Jeremy Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 I personally think Indiana needs a coach who is good at x and o's and not just a good recruiter.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app IUrocker, Tom White and ALASKA HOOSIER 3 Quote
mdn82 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 The BIG isn't the MWC. And how far did he go in the tourney with those teams?Not far.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave and Emberton 2 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 21 years isn't enough data?Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appGotta compare apples to apples. UCLA is the corollary. He did well at New Mexico ( you honestly can't expect those teams to go far in March with those resources-let's be real). Iowa wasn't great but it's Iowa. They are what they are. He had some good years at Iowa relative to their standards. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Love the logic... Crean has never had success in the tournament in 19 years coaching at Marquette or Indiana. But Alford! He just hasn't been given the right resources in 21 years coaching in the B1G, MWC, and at blueblood UCLA. At UCLA so far, went to the Sweet Sixteen twice and then completely missed the tournament. Talk about inconsistency. Reminds me of another coach at a blueblood school...Crean only succeeded last year because of Yogi. Well... Alford's current PG happens to be a projected top NBA draft pick and one of the most talented PGs in college basketball. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave, CR3AMnCR1MS0N and RedsIUfan 3 Quote
recker222000 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 im not convinced crean is gone yet so ill worry about the next coach after a press conference happens.Yep. Tonight is the biggest game of creans iu tenure. A win means he still has a major shot at keeping his job.Sent from my SM-J700T using Tapatalk Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 He is in his 4th year and they may be the best team in the country. Next year's recruiting says that might continue. He made 2 other sweet sixteens. Yes he had 1 bad year. My guess is that isn't the trend. Sent from my iPad using BtownBanners Quote
mdn82 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Gotta compare apples to apples. UCLA is the corollary. He did well at New Mexico ( you honestly can't expect those teams to go far in March with those resources-let's be real). Iowa wasn't great but it's Iowa. They are what they are. He had some good years at Iowa relative to their standards. Sent from my iPad using BtownBannersI would hope any coach we hire at IU would have had success prior to his arrival. Crean is horrible right? He fell into a Final Four at Marquette. Alford can't even hit Elite 8. Why would he be a justifiable candidate head coach at IU after 21 years of coaching?Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave 1 Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 He is in his 4th year and they may be the best team in the country. Next year's recruiting says that might continue. He made 2 other sweet sixteens. Yes he had 1 bad year. My guess is that isn't the trend. Sent from my iPad using BtownBannersI just don't get how you look at 21 years where he missed the tourney 12 times and say he's not inconsistent Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app thebigweave 1 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 I just don't get how you look at 21 years where he missed the tourney 12 times and say he's not inconsistent Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appBecause IOWA is a crap job. Making the NCAA at Iowa is a great success. Almost like making the elite 8 at IU or UCLA. He was good/great at UCLA and New Mexico. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Schreckbagger 1 Quote
Walking Boot of Doom Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Because IOWA is a crap job. Making the NCAA at Iowa is a great success. Almost like making the elite 8 at IU or UCLA. He was good/great at UCLA and New Mexico. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersWhat was Marquette?Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 What was Marquette?Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile appHigher in the hierarchy of jobs within its own conference than Iowa in regards to prestige and resources. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
mdn82 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Because IOWA is a crap job. Making the NCAA at Iowa is a great success. Almost like making the elite 8 at IU or UCLA. He was good/great at UCLA and New Mexico. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersI don't know if I would call what he has done at UCLA good/great. Maybe where our difference is. I see a coach hanging by a thread up til this season and needing to do something in the tournament. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Quote
mdn82 Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Higher in the hierarchy of jobs within its own conference than Iowa in regards to prestige and resources. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersNot when he took it over. They were awful.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Walking Boot of Doom and thebigweave 2 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Iowa is in the lower 2/3rds. Hard to win from there. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
Uspshoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Gotta compare apples to apples. UCLA is the corollary. He did well at New Mexico ( you honestly can't expect those teams to go far in March with those resources-let's be real). Iowa wasn't great but it's Iowa. They are what they are. He had some good years at Iowa relative to their standards. Sent from my iPad using BtownBannersEven if one of his New Mexico st teams was a 3 seed and lost to Harvard? I honestly expected them to beat Harvard that year and actually had them going pretty far. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 His stats everywhere else besides Iowa were really good. Including his stops before Iowa. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
IUrocker Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 When players are hitting their shots it makes Crean's teams look great. When the shots aren't falling and he has no Plan B against the team we are playing against, our flaws are exposed and get screwed because he usually doesn't make adjustments. Wisconsin is a team more than capable of exposing those flaws. If the we are hot shooting the ball again tonight and we win, I don't see that as making Crean a good coach who should stay. He has nothing to do really with the player's shots going in. Wisconsin is gonna present us with better perimeter defense than what Iowa did, so I don't see us shooting as well, but IF we do, it's not gonna be a matter of "holy cow, Crean can coach, we better keep him!". If we don't hit our shots it truly shows where he lacks as a coach. cljones1979 1 Quote
WayneFleekHoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Even if one of his New Mexico st teams was a 3 seed and lost to Harvard? I honestly expected them to beat Harvard that year and actually had them going pretty far. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersThat kind of proves his point though. New Mexico as a 3 seed. That doesn't happen much at New Mexico. 2 mid majors battling it out in the 3/14 game. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Tom White 1 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 Because IOWA is a crap job. Making the NCAA at Iowa is a great success. Almost like making the elite 8 at IU or UCLA. He was good/great at UCLA and New Mexico. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersiowa was a really good program in the 80's with tom Davis. Marble, bj Armstrong. The elite 8 game against unlv was really good. I have it on tape from my 87 tournament VHS ( kids VHS is like dvds today. Lol). Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners HoosierAloha, thebigweave, mdn82 and 1 other 4 Quote
Uspshoosier Posted March 10, 2017 Posted March 10, 2017 That kind of proves his point though. New Mexico as a 3 seed. That doesn't happen much at New Mexico. 2 mid majors battling it out in the 3/14 game. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBannersA mid major with a pro on it? Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners Quote
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