frank's little brother may follow Miller to IU and elgible for the 2nd semester. Kostas was a 4 star a couple years ago.

https://twitter.com/neilmjohnson https://twitter.com/neilmjohnson/status/845780573322924032

deleted... ANyone get a screenshot 

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