TOM CREAN FIRED

[mdn82]

He didn't coach after the 12th game of the season. They were 9-3 at that time.

Look at who they played.  He wasn't coaching too much during that season to begin with.  His October surgery left him with chronic pain that would keep him up days on end.  He actually tried resigning, but Tom Butters talked him into taking a leave.  He still addressed his players and coaches after his leave.  9-3 yes.  But, that is like saying we went 9-3 with our pre-conference.  Would you have been impressed with that?  Would you have been impressed by beating up on Brown, Northeastern, or the other preseason scrubs?  They played 3 ranked teams and won 1.  That was like us beating Notre Dame.  Not really impressive. 

 

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/mens-basketball/article9252488.html

[KB0]

Look at who they played.  He wasn't coaching too much during that season to begin with.  His October surgery left him with chronic pain that would keep him up days on end.  He actually tried resigning, but Tom Butters talked him into taking a leave.  He still addressed his players and coaches after his leave.  9-3 yes.  But, that is like saying we went 9-3 with our pre-conference.  Would you have been impressed with that?  Would you have been impressed by beating up on Brown, Northeastern, or the other preseason scrubs?  They played 3 ranked teams and won 1.  That was like us beating Notre Dame.  Not really impressive. 

 

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/mens-basketball/article9252488.html

 

You're arguing that Duke missing the tournament is on him, but then say he barely coached that season. Can't have it both ways. IMO you can't count that against him. Clearly you feel opposite. Not going to debate it anymore and take this thread even more OT.

[mdn82]

Yet he's had far more time than Davis to get it together.

If you flip Davis and Crean's tenure after Knights it would be the same discussion with a different name.

[mdn82]

You're arguing that Duke missing the tournament is on him, but then say he barely coached that season. Can't have it both ways. IMO you can't count that against him. Clearly you feel opposite. Not going to debate it anymore and take this thread even more OT.

Its his team. If Duke makes the tournament that year we would be saying how K has led them to 30 straight. He hasn't. You said he hasn't missed the tournament since his 3rd year which is not true.

[KB0]

Its his team. If Duke makes the tournament that year we would be saying how K has led them to 30 straight. He hasn't. You said he hasn't missed the tournament since his 3rd year which is not true.

 

*Excluding the season that doesn't count against his record because he left the team due to back surgery, Coach K has not missed a tournament since his 3rd year at Duke. That's true. 

[mdn82]

Fire Tom Crean lol. Now it's back on topic.

[coonhounds]

Ready to see what crean puts on the floor Sunday. Last night was a fun win but better get the minds ready for a tough battle on Sunday for sure

[Feathery]

Great win lastnight vs Iowa. Still doesn't change my opinion on Crean though. I wanted him gone after last season and feel he needs to accomplish plush something this season. Win the conference (doesn't even need to be outright), win the conference tournament, make a final four, or win a national championship. If he can do any of that, I will be on board with keeping him around.

If Crean can win something, then I can't see Glass making a move. Stevens is doing well and isn't coming. He has been my hope for a few years now. There are some quality coaches out there to be had, but would they really be better than Crean?

My standard is conference success bc the NCAAs can be a crap shoot. Guys like Archie Miller haven't shown they can win or stay in the hunt of their conferences on a yearly basis. There are only a handful of coaches out there that have done that. When I see their names floated around (Marshall, Bryce Drew, etc) people usually start tearing them apart. Stevens is the only guy who would unite the fanbase if a change were made. Crean could unite the fanbase if he hangs a national title. Sadly, I don't think either is happening in the near future.

[hoosierpap]

I like Archie.

[Defenserocks28]

6-1 vs Top 5 at home
Most top 25 wins in last few years in CBB.

Question for all you Crean haters; if we were to win a Natty or go to Final Four- would anybody here still want him gone? (Say no)

Maybe we should all start PMing you after every loss.  Your inbox will fill quickly.  And yes, he should be gone.  Crean has never been consistently good in over 15 years of coaching.  Unless of course, you consider being ranked in the Top 25, for what, a grand total of like 10 weeks in the past three years, good.  

[8bucks]

*Excluding the season that doesn't count against his record because he left the team due to back surgery, Coach K has not missed a tournament since his 3rd year at Duke. That's true.

Ironically I think that season shows even at Duke you have to have coaching. Without K, they miss the tourney. With him they have not missed it.

[X-Hoosier]

Personally I don't see any reason why we can't be where Kansas is. We don't have to win the Big 12 every year. But the last time they won less than 24 games was under Roy Williams in 98-99. The last time they missed the NCAA was 10 years before that in Roy's first year in 88-89. They were on probation from the Larry Brown years. The last time they missed a tourney in an eligible year was the 82-83 season under Ted Owens. I don't think that bar is too high to set. Whatever happens in the tourney happens. It is a win or go home tourney. Best team doesn't always win. And shouldn't be the end all be all of discussion. Tourney wine are just icing on the cake. Same with the B1G which I personally find conference tourneys to be a complete joke. I just want this program to be consistently great. And I don't think that is asking too much.

[Yogi'sBicep]

No, not trolling at all. Seriously, if he were to win NC or FF here this year- would you still want him gone?

[Brass Cannon]

No, not trolling at all. Seriously, if he were to win NC or FF here this year- would you still want him gone?

Yep. Couldn't fire him but if Mark Cuban were to give him a job I wouldn't be sad

[Yogi'sBicep]

I bought that the option of having him fired wouldn't be me trolling. Not trying to ruffle feathers, it's an honest question.

[Yogi'sBicep]

I would pose the question that if he were to lose in the 1st or 2nd Rd again would you still want him around? (Say no)

Which is more likely to happen?

no I wouldn't! Definitely not!

[Yogi'sBicep]

This is getting old.

real question, get over it

[Walking Boot of Doom]

Anyone who wants to fire a coach after winning a NC is as irrational as anyone who would want to extend Crean after this season. I can't understand either side.

What I do know, is that Crean is coaching his best ball I've ever seen from him. Maybe the Kentucky games in 2011-2012 were his best single game performances, but this season has been his best coaching, IMO.

There's just nothing to do except to enjoy the fact that INDIANA IS FIRST IN THE B1G. Crean and Co. are fighting to give the fans what they want, starting with a B1G Title.

Enjoy the ride, gang.

[HoosierAloha]

I know what you're saying, Brass. Under coach Knight, "most years" we had a fighting chance. It didn't mean we thought we'd actually win it all, but we felt we had a fighter's chance. We knew we had the best tactical coach on the planet, and that he'd have the team mentally prepared for almost anything. His teams were fundamentally sound, and knew exactly what they were supposed to do. We won three championships under Knight, and with a break here or there, it could easily have been five. Under Crean, even when he appears to have some nice bits to the puzzle, his teams are still lacking in so many areas as to render them virtually incapable of winning it all. And when you factor in Crean's game day qualities, (he's an abysmal tactician), it leaves most of us convinced that any number of other coaches would get us closer to the prize.

 

I asked pap this in chat during the game last night.  Does it feel like Crean teams have parts that try to do more than what they're capable of, more so than under other coaches?  What I mean by this is, trying to get Bryant out top to drive rather than him just posting up, Troy is money along the baseline and getting put backs, etc.  I honestly don't see this, to the extent it happens here, at other programs.  I would love to see a season where players play to their strengths the entire season and use the offseason to build to their game.  It just doesn't feel like players have defined roles under Crean.

[Uwe Robb]

I asked pap this in chat during the game last night.  Does it feel like Crean teams have parts that try to do more than what they're capable of, more so than under other coaches?  What I mean by this is, trying to get Bryant out top to drive rather than him just posting up, Troy is money along the baseline and getting put backs, etc.  I honestly don't see this, to the extent it happens here, at other programs.  I would love to see a season where players play to their strengths the entire season and use the offseason to build to their game.  It just doesn't feel like players have defined roles under Crean.

I understand what you are saying. I do see that with TB. Luckily he has stopped attempting 3's like he was in non-conference schedule.

 

It also feels like he is trying to turn Troy and/or Colin into a poor man's Denzel Valentine. At some point throughout the year he has had those two bringing the ball up the court and initiating our offense. Why on God's green earth would you do this when you have a top 20 finalist for the Wooden award at PG on your team?