Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

[Walking Boot of Doom]

So Ryan Taylor is from Gary, IN - let's hope he grew up a Hoosier fan or stills wants to play close to home.

[Brass Cannon]

35 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

So Ryan Taylor is from Gary, IN - let's hope he grew up a Hoosier fan or stills wants to play close to home.

Yep. I wonder when he will make a decision. Hopefully before Romeo

[HoosierAloha]

Typically, I'm the type of person that goes off of the "eye test" first but I need numbers and stats to back up claims.  I decided to dig into the "height" issue a little more.  Please read until the end to see the flaws and explanation.

It's not a secret after De'Ron Davis went down we were a "short" team.  I believe the loss of Davis increased our speed from the "bigs" that helped to increase the defensive efficiency (re: KenPom).  Freddie McSwain stepped in and developed over the course of the season.

Of the Sweet 16 teams, here are the players 6'8'' or taller that played 10 or more minutes per game.  I've provided the total minutes per game of those players, as well.

Villanova (69.4 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Omari Spellman, 36 games played, 27.9 mpg, 10.6 ppg, 6'9", FR
• Eric Paschall, 34 games played, 29.7 mpg, 10.2 ppg, 6'9'', JR
• Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree 36 games played, 11.8 mpg, 3.3 ppg, 6'9'', FR

West Virginia (95.1 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Sagaba Konate, 35 games played, 25.3 mpg, 10.8 ppg, 6'8'', SO
• Esa Ahmad, 20 games played, 27.3 mpg, 10.2 ppg, 6'8'', JR
• Lamont West, 35 games played, 22 mpg, 9.5 ppg, 6'8'', SO
• Wesley Harris, 36 games played, 20.5 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 6'8'', SO

Texas Tech (50.1 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Zach Smith, 21 games played, 20.5 mpg, 6 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Tommy Hamilton IV, 35 games played, 14.5 mpg, 5.6 ppg, 6'11'', SR
• Norense Odiase, 35 games played, 15.1 mpg, 3.9 ppg, 6'9'', JR

Purdue (71.8 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Isaac Haas, 35 games played, 23.4 mpg, 14.7 ppg, 7'2'', SR
• Vincent Edwards, 34 games played, 31.4 mpg, 14.7 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Matt Haarms, 36 games played, 17 mpg, 4.8 ppg, 7'3'', FR

Kansas (72.6 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, 36 games played, 34.4 mpg, 15 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Ukoda Azubuike, 33 games played, 23.6 mpg, 13.2 ppg, 7'0'', SO
• Mitch Lightfoot, 36 games played, 14.6 mpg, 4 ppg, 6'8'', SO

Clemson (88.4 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Donte Grantham, 19 games played, 31.8 mpg, 14.2 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Elijah Thomas, 34 games played, 24.9 mpg, 10.9 ppg, 6'9'', JR
• Mark Donnal, 33 games played, 12.6 mpg, 3.6 ppg, 6'9'', SR
• David Skara, 25 games played, 19.1 mpg, 3.1 ppg, 6'8'', JR

Syracuse (123 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Oshae Brissett, 36 games played, 38.1 mpg, 14.9 ppg, 6'8'', FR
• Marek Dolezaj, 36 games played, 27.9 mpg, 5.6 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Paschal Chukwu, 36 games played, 27.2 mpg, 5.3 ppg, 7'2'', JR
• Matthew Moyer, 34 games played, 16.9 mpg, 3.3 ppg, 6'8'', JR
• Bourama Sidbibe, 29 games played, 12.5 mpg, 2.7 ppg, 6'10'', FR

Duke (86.4 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Marvin Bagley III, 31 games played, 33.4 mpg, 21.2 ppg, 6'11'', FR ($500,000)
• Wendell Carter Jr., 35 games played, 26.9 mpg, 13.6 ppg, 6'10'', FR ($100,000)
• Marques Bolden, 27 games played, 13.1 mpg, 4 ppg, 6'11'', SO ($50,000)
• Javin DeLaurier, 31 games played, 13 mpg, 3.5 ppg, 6'10'', SO

Kansas State (53.6 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Dean Wade, 32 games played, 33.6 mpg, 16.5 ppg, 6'10'', JR
• Makol Mawien, 35 games played, 20 mpg, 7.1 ppg, 6'9'', SO

Kentucky (101 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Kevin Knox, 36 games played, 32.3 mpg, 15.6 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Wenyen Garbriel, 36 games played, 23 mpg, 6.9 ppg, 6'9'', SO
• Jarred Vanderbilt, 14 games played, 17 mpg, 5.9 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Nick Richards, 36 games played, 14.9 mpg, 5.2 ppg, 6'11'', FR
• Sacha Killeya-Jones, 33 games played, 13.7 mpg, 3.4 ppg, 6'10'', SO

Loyola-Chicago (24 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Cameron Krutwig, 35 games played, 24 mpg, 10.4 ppg, 6'9'', FR

Nevada (0 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• N/A

Florida State (71.6 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Phil Cofer, 33 games played 29.3 mpg, 12.9 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Mfiondu Kabengele, 32 games played, 14.8 mpg, 7.3 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Christ Koumadje, 22 games played, 16.7 mpg, 6.9 ppg, 7'4''', JR
• Ike Obiagu, 32 games played, 10.8 mpg, 2.3 ppg, 7'0'', FR

Gonzaga (75.5 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Johnathan Williams, 36 games played, 29 mpg, 13.6 ppg, 6'9'', SR
• Killian Tillie, 36 games played, 26.2 mpg, 12.9 ppg, 6'10'', SO
• Rui Hachimura, 36 games played, 20.3 mpg, 11.4 ppg, 6'8'', SO

Michigan (66 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Moritz Wagner, 35 games played, 27.3 mpg, 14.2 ppg, 6'11'', JR
• Duncan Robinson, 37 games played, 25.9 mpg, 9.5 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Jon Teske, 37 games played, 12.8 mpg, 3.6 ppg, 7'1'', SO

Texas A&M (108 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Tyler Davis, 34 games played, 29.1 mpg, 14.6 ppg, 6'10'', JR
• DJ Hogg, 31 games played, 30.9 mpg, 11.2 ppg, 6'9'', JR
• Robert Williams, 29 games played, 25.6 mpg, 10.3 ppg, 6'10'', SO
• Tonny Trocha-Morelos, 34 games played, 22.2 mpg, 6.8 ppg, 6'10'', SR

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Indiana (48.2 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Juwan Morgan, 31 games played, 29.4 mpg, 16.5 ppg, 6'8'', JR
• De'Ron davis, 15 games played, 18.8 mpg, 9.6 ppg, 6'10'', SO

2018-2019 Indiana

• Juwan Morgan, 31 games played, 29.4 mpg, 16.5 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• De'Ron davis, 15 games played, 18.8 mpg, 9.6 ppg, 6'10'', JR
• Clifton Moore, 9 games played, 4.8 mpg, 0.7 ppg, 6'10'', SO
• Race Thompson, 6'8'', RS FR
• Jake Forrester, 6'9'', FR

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Minutes per game (most to least)

• (123) Syracuse
• (108) Texas A&M
• (101) Kentucky
• (95.1) West Virginia
• (88.4) Clemson
• (86.4) Duke
• (75.5) Gonzaga
• (72.6) Kansas
• (71.8) Purdue
• (71.6) Florida State
• (69.4) Villanova
• (66) Michigan
• (53.6) Kansas State
• (50.1) Texas Tech
• (48.2) Indiana
• (24) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

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  Is height the only variable responsible for the success of a team?  Absolutely not.  However, if we are expecting to play Morgan in the middle and Smith at the 5 for long stretches of games I believe we'll see similar results to this season.  Having Davis back healthy will help but that doesn't solve all the problems.  Race Thompson contributing 15-20 minutes could definitely help but that is still a question mark.  Moore or Forrester stepping in and providing meaningful minutes is even less likely.  My point is we need a grad transfer big that will allow Morgan to play at the 4, Smith the 4 and sometimes 3. 

 

(Flaws)

• This was minutes per game and not total minutes.  Injuries occur allowing another player to get minutes and messing with the mpg stat.

[HoosierDYT]

Great insight^. Id honestly prefer Moore transfers and we snag a grad big

[CSP]

19 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Typically, I'm the type of person that goes off of the "eye test" first but I need numbers and stats to back up claims.  I decided to dig into the "height" issue a little more.  Please read until the end to see the flaws and explanation.

It's not a secret after De'Ron Davis went down we were a "short" team.  I believe the loss of Davis increased our speed from the "bigs" that helped to increase the defensive efficiency (re: KenPom).  Freddie McSwain stepped in and developed over the course of the season.

Of the Sweet 16 teams, here are the players 6'8'' or taller that played 10 or more minutes per game.  I've provided the total minutes per game of those players, as well.

Villanova (69.4 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Omari Spellman, 36 games played, 27.9 mpg, 10.6 ppg, 6'9", FR
• Eric Paschall, 34 games played, 29.7 mpg, 10.2 ppg, 6'9'', JR
• Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree 36 games played, 11.8 mpg, 3.3 ppg, 6'9'', FR

West Virginia (95.1 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Sagaba Konate, 35 games played, 25.3 mpg, 10.8 ppg, 6'8'', SO
• Esa Ahmad, 20 games played, 27.3 mpg, 10.2 ppg, 6'8'', JR
• Lamont West, 35 games played, 22 mpg, 9.5 ppg, 6'8'', SO
• Wesley Harris, 36 games played, 20.5 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 6'8'', SO

Texas Tech (50.1 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Zach Smith, 21 games played, 20.5 mpg, 6 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Tommy Hamilton IV, 35 games played, 14.5 mpg, 5.6 ppg, 6'11'', SR
• Norense Odiase, 35 games played, 15.1 mpg, 3.9 ppg, 6'9'', JR

Purdue (71.8 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Isaac Haas, 35 games played, 23.4 mpg, 14.7 ppg, 7'2'', SR
• Vincent Edwards, 34 games played, 31.4 mpg, 14.7 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Matt Haarms, 36 games played, 17 mpg, 4.8 ppg, 7'3'', FR

Kansas (72.6 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, 36 games played, 34.4 mpg, 15 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Ukoda Azubuike, 33 games played, 23.6 mpg, 13.2 ppg, 7'0'', SO
• Mitch Lightfoot, 36 games played, 14.6 mpg, 4 ppg, 6'8'', SO

Clemson (88.4 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Donte Grantham, 19 games played, 31.8 mpg, 14.2 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Elijah Thomas, 34 games played, 24.9 mpg, 10.9 ppg, 6'9'', JR
• Mark Donnal, 33 games played, 12.6 mpg, 3.6 ppg, 6'9'', SR
• David Skara, 25 games played, 19.1 mpg, 3.1 ppg, 6'8'', JR

Syracuse (123 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Oshae Brissett, 36 games played, 38.1 mpg, 14.9 ppg, 6'8'', FR
• Marek Dolezaj, 36 games played, 27.9 mpg, 5.6 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Paschal Chukwu, 36 games played, 27.2 mpg, 5.3 ppg, 7'2'', JR
• Matthew Moyer, 34 games played, 16.9 mpg, 3.3 ppg, 6'8'', JR
• Bourama Sidbibe, 29 games played, 12.5 mpg, 2.7 ppg, 6'10'', FR

Duke (86.4 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Marvin Bagley III, 31 games played, 33.4 mpg, 21.2 ppg, 6'11'', FR ($500,000)
• Wendell Carter Jr., 35 games played, 26.9 mpg, 13.6 ppg, 6'10'', FR ($100,000)
• Marques Bolden, 27 games played, 13.1 mpg, 4 ppg, 6'11'', SO ($50,000)
• Javin DeLaurier, 31 games played, 13 mpg, 3.5 ppg, 6'10'', SO

Kansas State (53.6 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Dean Wade, 32 games played, 33.6 mpg, 16.5 ppg, 6'10'', JR
• Makol Mawien, 35 games played, 20 mpg, 7.1 ppg, 6'9'', SO

Kentucky (101 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Kevin Knox, 36 games played, 32.3 mpg, 15.6 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Wenyen Garbriel, 36 games played, 23 mpg, 6.9 ppg, 6'9'', SO
• Jarred Vanderbilt, 14 games played, 17 mpg, 5.9 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Nick Richards, 36 games played, 14.9 mpg, 5.2 ppg, 6'11'', FR
• Sacha Killeya-Jones, 33 games played, 13.7 mpg, 3.4 ppg, 6'10'', SO

Loyola-Chicago (24 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Cameron Krutwig, 35 games played, 24 mpg, 10.4 ppg, 6'9'', FR

Nevada (0 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• N/A

Florida State (71.6 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Phil Cofer, 33 games played 29.3 mpg, 12.9 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Mfiondu Kabengele, 32 games played, 14.8 mpg, 7.3 ppg, 6'9'', FR
• Christ Koumadje, 22 games played, 16.7 mpg, 6.9 ppg, 7'4''', JR
• Ike Obiagu, 32 games played, 10.8 mpg, 2.3 ppg, 7'0'', FR

Gonzaga (75.5 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Johnathan Williams, 36 games played, 29 mpg, 13.6 ppg, 6'9'', SR
• Killian Tillie, 36 games played, 26.2 mpg, 12.9 ppg, 6'10'', SO
• Rui Hachimura, 36 games played, 20.3 mpg, 11.4 ppg, 6'8'', SO

Michigan (66 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Moritz Wagner, 35 games played, 27.3 mpg, 14.2 ppg, 6'11'', JR
• Duncan Robinson, 37 games played, 25.9 mpg, 9.5 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• Jon Teske, 37 games played, 12.8 mpg, 3.6 ppg, 7'1'', SO

Texas A&M (108 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Tyler Davis, 34 games played, 29.1 mpg, 14.6 ppg, 6'10'', JR
• DJ Hogg, 31 games played, 30.9 mpg, 11.2 ppg, 6'9'', JR
• Robert Williams, 29 games played, 25.6 mpg, 10.3 ppg, 6'10'', SO
• Tonny Trocha-Morelos, 34 games played, 22.2 mpg, 6.8 ppg, 6'10'', SR

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Indiana (48.2 minutes per game by 6'9'' or taller players)

• Juwan Morgan, 31 games played, 29.4 mpg, 16.5 ppg, 6'8'', JR
• De'Ron davis, 15 games played, 18.8 mpg, 9.6 ppg, 6'10'', SO

2018-2019 Indiana

• Juwan Morgan, 31 games played, 29.4 mpg, 16.5 ppg, 6'8'', SR
• De'Ron davis, 15 games played, 18.8 mpg, 9.6 ppg, 6'10'', JR
• Clifton Moore, 9 games played, 4.8 mpg, 0.7 ppg, 6'10'', SO
• Race Thompson, 6'8'', RS FR
• Jake Forrester, 6'9'', FR

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Minutes per game (most to least)

• (123) Syracuse
• (108) Texas A&M
• (101) Kentucky
• (95.1) West Virginia
• (88.4) Clemson
• (86.4) Duke
• (75.5) Gonzaga
• (72.6) Kansas
• (71.8) Purdue
• (71.6) Florida State
• (69.4) Villanova
• (66) Michigan
• (53.6) Kansas State
• (50.1) Texas Tech
• (48.2) Indiana
• (24) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

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  Is height the only variable responsible for the success of a team?  Absolutely not.  However, if we are expecting to play Morgan in the middle and Smith at the 5 for long stretches of games I believe we'll see similar results to this season.  Having Davis back healthy will help but that doesn't solve all the problems.  Race Thompson contributing 15-20 minutes could definitely help but that is still a question mark.  Moore or Forrester stepping in and providing meaningful minutes is even less likely.  My point is we need a grad transfer big that will allow Morgan to play at the 4, Smith the 4 and sometimes 3. 

 

(Flaws)

• This was minutes per game and not total minutes.  Injuries occur allowing another player to get minutes and messing with the mpg stat.

Again.. our guards were so much worse then our post play. Archie has won a lot of games being undersized. And we won't even be undersized next year.. just not big. 

Also.. Eric Paschall is 6'6 or 6'7.. not 6'9. I'm not going to check the rest of them. 

Next year we will look like 

Juwan 6'8 30mpg 

Davis 6'10 15mpg 

Thompson 6'8 12mpg 

Smith 6'7 20mpg 

That's 67mpg and it puts us right in the middle of your stat. And you just post heights, do any of these players ever post up? I can tell you the nova players don't.. didnt see any of the Cuse players either... Duke and Purdue certainly do. Well Haas does. 

Wagner at UM rarely posts and he's 6'11. 

I do agree that we were a short team after Davis went down. But did we lose games without him because we were short or because or guard play and shooting was awful? We outrebounded MSU by 24 and lost because of our shooting. Out rebounded ILL and lost because of FTs and TOs. Duke only outrebounded us by 2 with all that height and we shot 5-21 from 3 and 16-26 from the line. 

[CSP]

11 minutes ago, schimpfj said:

Great insight^. Id honestly prefer Moore transfers and we snag a grad big

Yes

[CSP]

On 3/18/2018 at 12:14 AM, MikeRoberts said:

He had 26 rebounds against us in 2 games... he sure helped beat us


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Did you mean pts? He had 26pts and 10 rebs against us in the 2 games. 

[HoosierAloha]

7 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Again.. our guards were so much worse then our post play. Archie has won a lot of games being undersized. And we won't even be undersized next year.. just not big. 

Also.. Eric Paschall is 6'6 or 6'7.. not 6'9. I'm not going to check the rest of them. 

Next year we will look like 

Juwan 6'8 30mpg 

Davis 6'10 15mpg 

Thompson 6'8 12mpg 

Smith 6'7 20mpg 

That's 67mpg and it puts us right in the middle of your stat. And you just post heights, do any of these players ever post up? I can tell you the nova players don't.. didnt see any of the Cuse players either... Duke and Purdue certainly do. Well Haas does. 

Wagner at UM rarely posts and he's 6'11. 

I do agree that we were a short team after Davis went down. But did we lose games without him because we were short or because or guard play and shooting was awful? We outrebounded MSU by 24 and lost because of our shooting. Out rebounded ILL and lost because of FTs and TOs. Duke only outrebounded us by 2 with all that height and we shot 5-21 from 3 and 16-26 from the line. 

I went off height listed on ESPN.  Paschall was listed at 6'9'' and Morgan was listed at 6'8'', so is Morgan like 6'5'' or 6'6''?  it doesn't matter a lot.  The point was that we need to get taller, preferably with experience.  A grad transfer big could help with that. 

If we're including 6'7'' players then Nevada goes to about 180 mpg from players 6'7'' and taller.  The other teams mpg would also greatly increase as a lot have players around 6'7''. 

If we go by your projected mpg from those players we reach 57 mpg by "bigs."  That's still not enough and doesn't account for Davis coming back from an injury.  I believe Morgan can contend for Big Ten POY.  However, we need another big to allow him to do that at the 4 and not get worn down while attempting to do that at the 5. 

This wasn't an exercise to see who posted up, who got more rebounds, who played 15' and in.  It was just to simply see where the bulk of the minutes were distributed.  Guards win games in March and I agree that we need to get better in that area.  If We land the UE guard and/or Romeo we get a lot better in that area.  Green and Phinisee splitting time at the point with a splash of Durham, Romeo and/or the UE transfer taking up the bulk at the 2, and one of those players with McBob and Hunter at the 3.

The Duke game is kind of my point.  De'Ron balled out in 21 minutes of action.  Imagine if we had another big that could have given us another 20 minutes of solid play.  Our guards definitely need to shoot better, that can happen with a Romeo or Taylor addition, but we also need to get bigger. 

[CSP]

2 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I went off height listed on ESPN.  Paschall was listed at 6'9'' and Morgan was listed at 6'8'', so is Morgan like 6'5'' or 6'6''?  it doesn't matter a lot.  The point was that we need to get taller, preferably with experience.  A grad transfer big could help with that. 

If we're including 6'7'' players then Nevada goes to about 180 mpg from players 6'7'' and taller.  The other teams mpg would also greatly increase as a lot have players around 6'7''. 

If we go by your projected mpg from those players we reach 57 mpg by "bigs."  That's still not enough and doesn't account for Davis coming back from an injury.  I believe Morgan can contend for Big Ten POY.  However, we need another big to allow him to do that at the 4 and not get worn down while attempting to do that at the 5. 

This wasn't an exercise to see who posted up, who got more rebounds, who played 15' and in.  It was just to simply see where the bulk of the minutes were distributed.  Guards win games in March and I agree that we need to get better in that area.  If We land the UE guard and/or Romeo we get a lot better in that area.  Green and Phinisee splitting time at the point with a splash of Durham, Romeo and/or the UE transfer taking up the bulk at the 2, and one of those players with McBob and Hunter at the 3.

The Duke game is kind of my point.  De'Ron balled out in 21 minutes of action.  Imagine if we had another big that could have given us another 20 minutes of solid play.  Our guards definitely need to shoot better, that can happen with a Romeo or Taylor addition, but we also need to get bigger. 

As long as we get Taylor and Romeo I do hope we can get a transfer big guy. 

[HoosierAloha]

Not sure of what we're trying to prove but... if we go that route we had 18.8 mpg

 

 

[CSP]

9 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Not sure of what we're trying to prove but... if we go that route we had 18.8 mpg

 

 

That's fine with me.. I'm much more worried about our skill level. I want our best player to create the largest disadvantage for the other team possible.. most games that's with Juwan at the 5.

[TXHoosierDaddy]

1 hour ago, schimpfj said:

Great insight^. Id honestly prefer Moore transfers and we snag a grad big

We should go after this guy! Two years remaining and seems like a double double machine. Can play right away and would be sweet for AM to get him over BU. 

https://writingillini.com/2018/03/05/illinois-basketball-wyatt-walker-grad-transfer-option-illini/

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Morgan 6-7 w/length
Davis 6-10 w/bulk
Smith 6-7 w/decent length
Moore 6-10 w/good length
Thompson 6-8 w/bulk
Forrester 6-9 w/length

That's pretty decent size and length but it's extremely young and inexperienced. It's basically Morgan and question marks. I believe Smith will make a jump and be a solid rotation piece.

Will Davis be healthy?
Will Thompson, Moore, or Forrester provide any help?

I've said it plenty but I'll keep saying it: if it's Morgan and Smith as the 4 and 5 we'll struggle to make the tourney. A grad transfer big that can play the 5 and let Morgan play the 4 will help IU finish higher in the Big Ten and be a tourney team.


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Smith already made a big jump, if makes another jump he might be all big ten.

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[HoosierAloha]

Smith already made a big jump, if makes another jump he might be all big ten.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the AllBig Ten Honorable Mention category next season.


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14 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the AllBig Ten Honorable Mention category next season.


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or higher, if he continues the progression he's on. 

[HoosierAloha]

More fun with numbers (if anyone cares).  It's been interesting looking into these stats.

From teams in the Sweet 16 and... Indiana (from most to least)

Total Games played by players 6'8'' or taller

• (171) Syracuse
• (155) Kentucky
• (128) Texas A&M
• (126) West Virginia
• (124) Duke
• (119) Florida State
• (111) Clemson
• (109) Michigan
• (108) Gonzaga
• (106) Villanova
• (105) Kansas
• (105) Purdue
• (91) Texas Tech
• (67) Kansas State
• (46) Indiana
• (35) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Hey, we had more games played by 6'8'' or taller players than two mid-majors!  I guess it isn't exactly fair because we didn't play deep into the conference tourney or into the Sweet 16, so we'll add a handful more games to even that up... 51!  Still at the bottom.

 

Total minutes played by 6'8'' or taller players (most to least)

• (4292) Syracuse
• (3446) Texas A&M
• (3217) Kentucky
• (2938) West Virginia
• (2732) Duke
• (2719) Gonzaga
• (2544) Kansas
• (2498) Purdue
• (2439) Villanova
• (2387) Michigan
• (2345) Clemson
• (2154) Florida State
• (1776) Kansas State
• (1465) Texas Tech
• (1194) Indiana
• (840) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Again, only ahead of a few mid-majors.  I'll add another handful of games with Morgan playing 30 mpg, so add 150 more minutes.  That gets up to 1344.  De'Ron Davis playing the whole season at his 18.8 mpg clip would definitely help too.  That would have been another 300 minutes and put us at 1644.  We're creeping up on the bottom power 5 schools in the Sweet 16...

Minutes per game by players 6'8'' or taller (most to least)

• (122.6) Syracuse
• (107.8) Texas A&M
• (100.9) Kentucky
• (95.1) West Virginia
• (88.4) Clemson
• (86.4) Duke
• (75.5) Gonzaga
• (72.6) Kansas
• (71.8) Purdue
• (71.6) Florida State
• (69.4) Villanova
• (66) Michigan
• (53.6) Kansas State
• (50.1) Texas Tech
• (48.2) Indiana
• (24) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

You guess it, at that bottom ahead of only the lower mid-majors.  It's like we're missing a few 15-20 minutes per game players 6'8'' or taller.

 

Points per game by players 6'8'' or taller

• (42.9) Texas A&M
• (42.3) Duke
• (37.9) Gonzaga
• (37) Kentucky
• (36) West Virginia
• (34.2) Purdue
• (32.2) Kansas
• (31.8) Clemson
• (31.8) Syracuse
• (29.4) Florida State
• (27.3) Michigan
• (26.1) Indiana
• (24.1) Villanova
• (23.6) Kansas State
• (15.5) Texas Tech
• (10.4) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Booyah!!  We're moving on up but still on the lower end.  Losing De'Ron's 9.6 didn't help but having a few more scorers besides those two would help a lot.

Total points by players 6'8'' or taller

• (1373) Texas A&M
• (1365) Gonzaga
• (1349) Duke
• (1193) Kentucky
• (1186) Prudue
• (1120) Kansas
• (1120) Syracuse
• (1108) West Virginia
• (985) Michigan
• (886) Florida State
• (846) Villanova
• (835) Clemson
• (778) Kansas State
• (656) Indiana
• (458) Texas Tech
• (365) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Again, add Davis 9.6 ppg clip over the entire season and that'll add another 154 points.  That would move us ahead of Kansas State at 810 total points.

 

I compare IU to the teams in the Sweet 16 because IU should be there more often than not.  A huge hole in IU's roster is another big that can contribute minutes and some points.  It would be difficult to expect Morgan to carry IU into the Sweet 16 as the primary big.  Davis and Thompson certainly help but IU really needs that second true big to split time with Davis.

(5) Davis/grad transfer big/Morgan

(4) Morgan/Smith/Thompson

(3) McBob/Smith/Hunter

(2) Romeo or grad transfer/Durham/Green

(1) Green/Phinisee

 

Next, I'll compare IU to the top 25! (soon)

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17 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

More fun with numbers (if anyone cares).  It's been interesting looking into these stats.

From teams in the Sweet 16 and... Indiana (from most to least)

Total Games played by players 6'8'' or taller

• (171) Syracuse
• (155) Kentucky
• (128) Texas A&M
• (126) West Virginia
• (124) Duke
• (119) Florida State
• (111) Clemson
• (109) Michigan
• (108) Gonzaga
• (106) Villanova
• (105) Kansas
• (105) Purdue
• (91) Texas Tech
• (67) Kansas State
• (46) Indiana
• (35) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Hey, we had more games played by 6'8'' or taller players than two mid-majors!  I guess it isn't exactly fair because we didn't play deep into the conference tourney or into the Sweet 16, so we'll add a handful more games to even that up... 51!  Still at the bottom.

 

Total minutes played by 6'8'' or taller players (most to least)

• (4292) Syracuse
• (3446) Texas A&M
• (3217) Kentucky
• (2938) West Virginia
• (2732) Duke
• (2719) Gonzaga
• (2544) Kansas
• (2498) Purdue
• (2439) Villanova
• (2387) Michigan
• (2345) Clemson
• (2154) Florida State
• (1776) Kansas State
• (1465) Texas Tech
• (1194) Indiana
• (840) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Again, only ahead of a few mid-majors.  I'll add another handful of games with Morgan playing 30 mpg, so add 150 more minutes.  That gets up to 1344.  De'Ron Davis playing the whole season at his 18.8 mpg clip would definitely help too.  That would have been another 300 minutes and put us at 1644.  We're creeping up on the bottom power 5 schools in the Sweet 16...

Minutes per game by players 6'8'' or taller (most to least)

• (122.6) Syracuse
• (107.8) Texas A&M
• (100.9) Kentucky
• (95.1) West Virginia
• (88.4) Clemson
• (86.4) Duke
• (75.5) Gonzaga
• (72.6) Kansas
• (71.8) Purdue
• (71.6) Florida State
• (69.4) Villanova
• (66) Michigan
• (53.6) Kansas State
• (50.1) Texas Tech
• (48.2) Indiana
• (24) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

You guess it, at that bottom ahead of only the lower mid-majors.  It's like we're missing a few 15-20 minutes per game players 6'8'' or taller.

 

Points per game by players 6'8'' or taller

• (42.9) Texas A&M
• (42.3) Duke
• (37.9) Gonzaga
• (37) Kentucky
• (36) West Virginia
• (34.2) Purdue
• (32.2) Kansas
• (31.8) Clemson
• (31.8) Syracuse
• (29.4) Florida State
• (27.3) Michigan
• (26.1) Indiana
• (24.1) Villanova
• (23.6) Kansas State
• (15.5) Texas Tech
• (10.4) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Booyah!!  We're moving on up but still on the lower end.  Losing De'Ron's 9.6 didn't help but having a few more scorers besides those two would help a lot.

Total points by players 6'8'' or taller

• (1373) Texas A&M
• (1365) Gonzaga
• (1349) Duke
• (1193) Kentucky
• (1186) Prudue
• (1120) Kansas
• (1120) Syracuse
• (1108) West Virginia
• (985) Michigan
• (886) Florida State
• (846) Villanova
• (835) Clemson
• (778) Kansas State
• (656) Indiana
• (458) Texas Tech
• (365) Loyola-Chicago
• (0) Nevada

Again, add Davis 9.6 ppg clip over the entire season and that'll add another 154 points.  That would move us ahead of Kansas State at 810 total points.

 

I compare IU to the teams in the Sweet 16 because IU should be there more often than not.  A huge hole in IU's roster is another big that can contribute minutes and some points.  It would be difficult to expect Morgan to carry IU into the Sweet 16 as the primary big.  Davis and Thompson certainly help but IU really needs that second true big to split time with Davis.

(5) Davis/grad transfer big/Morgan

(4) Morgan/Smith/Thompson

(3) McBob/Smith/Hunter

(2) Romeo or grad transfer/Durham/Green

(1) Green/Phinisee

 

Next, I'll compare IU to the top 25! (soon)

Please start doing 3pt shooting percentages and turnover rate as well! 

Morgan 30

Smith 25

Taylor 20

Romeo 30

Green 25

Bench: Thompson 10, Davis 15, RP 10, Hunter 10, McRoberts 15, Durham 10

8 of our 11 that'll be 6'6 or taller. Nice to have height and that gives the actual depth we need at each position, along with... SHOOTERS.

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Morgan isn't even 6'8


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Please start doing 3pt shooting percentages and turnover rate as well! 
Morgan
Smith 
Taylor 
Romeo 
Green 
Bench: Thompson, Davis, RP, Hunter, McRoberts, Durham
8 of our 11 that'll be 6'6 or taller. Nice to have height. 

Counting 2 guys we don’t have yet?


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1 minute ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Counting 2 guys we don’t have yet?


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This whole discussion is literally about players we don't have/players we want.