Player and Recruit Retention News/Discussion & Potential Transfers

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7 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

More fun with numbers, this time with the top 25! (again these numbers come from players that played ~10 mpg or more, something of rotation players)

Total number of players 6'8'' or taller

• (4) Cincinatti
• (4) Clemson
• (4) Duke
• (4) North Carolina
• (4) West Virginia
• (4) Wichita State
• (4) Xavier
• (3) Arizona
• (3) Gonzaga
• (3) Kansas
• (3) Miami
• (3) Michigan
• (3) Purdue
• (3) Texas Tech
• (3) Villanova
• (2) Auburn
• (2) Florida
• (2) Indiana
• (2) Michigan State
• (2) Ohio State
• (2) Rhode Island
• (2) St. Mary's
• (2) Virginia
• (1) Houston
• (1) Tennessee
• (0) Nevada

Not too bad, De'Ron going out definitely hurt as we spent half of the season with just 1.  Next season, having a healthy Davis and Thompson step up would help a lot.

Total games played by players 6'8'' or taller

• (143) Cincinnati
• (137) North Carolina
• (136) Xavier
• (126) West Virginia
• (124) Duke
• (121) Wichita State
• (111) Clemson
• (109) Michigan
• (108) Gonzaga
• (106) Villanova
• (105) Kansas
• (105) Purdue
• (102) Arizona
• (91) Texas Tech
• (85) Miami
• (70) Michigan State
• (70) St. Mary's
• (68) Auburn
• (68) Virginia
• (67) Florida
• (65) Rhode Island
• (62) Ohio State
• (46) Indiana
• (34) Tennessee
• (33) Houston
• (0) Nevada

Lower end of the top 25.  Davis going out cost us 16 games but that would still put us at the lower end.  Size is an issue...

Total minutes played by 6'8'' or taller players (most to least)

• (2938) West Virginia
• (2864) North Carolina
• (2732) Duke
• (2719) Gonzaga
• (2652) Cincinatti
• (2544) Kansas
• (2498) Purdue
• (2455) Arizona
• (2439) Villanova
• (2387) Michigan
• (2374) Xavier
• (2345) Clemson
• (2241) Wichita State
• (1718) Saint Mary's
• (1602) Miami
• (1584) Florida
• (1465) Texas Tech
• (1426) Michigan State
• (1321) Auburn
• (1205) Virginia
• (1194) Indiana
• (1155) Rhode Island
• (974) Ohio State
• (690) Tennessee
• (413) Houston
• (0) Nevada

Minutes per game by players 6'8'' or taller (most to least)

• (95.1) West Virginia
• (88.4) Clemson
• (86.4) Duke
• (86.1) North Carolina
• (75.5) Gonzaga
• (74.2) Wichita State
• (74) Cincinatti
• (72.6) Kansas
• (71.8) Purdue
• (71) Arizona
• (69.8) Xavier
• (69.4) Villanova
• (66) Michigan
• (55.2) Miami
• (50.1) Texas Tech
• (49.1) Saint Mary's
• (48.2) Indiana
• (47.2) Florida
• (40.7) Michigan State
• (38.9) Auburn
• (35.6) Rhode Island
• (35.4) Virginia
• (30.8) Ohio State
• (20.3) Tennessee
• (12.5) Houston
• (0) Nevada

Not bad but that includes Davis' minutes.  We need more bigs.

Points per game by players 6'8'' or taller

• (42.3) Duke
• (39.2) North Carolina
• (37.9) Gonzaga
• (37.4) Wichita State
• (36) West Virginia
• (34.6) Arizona
• (34.2) Purdue
• (32.2) Kansas
• (31.8) Clemson
• (31.8) Xavier
• (29.9) Cincinnati
• (27.3) Michigan
• (26.4) Saint Mary's
• (26.1) Indiana
• (24.1) Villanova
• (23.3) Michigan State
• (19.7) Miami
• (15.5) Texas Tech
• (15) Rhode Island
• (14.3) Ohio State
• (13.6) Florida
• (12.2) Auburn
• (8.8) Virginia
• (5.6) Tennessee
• (4.2) Houston
• (0) Nevada

Midpack, not bad but again that include Davis' ppg that wasn't there for half of the season.  Morgan was huge this season and could be even better next season, if he's protected by another big.

Total points by players 6'8'' or taller

• (1365) Gonzaga
• (1349) Duke
• (1315) North Carolina
• (1205) Arizona
• (1186) Purdue
• (1138) Wichita State
• (1120) Kansas
• (1108) West Virginia
• (1086) Xavier
• (1073) Cincinnati
• (985) Michigan
• (924) Saint Mary's
• (846) Villanova
• (835) Clemson
• (817) Michigan State
• (656) Indiana
• (594) Miami
• (492) Rhode Island
• (458) Florida
• (458) Texas Tech
• (456) Ohio State
• (415) Auburn
• (299) Virginia
• (192) Tennessee
• (139) Houston
• (0) Nevada

Throw another 150ish for Davis production that he couldn't contribute the second half of the season.  Hopefully, Davis can return to play to the level he did last season (294ish total points) and Thompson can contribute 5 or 6 ppg.

 

I believe we need a grad transfer big that can split 30-35 minutes with Davis at the 5. 

Inserting Thompson puts us nearly midpack in all of these stats. Again.. We won't be big, we won't be small. 

[HoosierAloha 30,102]

1 hour ago, btownqb said:

Please start doing 3pt shooting percentages and turnover rate as well! 

Morgan 30

Smith 25

Taylor 20

Romeo 30

Green 25

Bench: Thompson 10, Davis 15, RP 10, Hunter 10, McRoberts 15, Durham 10

8 of our 11 that'll be 6'6 or taller. Nice to have height and that gives the actual depth we need at each position, along with... SHOOTERS.

 

17 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Why is 6'8 a magical number but we disregard anybody that's 6'6 or 6'7 makes no sense. 

Morgan, Thompson, and Davis can all play the 5. I guess you can call it a 5 in college basketball at this point. If Moore transfers then for sure pick up a grad big guy. We don't know what Forrester will look like. From what you have seen this year wouldn't you bet on Smith being the best out of himself, Green, Durham and the FR???? 

Our turnovers were pathetic, as was our guard play in general. Idc about the rate. It was awful. 

You've been nice enough to nitpick my posts this entire time but offer very little in the way of any sort of opinion whatsoever. 

I want Taylor and Romeo for the last two spots. If not one of the two.. then a combo guard that plays the exact opposite of Green (at this point). If Moore or Davis transfer I want a grad big then. Ahola wants a grad big and Romeo or Taylor. 

Would you like offer an opinion on who you want and why? Or you can just continue to gripe at me. I honestly don't care lol

You do or don't care about turnover rate?

6'8'' was some magical number I pulled out of the air for this exercise.  It was argued earlier in the thread about height and I chose 6'8'' so I could include Morgan.  If we wanted to go a little taller the numbers would look a little worse for IU.  If we wanted to go smaller to 6'6'' or 6'7'' IU would be towards the bottom of every category when compared to the top 25. 

6'8'' doesn't automatically make you a good post player.  I'd take a shorter player with a longer reach and wingspan.  However, re: IU post next season we need someone else to protect Morgan.  Freddie did a bang up job this season but he was extremely limited.  Davis is coming back from a major injury that will most likely hamper his athleticism even more.  I'm sorry but Smith won't be able to hold his own against other 5s.  Thompson will get some run but again we are severely limiting our potential if we're expecting Morgan and Smith to get more of the minutes at the 4 and 5.  I don't care if we have Romeo and the UE guard we're not going far with them in the post.  We'll need more (Moore could definitely help if he was better).

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1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

 

You do or don't care about turnover rate?

6'8'' was some magical number I pulled out of the air for this exercise.  It was argued earlier in the thread about height and I chose 6'8'' so I could include Morgan.  If we wanted to go a little taller the numbers would look a little worse for IU.  If we wanted to go smaller to 6'6'' or 6'7'' IU would be towards the bottom of every category when compared to the top 25. 

6'8'' doesn't automatically make you a good post player.  I'd take a shorter player with a longer reach and wingspan.  However, re: IU post next season we need someone else to protect Morgan.  Freddie did a bang up job this season but he was extremely limited.  Davis is coming back from a major injury that will most likely hamper his athleticism even more.  I'm sorry but Smith won't be able to hold his own against other 5s.  Thompson will get some run but again we are severely limiting our potential if we're expecting Morgan and Smith to get more of the minutes at the 4 and 5.  I don't care if we have Romeo and the UE guard we're not going far with them in the post.  We'll need more (Moore could definitely help if he was better).

Shouldn't have said turnover rate the first time. I misspoke. My apologies. 

And you're proving my point here.. you keep talking about the post... the post is irrelevant. Morgan gets some points there.. no one else needs to unless it's a cut off dribble drive or an off reb. Ball screens, dribble drive, running in transition. We don't need any more height, especially when you compare it to how much we need shooting/ball handling/depth on the wing. 

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I've said my piece. I have stated my opinion.. over and over. I'm out. 

[mdn82 26,344]

Why is 6'8 a magical number but we disregard anybody that's 6'6 or 6'7 makes no sense. 
Morgan, Thompson, and Davis can all play the 5. I guess you can call it a 5 in college basketball at this point. If Moore transfers then for sure pick up a grad big guy. We don't know what Forrester will look like. From what you have seen this year wouldn't you bet on Smith being the best out of himself, Green, Durham and the FR???? 
Our turnovers were pathetic, as was our guard play in general. Idc about the rate. It was awful. 
You've been nice enough to nitpick my posts this entire time but offer very little in the way of any sort of opinion whatsoever. 
I want Taylor and Romeo for the last two spots. If not one of the two.. then a combo guard that plays the exact opposite of Green (at this point). If Moore or Davis transfer I want a grad big then. Ahola wants a grad big and Romeo or Taylor. 
Would you like offer an opinion on who you want and why? Or you can just continue to gripe at me. I honestly don't care lol

Btown I like you and always have but man this is a weak complaint. Don’t make a strong stance when you know there will be opposing thoughts if you can’t take it. Why is it when someone responds to people anymore do they instantly think people are attacking? Are we that thin skinned on this board anymore? I fully expect people to pick apart my posts after everyone complained about the moderation on this board just a year ago. I wouldn’t complain like you did in that post and finish with “I don’t care” because obviously you do .

That said, I like Tariq Owens out of St Johns. 6’11” and 205 lbs. Getting 8 points, 5 boards, and 3 blocks per game while averaging 30 mpg. I like that length. I like his shooting percentage. Unfortunately he will end up at Maryland. They have been talking about him for a couple weeks on Maryland board. Also Archie won’t go above a 9 man rotation and I see a couple of transfers. A new coach just doesn’t come in and skate this clean. Please, nitpick that. This is kind of what this is about. It’s a good discussion and I don’t for the life of me understand taking offense to other people’s opinions, when yours is that strong. Also, we should start to see more transfers in the next week or two from other programs. Your list and mine will probably change a couple of times before anything happens.


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My hockey tournament weekend I just participated in has always been a weekend that I read about a couple transfers (historically)

Interesting things are slow on this front. I do expect 1 or 2. Thinking by this weekend we will hear some news.




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8 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Btown I like you and always have but man this is a weak complaint. Don’t make a strong stance when you know there will be opposing thoughts if you can’t take it. Why is it when someone responds to people anymore do they instantly think people are attacking? Are we that thin skinned on this board anymore? I fully expect people to pick apart my posts after everyone complained about the moderation on this board just a year ago. I wouldn’t complain like you did in that post and finish with “I don’t care” because obviously you do .

That said, I like Tariq Owens out of St Johns. 6’11” and 205 lbs. Getting 8 points, 5 boards, and 3 blocks per game while averaging 30 mpg. I like that length. I like his shooting percentage. Unfortunately he will end up at Maryland. They have been talking about him for a couple weeks on Maryland board. Also Archie won’t go above a 9 man rotation and I see a couple of transfers. A new coach just doesn’t come in and skate this clean. Please, nitpick that. This is kind of what this is about. It’s a good discussion and I don’t for the life of me understand taking offense to other people’s opinions, when yours is that strong. Also, we should start to see more transfers in the next week or two from other programs. Your list and mine will probably change a couple of times before anything happens.


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There's just no sense in nitpicking someone's posts constantly if you never offer an opinion yourself. Pretty much defeats the purpose of a discussion. So you want size.. that guy certainly has some size to him. I'd be about the last person that would be catergoized as thin skinned. I never said you were attacking me. 

[mdn82 26,344]

My hockey tournament weekend I just participated in has always been a weekend that I read about a couple transfers (historically)

 

Interesting things are slow on this front. I do expect 1 or 2. Thinking by this weekend we will hear some news.

 

 

 

 

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Agreed. I would be shocked if he skated clean. Crean would go 10+ deep. Archie will never do that. I anticipate a couple of players haven’t got what they think they deserve. The success from now and until next season will be measured by if we get Romeo. The grad transfer thing is just improving his surroundings. Hopefully we can. We need a lot and it will balance out classes.

 

 

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[mdn82 26,344]

There's just no sense in nitpicking someone's posts constantly if you never offer an opinion yourself. Pretty much defeats the purpose of a discussion. So you want size.. that guy certainly has some size to him. I'd be about the last person that would be catergoized as thin skinned. I never said you were attacking me. 

I have told you what I wanted. You didn’t like that and repeatedly said so. Only about half of the transfers are known. How can I name a player that may not be there yet? I can describe a type of player I want which I have a number of times and again you didn’t like that. My opinion was as descriptive as yours man. It’s ok if we don’t agree on this. Don’t take it so personally.


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14 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

I have told you what I wanted. You didn’t like that and repeatedly said so. Only about half of the transfers are known. How can I name a player that may not be there yet? I can describe a type of player I want which I have a number of times and again you didn’t like that. My opinion was as descriptive as yours man. It’s ok if we don’t agree on this. Don’t take it so personally.


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Again.. I didn't take it personally. Until your last post I never saw you state you wanted a big guy. Truly have no clue where you're coming with any of this. You can pretend I'm upset when I'm not, I guess. 

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Judging by Archie's recruitment strategy he's rather satisfied with out big rotation next year. 

Definitely looks to be trying to improve perimeter shooting. 

Im gonna have faith and I'm gonna expect next year to be a little rocky regardless of getting Romeo or not. 

[mdn82 26,344]

Again.. I didn't take it personally. Until your last post I never saw you state you wanted a big guy. Truly have no clue where you're coming with any of this. You can pretend I'm upset when I'm not, I guess. 

Then why did you keep responding to my requests for a big with some variation of “we don’t need a big, we need guards. Did you watch our guard play?” I am guessing you had an inking I wanted a guard for the many responses that stated that and proceeded to tell me how many times our guards turned the ball over and how bad their shot was. You may want to go back and read some of what started our discussion if memory is telling you that.


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[mdn82 26,344]

Judging by Archie's recruitment strategy he's rather satisfied with out big rotation next year. 
Definitely looks to be trying to improve perimeter shooting. 
Im gonna have faith and I'm gonna expect next year to be a little rocky regardless of getting Romeo or not. 

Oh absolutely. He needs to improve our perimeter play. It was bad. Romeo is priority 1a, 1b, and 1c. But we were discussing the possibilities of transfers and where we would go beyond 1 or 2 schollies after Romeo. After Romeo I would like something on the interior. We have plenty of young developmental interior players. A grad transfer would be awesome. Btown wanted multiple guards and was as adamant as he usually is about things. Aloha and I disagreed with him and apparently he doesn’t remember any of the discussions I had with him. So there is that. But yeah. Romeo first and then see where we are with transfers. If we don’t get Romeo we still need a guard for sure.


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9 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Oh absolutely. He needs to improve our perimeter play. It was bad. Romeo is priority 1a, 1b, and 1c. But we were discussing the possibilities of transfers and where we would go beyond 1 or 2 schollies after Romeo. After Romeo I would like something on the interior. We have plenty of young developmental interior players. A grad transfer would be awesome. Btown wanted multiple guards and was as adamant as he usually is about things. Aloha and I disagreed with him and apparently he doesn’t remember any of the discussions I had with him. So there is that. But yeah. Romeo first and then see where we are with transfers. If we don’t get Romeo we still need a guard for sure.


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Yeah I am just saying judging by his recruiting Archie disagrees with you. 

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14 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Oh absolutely. He needs to improve our perimeter play. It was bad. Romeo is priority 1a, 1b, and 1c. But we were discussing the possibilities of transfers and where we would go beyond 1 or 2 schollies after Romeo. After Romeo I would like something on the interior. We have plenty of young developmental interior players. A grad transfer would be awesome. Btown wanted multiple guards and was as adamant as he usually is about things. Aloha and I disagreed with him and apparently he doesn’t remember any of the discussions I had with him. So there is that. But yeah. Romeo first and then see where we are with transfers. If we don’t get Romeo we still need a guard for sure.


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Well I will tell you that Romeo is option 1, Ryan Taylor is option 2, another guard grad transfer is option 3, a juco guard is option 4, then a big man grad transfer is next. Now we might use two scholarships on guards & if another one opens up then get a big guy. Or we might go Romeo & big. But Ryan Taylor is someone they want bad

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46 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

Well I will tell you that Romeo is option 1, Ryan Taylor is option 2, another guard grad transfer is option 3, a juco guard is option 4, then a big man grad transfer is next. Now we might use two scholarships on guards & if another one opens up then get a big guy. Or we might go Romeo & big. But Ryan Taylor is someone they want bad

Is anyone getting a read on Taylor's interest (to anywhere)?

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3 minutes ago, mamasa said:

Is anyone getting a read on Taylor's interest (to anywhere)?

Not that I know of but we have very high interest

[yogisballin 2,426]

Can we go after Omer Yurtseven?


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3 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

Can we go after Omer Yurtseven?


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Is he a confirmed grad transfer and thus immediately eligible?  I've seen the news of his leaving NC St., but haven't seen anything about remaining eligibility.  

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8 minutes ago, yogisballin said:

Can we go after Omer Yurtseven?


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I don't know this guy from Adam, but I read that he went through the NBA Draft combine after last season and was projected as a late first or early second round pick.  Surely, his stock is up from last year to where he is a lock first rounder, right?  If so, not sure why he wouldn't go pro.