TOM CREAN FIRED

[recker222000 1,010]

Biancardi was the same way last night. Even went as far as to imply next year's team could be a Sweet Sixteen team. These guys on the outside have no idea what's going on.

Lol.

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[Double Down 324]

Let's break down the Alford thing.  

Sans Brad Stevens or Billy Donovan, you have a bunch of names that you look to that have unknowns.  NOW, perhaps, one of these guys has the potential to be a legend.  We don't know.  But the way I see it, it is all about what we assume is the potential "upside" of each name.  

So, Miller 1 and Miller 2, Marshall, Collins, Bennett....and Alford.  

I don't want to break each person down individually, but the prior 4 candidates are all "up and coming."  They're all succeeding and are in an upward trajectory for the most part.  So, it is fair to think, "Wow, with Indiana's in state talent, facilities, budget, fanbase, this person could really do something special."

With Alford, we have a guy who has a looooong coaching track record that goes back to 1991.  It's up and down.  At Iowa, he was there for 8 years, never made it out of the 2nd round and only finished above .500 in conference 3 times.  He was .477 in the B1G.  Not good.  But, he turns it around at New Mexico in a lower conference.  At UCLA, he's had a mixed record.  

Alford is more of Tom Crean.  A pretty good coach that can show flashes here and there.  But never able to make the consistent progress a top level program that competes for championships needs to have.  I'd rather risk a chance on the up-and-comers with more unknowns, but more potential upside, than a guy that has been around for over a quarter-century without a single visit to the Final Four or beyond.  

[BGleas 8,089]

Any guesses on where Cuonzo bolts for 2 years from now? Has he ever been through a full recruiting cycle? 

[Hoosier Guy 7,791]

Just now, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Cal's open!! Think of the tan Crean could get coaching there. 

And the women, weed and weather. Damn I could go for some ganja right now

[Capt. Crimson 3,617]

 
Naw..home run...they are both hearing that "he gone".

Ok... was hoping that but that video is of a strikeout. Haha


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[TrueHoosier62 1,632]

13 minutes ago, Fkfootball1 said:

Crean is a turd that wont flush. Hardest guy I've ever seen to get rid of.

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Crean, the floater.

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

14 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

I go back and forth on Alford.  Sometimes I feel I'd rather keep Crean, then I watch the game and suddenly Alford starts sounding better.

Doubt Alford would abandon ship at this point.. He's coaching a blueblood and has an annuity of "Ball's" coming his way over the next several years.

A lot of people saying, "I'd take him," or "___ would be good," but the reality is, it's not easy to pry a good coach from a winning team away from a situation where he knows the obstacles, is getting paid well, and winning games. At IU, you'd be dropping him into an unknown situation with new obstacles, and a bunch of question marks. Can we pay you? Yes. Are the facilities top notch? Yes. But that's not everything to everyone.... I think we all better start facing the fact that Crean is going to be here for at least another season.   

[recker222000 1,010]

Imagine how toxic it'd be if Crean was extended, that is if people don't just tune out at that point.

It is either time for fred to fire him or time for fred to step aside. If he is not willing to to make the tough decision he should not be an AD. Its not our job to find crean a soft landing. An extension would only lead to an incredibly toxic situation.

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[Chris Nieman 669]

2 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

And the women, weed and weather. Damn I could go for some ganja right now

The only good things about California. While i lived there i felt like it was equal parts amazing and nightmare.

[recker222000 1,010]

Imagine how toxic it'd be if Crean was extended, that is if people don't just tune out at that point.

Beyond toxic.

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[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Let's break down the Alford thing.  
Sans Brad Stevens or Billy Donovan, you have a bunch of names that you look to that have unknowns.  NOW, perhaps, one of these guys has the potential to be a legend.  We don't know.  But the way I see it, it is all about what we assume is the potential "upside" of each name.  
So, Miller 1 and Miller 2, Marshall, Collins, Bennett....and Alford.  
I don't want to break each person down individually, but the prior 4 candidates are all "up and coming."  They're all succeeding and are in an upward trajectory for the most part.  So, it is fair to think, "Wow, with Indiana's in state talent, facilities, budget, fanbase, this person could really do something special."
With Alford, we have a guy who has a looooong coaching track record that goes back to 1991.  It's up and down.  At Iowa, he was there for 8 years, never made it out of the 2nd round and only finished above .500 in conference 3 times.  He was .477 in the B1G.  Not good.  But, he turns it around at New Mexico in a lower conference.  At UCLA, he's had a mixed record.  
Alford is more of Tom Crean.  A pretty good coach that can show flashes here and there.  But never able to make the consistent progress a top level program that competes for championships needs to have.  I'd rather risk a chance on the up-and-comers with more unknowns, but more potential upside, than a guy that has been around for over a quarter-century without a single visit to the Final Four or beyond.  

Oh thank god. Another level headed poster has picked up the argument against Alford. Preach, my friend.


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[Stuhoo 84,408]

3 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

I think we all better start facing the fact that Crean is going to be here for at least another season.   

 

Hell no... It would be too much to bear were I to face it, and it also is not likely true!

[ap2345 9,610]

6 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

Doubt Alford would abandon ship at this point.. He's coaching a blueblood and has an annuity of "Ball's" coming his way over the next several years.

A lot of people saying, "I'd take him," or "___ would be good," but the reality is, it's not easy to pry a good coach from a winning team away from a situation where he knows the obstacles, is getting paid well, and winning games. At IU, you'd be dropping him into an unknown situation with new obstacles, and a bunch of question marks. Can we pay you? Yes. Are the facilities top notch? Yes. But that's not everything to everyone.... I think we all better start facing the fact that Crean is going to be here for at least another season.   

I personally think Alford wants to come home. I also think that is the reason that Dakich always mentions his name when he talks about the possibility of replacing Crean.

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

 

Hell no... It would be too much to bear were I to face it, and it also is not likely true!

I hope you're right... But everything I'm seeing and hearing other than the fact that Crean seems to think he'll be around next season, is a rumor. Some already shot down (IE the "Missouri will be the 'soft-landing' spot for Crean" stuff.)

[coonhounds 9,852]

Fred the suicide mission you sent our guys on last night was a success! Yes we looked like clowns but assembly hall still looks ok thanks to you lol. Please end this now for the love of god

 

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[8bucks 6,833]

Doubt Alford would abandon ship at this point.. He's coaching a blueblood and has an annuity of "Ball's" coming his way over the next several years.
A lot of people saying, "I'd take him," or "___ would be good," but the reality is, it's not easy to pry a good coach from a winning team away from a situation where he knows the obstacles, is getting paid well, and winning games. At IU, you'd be dropping him into an unknown situation with new obstacles, and a bunch of question marks. Can we pay you? Yes. Are the facilities top notch? Yes. But that's not everything to everyone.... I think we all better start facing the fact that Crean is going to be here for at least another season.   

Seems according to a few people Alford reached out first

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

2 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

I personally think Alford wants to come home. I also think that is the reason that Dakich always mentions his name when he talks about the possibility of replacing Crean.

Alford has a top 5 team, is coaching the most storied program in college basketball history in terms of championships, and is in LA. I'd gladly welcome him home, but damn, it seems like it would be hard for him to leave right now.

[Walking Boot of Doom 18,170]

Oh thank god. Another level headed poster has picked up the argument against Alford. Preach, my friend.


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Honestly, beyond the fact that I dislike Alford's track record which includes both mild success similar to Crean's and an inexcusable moral blemish, I am convinced he would be given a much longer leash as the hometown hero if he underperformed as coach. Boosters seem hesitant to make a rash discussion firing Crean, and rightfully so, because instability is never good for a program. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to convince enough boosters to move on from Alford if he had success similar to what he has achieved in the past.


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[Stuhoo 84,408]

3 minutes ago, Baltimore Hoosier said:

I hope you're right... But everything I'm seeing and hearing other than the fact that Crean seems to think he'll be around next season, is a rumor. Some already shot down (IE the "Missouri will be the 'soft-landing' spot for Crean" stuff.)

 

Everything is a rumor until it happens in these scenarios, including the rumor that he wants to stay. I see a lot more information trending toward he gone-erooski.

 

 

[Baltimore Hoosier 986]

1 minute ago, 8bucks said:

Seems according to a few people Alford reached out first

Its all rumors.. Just like all the other rumors swirling around out there.